she hulk vs. wolverine

@spidey 15 said:

" @comicdude23 said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @comicdude23 said:

" @spidey 15 said:

"She Hulk...i'm not sure if she is better fighter but she still is a good one....also her huge strength will be more than enough to KO Wolvie....=] "

How? the real Hulk couldn't KO Wolverine "

This is a wrong comparison. At least she hulk has some decent skills and training. A combination of skill with such a high level of strength that she hulk has can bring Logan down. =] "

Shulkie has fighting skills. But do you know how easily the real Hulk would stomp her? Logan also has skills. She may have skills but she won't be KO'ing him. He took hits in the head from the Hulk. And his claws are gonna cause some real damage. "

I don't care how easily hulk would stomp her because Hulk is as irrelevant in this fight as an ice cream. Logan has skills but nothing that would put her down for good while She Hulk's strength combined with her high level of skills can put down Logan in the same way that a LOT of WEAKER characters than HER has put KOed Logan. Do you know anything about Hulk. Considering how you constantly bring him in this fight, i'm sure that you don't know. You can't really compare this savage character that don't know shit about how to fight with someone as smart in terms of combat and as skilled as She Hulk is. =] "

What?  The normal Hulk was pounding Wolverine in the face and he didn't KO him "

" @PirateKing69:
it is from the ultimates so it isnt considered canon in 616. and Ive already posted a scan in some of the other threads that logan wont be ripped in half, Ba'al has already tried and he couldnt even dislocate any joints and Ba'al is considered a 75-100 tonner so below current she-hulk in terms of strength but strong enough that he should be able to do it but can't "

She-Hulk. 

" @god_spawn said:

" @PirateKing69:
it is from the ultimates so it isnt considered canon in 616. and Ive already posted a scan in some of the other threads that logan wont be ripped in half, Ba'al has already tried and he couldnt even dislocate any joints and Ba'al is considered a 75-100 tonner so below current she-hulk in terms of strength but strong enough that he should be able to do it but can't "

Yea i seen the scans you posted....and from what i remember Hulk is not strong enough to tear or break adamantium from 616...but it sounds like MzombieX thinks the hulk or she-hulk can do that to wolverine which i don't see happening but i didn't read all of his post so i mite have missed something  "

Wolverine's body is ripped?

"@comicdude23: never happened in 616 thats ultimates. People have already tried to rip logan in half and it didnt work. they didnt even dislocate any joints. "

"@god_spawn said:

"@comicdude23: never happened in 616 thats ultimates. People have already tried to rip logan in half and it didnt work. they didnt even dislocate any joints. "

I mean that Ultimate scan....did his body get ripped? the ultimate wolverine? "

"@comicdude23 said:

"@god_spawn said:

"@comicdude23: never happened in 616 thats ultimates. People have already tried to rip logan in half and it didnt work. they didnt even dislocate any joints. "

I mean that Ultimate scan....did his body get ripped? the ultimate wolverine? "

yes he was ripped in half "

This is what happens when people use alternate universe crap to back up their argument against mainstream universe stuff. It spreads misinformation. Several people have tried to rip Wolverine in half or cut him in specific areas. It never works. Should it? Yes. The only way to logically explain it is to assume his ligaments have interconnecting fibers of adamantium as well. This would allow for movement as well as tension and compressive strength.  
 
Why else would Wolverine's skeleton remain perfectly arranged when his body has been blown apart?  
 
Whatever it is, the fact remains that 616 Wolverine has been unable to be pulled apart or blown apart.     

