Shikai Kenpachi vs Chrysalis aizen

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Win conditions: Death or Ko

Knowledge: None

Mindset: In character

Restrictions: Complete Hypnosis

Starting Distance: 100 metres

Location: FKT

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At this level, i with Zaraki. he would be able to KO Aizen who is in this form. Considering the amount of power he has in his shikai. But if this was Aizen in his post chrysalis form, he was reaching his transcendent power from thereon.

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Aizen rape stomps. He was virtually unkillable at that point was effectively immortal. He tanked 90s level kildo, and shrugged off Yourichi's Raioken and Urahara's Jutzu su nag, which was considerably more powerful than then a hadou no 90 from uruhara himself. Isshin fired a GT infused slash in aizen's face at point blank and and walked away with nothing but a small cavity in his face. Moreover, Aizen while holding back massively. When he got serious, he easily one shotted the three of them.

They all used high level attacks. Uruhara and isshin used attacks arguebly comparable or above with a hadou in the 90's and that's all they did to his shell. There is also the fact that a Aizen's reiatsu is alot higher then shikai Kenpachi's . In compairison to isshin and uruhara level opponents aizen's reiatsu is so high that it cannot be felt. Shikai yamamoto's reiatsu can be felt by anyone.

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#5  Edited By LokLegends

Aizen for the majority. His insane speed in comnination to the Hogyoku would give hime the advantage here and would ultimately take this fight. The Hogyoku would just heal and adapt to anything Kenpachi throws at him

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I am leaning towards Aizen.

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Aizen rapes. This is a huge mismatch. Aizen can't be beaten by ordinary shinigami without prep. Only transcended beings can rival Aizen like FGT Ichigo and Yhwach

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If Aizen wasn't immortal, this would be incredibly close.

Aizen rapes. This is a huge mismatch. Aizen can't be beaten by ordinary shinigami without prep. Only transcended beings can rival Aizen like FGT Ichigo and Yhwach

Juha's transcendent???? When? I do not recall hints to this. Kenpachi has a statement though.

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Kenpachi tanked reality warping. Aizen is not beating him. And this form is void of any mental hax.

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@jeepeh said:

If Aizen wasn't immortal, this would be incredibly close.

@josephgomes619 said:

Aizen rapes. This is a huge mismatch. Aizen can't be beaten by ordinary shinigami without prep. Only transcended beings can rival Aizen like FGT Ichigo and Yhwach

Juha's transcendent???? When? I do not recall hints to this. Kenpachi has a statement though.

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#11  Edited By Valestini

lol, Aizen wins easily (in this state, he's much faster than Yoruichi, is immune to Kido 91 with incantation, and can destroy Urahara / Isshin with one bare hand), I don't understand these debates with him. The only ones which would be relevant would be Base Aizen VS Yhwach, or Base Aizen VS Ichibei. He could even beat Kenpachi in his Base form (100% sure with KS, likely without KS).

According to Ichigo, Aizen was filled with loneliness because he never found a match during all his life, and that nobody was at his level before their final showdown (even if he used Wonderweiss against Yama, he was much smarter than him, and so a better fighter overall. And we're not even sure that Yama would have defeated Aizen otherwise, it was a probability, especially if he was about to sacrifice himself and the other Captains to accomplish that).

But I'll be there in a few months to post here again, when we will have seen Aizen in action once again. Be free to mock me if he's in fact that weak, and if Rukia and Renji or even Kenpachi can beat him. But I will laugh at those who think he would lose to them if he's strong like he's supposed to be :D

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#12  Edited By D3athstroke

Unless Aizen is allowed to regenerate Zaraki oneshots him.

Yeah Aizen transcended his limits, but there is a difference between his limits and limits of another shinigami. Not to mention that Gin one of the weaker captains was able to "kill" stronger form of aizen.

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#13  Edited By MrUnsmiley

Hilarious mismatch in Aizen's favor. Aizen has all his Kido, on top of raw power and damage resistance, and the Hogyoku will continue to evolve him in order to overwhelm Kenpachi. Assuming he even needs it.

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Kenpachi has a confirmed spatial cutting Zanpakuto, he swings and Aizen gets cut in half (I think this would technically be a KO).

Hilarious mismatch in Aizen's favor. Aizen has all his Kido, on top of raw power and damage resistance, and the Hogyoku will continue to evolve him in order to overwhelm Kenpachi. Assuming he even needs it.

Kenpachi can't kill him, mostly because the hogyoku is hax, but he can KO him.

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Kenpachi has a confirmed spatial cutting Zanpakuto, he swings and Aizen gets cut in half (I think this would technically be a KO).

@mrunsmiley said:

Hilarious mismatch in Aizen's favor. Aizen has all his Kido, on top of raw power and damage resistance, and the Hogyoku will continue to evolve him in order to overwhelm Kenpachi. Assuming he even needs it.

Kenpachi can't kill him, mostly because the hogyoku is hax, but he can KO him.

Where does it say that Nozarashi's special ability is spatial cutting?

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@mrunsmiley said:

@captivated- said:

Kenpachi has a confirmed spatial cutting Zanpakuto, he swings and Aizen gets cut in half (I think this would technically be a KO).

@mrunsmiley said:

Hilarious mismatch in Aizen's favor. Aizen has all his Kido, on top of raw power and damage resistance, and the Hogyoku will continue to evolve him in order to overwhelm Kenpachi. Assuming he even needs it.

Kenpachi can't kill him, mostly because the hogyoku is hax, but he can KO him.

Where does it say that Nozarashi's special ability is spatial cutting?

The way in which the shikai was presented to us he constitutes as a spatial cutter. For feats of this; he cut through the meteor without using a shockwave (he simply cut); he constantly says, "there's nothing I can't cut through", this is apparent when he cuts through a hardened Gremmy; the most convincing feat is that he cut through space. All of these feats, especially the cutting through space, constitute Kenpachi as a spatial cutter.

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@mrunsmiley said:

@captivated- said:

Kenpachi has a confirmed spatial cutting Zanpakuto, he swings and Aizen gets cut in half (I think this would technically be a KO).

@mrunsmiley said:

Hilarious mismatch in Aizen's favor. Aizen has all his Kido, on top of raw power and damage resistance, and the Hogyoku will continue to evolve him in order to overwhelm Kenpachi. Assuming he even needs it.

Kenpachi can't kill him, mostly because the hogyoku is hax, but he can KO him.

Where does it say that Nozarashi's special ability is spatial cutting?

The way in which the shikai was presented to us he constitutes as a spatial cutter. For feats of this; he cut through the meteor without using a shockwave (he simply cut); he constantly says, "there's nothing I can't cut through", this is apparent when he cuts through a hardened Gremmy; the most convincing feat is that he cut through space. All of these feats, especially the cutting through space, constitute Kenpachi as a spatial cutter.

Those are feats, yes, but it's not Nozarashi's special ability. Nozarashi's cutting power is increased the more reiatsu Kenpachi pours into it, but that doesn't mean that its special ability is spacial cutting.

IIRC Kenpachi even says that he shouldn't have been able to cut Gremmy since he's a reality warper, and that he was only able to because Gremmy thought Kenpachi was unbeatable.

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@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

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@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

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Aizen if he uses his speed and versatility. Otherwise, kenpachi one shots.

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@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

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@mrunsmiley said:

@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

Except no I'm not. Zaraki beat two Captains, but they were one-on-one fights when he actually defeated them. That, and Komamura and Tosen have been shown to be some of the weaker captains.

He didn't have any power-ups from fighting Nnoitora or Yammy; the only thing he changed was his fighting style, where he switched to proper kendo using two hands.

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@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

Except no I'm not. Zaraki beat two Captains, but they were one-on-one fights when he actually defeated them. That, and Komamura and Tosen have been shown to be some of the weaker captains.

He didn't have any power-ups from fighting Nnoitora or Yammy; the only thing he changed was his fighting style, where he switched to proper kendo using two hands.

Ye did got power ups, you should re read manga. He gets stronger every time he is close to death.
Not to mention that he beat strongest shinigami in history when he was a child.

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@mrunsmiley said:

@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

Except no I'm not. Zaraki beat two Captains, but they were one-on-one fights when he actually defeated them. That, and Komamura and Tosen have been shown to be some of the weaker captains.

He didn't have any power-ups from fighting Nnoitora or Yammy; the only thing he changed was his fighting style, where he switched to proper kendo using two hands.

Ye did got power ups, you should re read manga. He gets stronger every time he is close to death.