" @MzombieX: im sure that scan is from Ultimates not 616 "

"@comicdude23: never happened in 616 thats ultimates. People have already tried to rip logan in half and it didnt work. they didnt even dislocate any joints. "

" @MzombieX:  You are claiming inconsistency but your examples of this inconsistency can be explained as that he grew in ability.   Wolverine never grew from nothing either. His bones are laced with adamantium. That means he has cells within the adamantium that he used to recover with. It is also not the first time he did something on that level so the writers having a laugh over it is pointless.  "

"@erik said:

" @MzombieX:  You are claiming inconsistency but your examples of this inconsistency can be explained as that he grew in ability.   Wolverine never grew from nothing either. His bones are laced with adamantium. That means he has cells within the adamantium that he used to recover with. It is also not the first time he did something on that level so the writers having a laugh over it is pointless.  "

they can't be explained by evolution of the character when Deadpool threatened to kill him by drowning after the fact that he regenerated from almost nothing. It also still doesn't answer the question of how tiny tissue cells that have no oxygen or blood pumping through them or brain wave signals start to regenerate. But oh well ... I guess maybe I'm just old school and don't know if I care much for this new Wolverine that is an immortal God that defies logic. I liked him better when he was grittier and scrappy I guess. He used to have more character. Now he just walks on water and is immune to ever being in a threatening situation. Takes alot of the fun out of it. "

" @MzombieX:  Wolverine was not going to drown. Do you really think Wolverine would have planned his own capture if he really thought Deapool could kill him?  You might as well be asking me how someone can lift a car with their thoughts.  "

Hulk doesn't know shit about fighting? he was a trained warrior at one point......Wolverine has tagged X-23, Blade, Captain America etc. He can take punishment, and has skills of his own....Ok, so she is stronger than him. But he has claws. Claws that did Hulk damage. And very high durability 

She-Hulk would win.

" @god_spawn said:

" @PirateKing69:
it is from the ultimates so it isnt considered canon in 616. and Ive already posted a scan in some of the other threads that logan wont be ripped in half, Ba'al has already tried and he couldnt even dislocate any joints and Ba'al is considered a 75-100 tonner so below current she-hulk in terms of strength but strong enough that he should be able to do it but can't "

Yea i seen the scans you posted....and from what i remember Hulk is not strong enough to tear or break adamantium from 616...but it sounds like MzombieX thinks the hulk or she-hulk can do that to wolverine which i don't see happening but i didn't read all of his post so i mite have missed something  "

People writin a damn novel in here.

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" @Billy Batson said:

" She-Hulk "

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"@Vance Astro said:

"People writin a damn novel in here. "

Too much time on their hands man....way too much time.... "

" @Vance Astro said:

" People writin a damn novel in here. "

lol "

"People writin a damn novel in here. "

" @Jake Fury said:

"@Vance Astro said:

"People writin a damn novel in here. "

Too much time on their hands man....way too much time.... "

@spidey 15 said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" People writin a damn novel in here. "

lol "

@Vance Astro said:

"People writin a damn novel in here. "

Says the people with a combined total of nearly 100,000 posts =D Alright fine ... we may have gone a bit overboard ...... "

"@castleking:
You've made some really good points castle, and I can see where you're coming from. 
Granted, I personally see this as a victory for She-Hulk in the vast majority ... but I guess it depends on how you look at the scenario. 
 
If you take a collection of feats from all the encounters Logan has had with extreme upper tier individuals such as the Hulk, I can see how you would view it the way that you do. 
All of these feats are canon and of course make for a solid argument. 
I guess the difference in the way I would view it is that, although I take past encounters and feats into consideration ... I also try and take the characters out of the context of the books themselves. 
I then try and make a gut decision from there. 
 
In the books the characters are of course tied down to plot, or the writers are tied down to the integrity of the character and how they'll be viewed in the eyes of the fans, or the longevity of the character. 
Because of course they can't have the hero getting killed in combat every issue. They also create these nice stories that showcase the hero facing a threat that is greater than them so they can overcome it. 
Everyone loves to see an underdog rise up to a challenge. 
 
Now I'm not trying to say that everything Wolverine does is PIS ... I'm just saying that in the forums, we are allowed to be the writers in this situation. 
I try to take all that history of the comics into account but at the same time I take the characters themselves at face value and try to balance the two. 
 
Considering that in this matchup, there is no need to preserve these characters or follow a story line ... we have a chance to match them based on skill set and make a guess on how we might see it play out. 
If I'm looking at their skill set compared to each other ... the reality would be that She-Hulk is 100 times stronger than Wolverine. I can't stress enough how overwhelming that is. 
it's proportionate to a new born infant, fresh from the womb, trying to overpower an African elephant. 
I would also have to disagree that Wolverine is all that much faster than Jennifer considering she does also have highly enhanced reflexes due to her musculature. 
she is well beyond peak in areas of agility and can run at amazing speeds and leap for huge distances. 
I would agree that Wolverine is the more highly skilled fighter but Jennifer is no slouch in H2H herself and not as clumsy as Hulk in his past encounters with Logan. 
 
I'll admit that Wolverine could do some serious damage and those claws will cut her down if she lets him, but if he's going to do it ... he had better strike fast and perfect and make it a killing blow immediately. 
If She-Hulk gets her hands on him it is over. That's it for Logan. Her strength should allow her to twist his head off as easily as I could unscrew the cap on a two liter of soda. 
If she simply grabs both his arms, he should realistically not be able to do a damn thing about it. He would be completely immobilized. 
That adamantium skeleton only covers his bones and not his jonts or ligaments and tissue connecting it. 
she could rip his arms off like a rag doll and he would be useless. A single punch to his head at full force should literally turn his brain to Jell-O wether or not he has a metal plated skull or not. 
I know he has a healing factor, but he would not be able to survive an extended onslaught like that and heal fast enough. 
 
That being said, I do respect your take on the battle. I just see it working out differently. There isn't an absolute correct answer in this after all. 
  

 The above post may or may not be considered canon, but I see it as - what the artists know that Hulk could do at any given point if he wanted to ... but maybe they are not allowed to in 616 so they thought they would just show it in a different context. Yet is this not completely within his power to do so at will? I don't think anyone would argue that either Hulk or She-Hulk could rip a human being in half without even applying a fraction of the pressure they could fully exert, considering their strength class. Hulk is not displaying anything here that would be out of character for him, to be able to perform, considering his skill set.     "

ambos pueden ganar si wolverine la decapita antes de que se enoje demasiado sino ella le podria ganar

Since when can Wolverine claws cut through Hulk level skin. In their original meeting, Wolverine tried and they could not do it. When did that change?

@robertloucksjr said:

Since when can Wolverine claws cut through Hulk level skin. In their original meeting, Wolverine tried and they could not do it. When did that change?

They were just not as graphic in the comic where they first battled. Wolverine defeated Hulk with his claws, they just didn't show gore back then.

He always could but they just began showing the damage when comics became blood soaked.

Wolverine wins this battle though.

She-Hulk, and other bricks like her, were kind of tailor made for brick killers like Wolverine.

If Wolverine does his lil brawler dance, he could be looking at a KO though ... She-Hulk's no joke.

If writers by some miracle have Wolverine go martial on Shulkie instead of act like a punching bag, he could pull this off. Think about it. All he should have to do is punch her but once. Claws right through the head like he did to Sabretooth recently should work just fine - Creed needed time to heal through it, She-Hulk will as well.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

She-Hulk, and other bricks like her, were kind of tailor made for brick killers like Wolverine.

If Wolverine does his lil brawler dance, he could be looking at a KO though ... She-Hulk's no joke.

If writers by some miracle have Wolverine go martial on Shulkie instead of act like a punching bag, he could pull this off. Think about it. All he should have to do is punch her but once. Claws right through the head like he did to Sabretooth recently should work just fine - Creed needed time to heal through it, She-Hulk will as well.

I think She-Hulk (being a Hulk) heals a bit faster than Sabortooth (or am I mistaken).

@soduh2 said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

She-Hulk, and other bricks like her, were kind of tailor made for brick killers like Wolverine.