Not to mention that he beat strongest shinigami in history when he was a child.

I actually read the manga, genius. If you bothered to comprehend what you're reading, you'd know that he DOESN'T get stronger every time he gets closer to death. The only thing that was even remotely close to that happening was Unohana helping him rediscover his own potential that he had subconsciously suppressed.

Also, Unohana was never the strongest shinigami, or did you completely forget about Yamamoto and the Royal Guard? The databook even flat out shows that Yamamoto is more powerful than her, as well as Aizen and Shunsui. She was only the previous Kenpachi because she was the most bloodthirsty warrior of her time, and highly skilled with the sword.

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@josephgomes619: But that doesn't mean he's Transcendent. Today's chapter Juha hints that Ichigo's back to his post dangai state though, let's see where that goes.

And guys, Kenpachi has a statement that puts him in transcendence. Aizen was unstoppable with his base power, yes, but that was 2 years ago in-story. Upgrades have been given since then.

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#27  Edited By PhantomRant

It could go either way.

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Kenpachi gets whopped

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@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

Except no I'm not. Zaraki beat two Captains, but they were one-on-one fights when he actually defeated them. That, and Komamura and Tosen have been shown to be some of the weaker captains.

He didn't have any power-ups from fighting Nnoitora or Yammy; the only thing he changed was his fighting style, where he switched to proper kendo using two hands.

Ye did got power ups, you should re read manga. He gets stronger every time he is close to death.

Not to mention that he beat strongest shinigami in history when he was a child.

I actually read the manga, genius. If you bothered to comprehend what you're reading, you'd know that he DOESN'T get stronger every time he gets closer to death. The only thing that was even remotely close to that happening was Unohana helping him rediscover his own potential that he had subconsciously suppressed.

Also, Unohana was never the strongest shinigami, or did you completely forget about Yamamoto and the Royal Guard? The databook even flat out shows that Yamamoto is more powerful than her, as well as Aizen and Shunsui. She was only the previous Kenpachi because she was the most bloodthirsty warrior of her time, and highly skilled with the sword.

Exactly right @d3athstroke. kenpachi always fights for enjoyment so he holds back his strength. hes done this in every fight except against gremmy. also zaraki didnt beat unohana its the other way round. it was a close fight but zaraki won. and also aizen and yamamoto's combat ability is the strongest at of all shingami although aizen is about equal to the zero division.

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#30  Edited By GXrevolution96

@mrunsmiley said:

@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@d3athstroke said:

@mrunsmiley said:

@ultimategohan said:

@mrunsmiley: you cant fight aizen with reitsu since as kenpachi said when two spiritual pressures collide the stronger one wins which is why ichigo couldnt cut kenpachi

Your point? Aizen at this point still has the stronger reiatsu, since he's the only Captain besides Yamamoto who's as strong as two Captains combined, and that was in his base form. He's far stronger in his Chrysalis form, and he can only get stronger. Kenpachi cannot.

You basically where wrong about everything you said. Not to mention that preskip eyepatched Zaraki beat two captains even before he got power ups from Nnoitora or Yammi fight.

Except no I'm not. Zaraki beat two Captains, but they were one-on-one fights when he actually defeated them. That, and Komamura and Tosen have been shown to be some of the weaker captains.

He didn't have any power-ups from fighting Nnoitora or Yammy; the only thing he changed was his fighting style, where he switched to proper kendo using two hands.

Ye did got power ups, you should re read manga. He gets stronger every time he is close to death.

Not to mention that he beat strongest shinigami in history when he was a child.

I actually read the manga, genius. If you bothered to comprehend what you're reading, you'd know that he DOESN'T get stronger every time he gets closer to death. The only thing that was even remotely close to that happening was Unohana helping him rediscover his own potential that he had subconsciously suppressed.

Also, Unohana was never the strongest shinigami, or did you completely forget about Yamamoto and the Royal Guard? The databook even flat out shows that Yamamoto is more powerful than her, as well as Aizen and Shunsui. She was only the previous Kenpachi because she was the most bloodthirsty warrior of her time, and highly skilled with the sword.

Exactly right @d3athstroke. kenpachi always fights for enjoyment so he holds back his strength. hes done this in every fight except against gremmy. also zaraki didnt beat unohana its the other way round. it was a close fight but zaraki won. and also aizen and yamamoto's combat ability is the strongest at of all shingami although aizen is about equal to the zero division.

Barely, and only because she was constantly healing him.

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#31  Edited By UltimateGohan

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At this level, i with Zaraki. he would be able to KO Aizen who is in this form. Considering the amount of power he has in his shikai. But if this was Aizen in his post chrysalis form, he was reaching his transcendent power from thereon.

Oh rly. Aizen was taking on uruhara, ishin effortlessly in this form. he also took 90th level kidou. and a GT at point blank rage.

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@ultimategohan: And zaraki just destroyed that meteorite in a single slash, and his his eye patch is still on. But still i believe that zaraki can only KO Aizen, he can't possibly kill him. Hence i say zaraki can win by KO here and that is only for chrysalis Aizen.

Win conditions: Death or Ko

If this was Aizen after the chrysalis stage Zaraki's chance of victory is low to nil from there.

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With these conditions Kenpachi should win.

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@rithik said:

@ultimategohan: And zaraki just destroyed that meteorite in a single slash, and his his eye patch is still on. But still i believe that zaraki can only KO Aizen, he can't possibly kill him. Hence i say zaraki can win by KO here and that is only for chrysalis Aizen.

Win conditions: Death or Ko

If this was Aizen after the chrysalis stage Zaraki's chance of victory is low to nil from there.

that eyepatch doesnt have the same affect has it did previously other wise he wouldve used it against the others

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@ultimategohan: Against whom ? He did use it against Ichigo,Nnoitra and Unohana. The only time he was not able to remove was, when the Sternritter girls ambushed him after his fight with Gremmy. And that was his only fight for now after getting his sword's name. It is better to wait and see in the arc how strong has Zaraki has become and how much more stronger he will be wen he takes out his eye patch in the next fight he gets.

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Kenpachi got this . He is not just a regular or basic shigami . When he was a child he could easily defeat . The the original Kenpachi. His powers has laid dormant for years. I dont see Aizen defeating him.

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Aizen stomps.

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Kyoka Suigetsu should be the winning factor for Aizen. I'm going to Aizen moderate difficulty.

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@rithik said:

@ultimategohan: Against whom ? He did use it against Ichigo,Nnoitra and Unohana. The only time he was not able to remove was, when the Sternritter girls ambushed him after his fight with Gremmy. And that was his only fight for now after getting his sword's name. It is better to wait and see in the arc how strong has Zaraki has become and how much more stronger he will be wen he takes out his eye patch in the next fight he gets.

you know its a different eyepatch right? that was made to make kenpachi enjoy his fights more but after unohoha died zaraki starte fighting to his full potential and not to 'enjoy'

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Kyoka Suigetsu should be the winning factor for Aizen. I'm going to Aizen moderate difficulty.

OP says no KS

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#41  Edited By Rithik

@ultimategohan: Although the eyepatch has been changed. There has been no details given, stating that it is a normal eyepatch. He is still a blood knight, and his fight with gremmy is a proof it.

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Everyone overestimates Kenpachi. I just don't know why. Aizen has mastered every aspect of the shinigami fighting style. Even without his shikai, he was much stronger than other captains except for the old man. Kenpachi has power with his shikai, but it's too soon to call spacial cutting his ability. He didn't cut through space, he merely cut the gremmy clones, ending the space dimension the Quincy created. As for the meteor, he clearly hit it with his axe and broke it. I believe if Kenpachi possessed some type of space cutting technique, the meteor would have been cleanly cut in two pieces. Instead, upon hitting the meteor, it broke into dozens of pieces, suggesting it was crushed through power and not "cut" in the traditional sense. Aizen would not fail here; he was already initially stronger than Kenpachi, and this chrystalis form makes him even stronger. I am just not sure Kenpachi has really gained all that much from his shikai anyway. His fighting style is largely the same raw power type, and Aizen possesses power and so much more. This is seriously more of a mismatch for Kenpachi than the Kenpachi vs byakuya arguments I've seen.

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#43  Edited By Keikai

Aizen kicks Kenpachi away from the battleground.

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If this is CFYOW Kenpachi, he takes this vía stats, but Chrysalys Aizen just evolves, granting him the W.

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Aizen.

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Aizen > bankai Yama > kenpachi

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Aizen he's on a higher plane

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Aizen.