If Wolverine does his lil brawler dance, he could be looking at a KO though ... She-Hulk's no joke.

If writers by some miracle have Wolverine go martial on Shulkie instead of act like a punching bag, he could pull this off. Think about it. All he should have to do is punch her but once. Claws right through the head like he did to Sabretooth recently should work just fine - Creed needed time to heal through it, She-Hulk will as well.

I think She-Hulk (being a Hulk) heals a bit faster than Sabortooth (or am I mistaken).

Could very well be. Sabretooth fails to impress of late. Know any higher end feats for Shulkie in that regard?

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@soduh2 said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

She-Hulk, and other bricks like her, were kind of tailor made for brick killers like Wolverine.

If Wolverine does his lil brawler dance, he could be looking at a KO though ... She-Hulk's no joke.

If writers by some miracle have Wolverine go martial on Shulkie instead of act like a punching bag, he could pull this off. Think about it. All he should have to do is punch her but once. Claws right through the head like he did to Sabretooth recently should work just fine - Creed needed time to heal through it, She-Hulk will as well.

I think She-Hulk (being a Hulk) heals a bit faster than Sabortooth (or am I mistaken).

Could very well be. Sabretooth fails to impress of late. Know any higher end feats for Shulkie in that regard?

I'm not sure. I think she had feats that at least put her above Red She Hulk (as far as healing goes) in chaos war but I guess that's irrelevant.

@TheSwordsman said:

@robertloucksjr said:

Since when can Wolverine claws cut through Hulk level skin. In their original meeting, Wolverine tried and they could not do it. When did that change?

They were just not as graphic in the comic where they first battled. Wolverine defeated Hulk with his claws, they just didn't show gore back then.

He always could but they just began showing the damage when comics became blood soaked.

Wolverine wins this battle though.

I have that comic book. It ended with Hulk knocking out Wolverine with a glancing blow to the head after Wolverine took out Wendigo by cutting him up. He clawed Hulk earlier to no avail.

Going with Shulkie

She hulk for the win!

Is current She-Hulk strong enough to BFR Wolverine? Other than that she has to seriously pound on Wolverine to KO him. Those are the only ways I she her winning. I'm not sure how capable she is of doing these things.

She-Hulk has more durability, strength, speed (I think) and more. All it will take is one good punch to Wolvie's head and Wolvie's down or to choke him out or drown him. All of that's easy for She-Hulk.

She-Hulk wins 99.99999999999 Percent of the time.

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@robertloucksjr said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@robertloucksjr said:

Since when can Wolverine claws cut through Hulk level skin. In their original meeting, Wolverine tried and they could not do it. When did that change?

They were just not as graphic in the comic where they first battled. Wolverine defeated Hulk with his claws, they just didn't show gore back then.

He always could but they just began showing the damage when comics became blood soaked.

Wolverine wins this battle though.

I have that comic book. It ended with Hulk knocking out Wolverine with a glancing blow to the head after Wolverine took out Wendigo by cutting him up. He clawed Hulk earlier to no avail.

Got it mixed up with a What if #31: Wolverine had killed the Hulk. My mistake. I actually had that issue also but sold it some time ago.

@MasterM0r0n said:

She-Hulk has more durability, strength, speed (I think) and more. All it will take is one good punch to Wolvie's head and Wolvie's down or to choke him out or drown him. All of that's easy for She-Hulk.

She-Hulk wins 99.99999999999 Percent of the time.

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Her combat reflexes are in no, way shape or form better than Wolverine's. Durability is questionable and fighting ability far below Logan's. Which matters most IMHO in a tit for tat battle like this where any one solid hit could spell victory.

So ya, it could likewise be said that all it would take is one good punch to the face for Wolverine to win as well (claws extended of course). If She-Hulk takes this, it's not with such a phenomenal majority by any stretch of the imagination.

she hulk!!!

 Durability is questionable