If shazam starts off as a kid then flash would run over to billy faster than light cover his mouth and kill him
Shazam vs. The Flash (New 52)
lets say Shazams lightning travels.....ehhh idk, the speed of light. Flash is 13 trillion times the speed of light. Shazam can never touch him because I know he isn't anywhere as fast as Superman and if he is he still couldn't touch him.
That was Wally. Stop wanking. The person here is Barry Allen.
Also, the comic says that Wally was traveling under light speed. Sorry.
Do all the math you want. If the writer says it, then it's canon. Not fanmade calculations.
lets say Shazams lightning travels.....ehhh idk, the speed of light. Flash is 13 trillion times the speed of light. Shazam can never touch him because I know he isn't anywhere as fast as Superman and if he is he still couldn't touch him.
That was Wally. Stop wanking. The person here is Barry Allen.
Also, the comic says that Wally was traveling under light speed. Sorry.
Do all the math you want. If the writer says it, then it's canon. Not fanmade calculations.
To go a bit off topic, the writer doesn't have the authority to make a wide sweeping statement for dramatic purposes (a hair's bredth under the speed of light) and not expect proper calculations to be done on it. The actual calculated speed>writing statement. And I say that as a huge fan of Joe Kelly who wrote the story from where this feat is from.
Back on topic, Flash wins. He has better combat speed feats, more experience with his powers and if it were allowed, could just dump Shazam in the speed force resulting in a win via BFR.
Heres an alternate strategy, flash dumps him in the speed force.. And leaves him there. The end.
Or even since hes shown to be massively faster and stronger in the speed force then he is outside it hed just smash the shit outta billy in there. Outside hes hung with supergirl and thats no joke, imagine inside. Flash has too many ways to win.
Flash. While the New 52 Flash isn't as powerful as he used to be, he is still very knowledgeable about his powers while Billy isn't. I'd still say Barry is faster than Billy.
The new-52 Flash is pathetic. The new-52 Flash got hit by Superman, lol.
After Superman missed him a dozen times and while Barry was doing his best to keep Superman swinging at him instead of going after Hal. It's not like you'd expect Barry, if his #1 goal was not to get hit, to stand within arm's reach of Superman constantly. This was also 5 years ago (in comic time) before Flash learned how to use the Speed Mind which gives him effective precognition.
The old Flash would've seen Superman's hits coming and would've been able to dodge every single one of Superman's hits easily. The fact that Flash wasn't able to see Superman's flick coming and/or wasn't able to move out-of-the-way fast enough to dodge it proves that Flash is not even faster than Superman.
And effective precognition is cool and all, but Flash is still quite slow, considering he's the Flash and all.
The old Flash would've seen Superman's hits coming and would've been able to dodge every single one of Superman's hits easily. The fact that Flash wasn't able to see Superman's flick coming and/or wasn't able to move out-of-the-way fast enough to dodge it proves that Flash is not even faster than Superman.
And effective precognition is cool and all, but Flash is still quite slow, considering he's the Flash and all.
He is much slower than his pre-52 self, but being able to see every action before your opponent makes said action in your head makes dodging a lot easier. And as I said, it was 5 years ago before Barry learned his powers adequately.
Superman is faster than Flash, currently, atleast as far as travel speed goes.
My point still stands. New-52 Flash sucks.
My point still stands. New-52 Flash sucks.
That's a very limited view considering he has powers that even Wally hasn't demonstrated, even if he lacks the raw power and speed steal.
It isn't a limited view. Flash's main power is suppose to be about speed, that's what he's always been like. Now, in the new-52 they're changing what Flash originally was suppose to be to some other nonsense. The original Flash could win fights just because he was so fast, but now, they're changing the powers of the character that essentially defined him. The "Flash" was suppose to be the "Flash." It would've been much better if the Flash was much, much faster than everybody else, but he isn't and that isn't his character. I'm sure the old Flash could beat the new-52 Flash in a fight. I mean since when can Flash get hit by Superman? Lol. That's just pathetic.
It isn't a limited view. Flash's main power is suppose to be about speed, that's what he's always been like. Now, in the new-52 they're changing what Flash originally was suppose to be to some other nonsense. The original Flash could win fights just because he was so fast, but now, they're changing the powers of the character that essentially defined him. The "Flash" was suppose to be the "Flash." It would've been much better if the Flash was much, much faster than everybody else, but he isn't and that isn't his character. I'm sure the old Flash could beat the new-52 Flash in a fight. I mean since when can Flash get hit by Superman? Lol. That's just pathetic.
Wally's been tagged by people slower than Superman plenty of times, usually by surprise. That's exactly how Superman tagged Barry, too.
Though, yes, it's true that Barry is definitively not the fastest guy around considering both Superman and Cheetah are faster than him.
The OP states Billy starts out as a kid.
Couldn't Barry just superspeed up to him and cover his mouth?
My point still stands. Everything I said in my last post are the reasons why the new-52 Flash sucks.
My point still stands. Everything I said in my last post are the reasons why the new-52 Flash sucks.
Your point doesn't stand if you're comparing him directly to Wally. Saying "He got tagged by Superman and that means he sucks compared to Wally!" When Wally has been tagged by people slower than Superman is logically flawed.
That Flash is no longer the fastest man alive is a legitimate complaint. Blame Lobdell for Superman and Johns for Cheetah.
New 52 Flash. Billy's sort of inexperienced with his powers right now, as Barry's already settled into his and is well over experienced using it in combat.
I'm going with Barry. He did some serious damage to the Martian Manhunter with a phazing punch and beat a serious SuperGirl, who should actually beat Shazam in a CAV.
@tgd124: That scan is non-canon btw. It's a preview of a fight that went differently than shown in your particular scan.
@sage1000: No big surprise there because black Adam has beaten the justice league.
Shazam easily. Shazam trades blows with guy like Superman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam and Aquaman and still gets right back up easily. Anyone of those guy would be able to slap off Flash head barely using any of their strength because remember Flash has the same durability as a regular person. His punches won't really hurt him either because remember he has regular human strength, Flash would break his hand before he dares hurt Shazam.
Flash
@tgd124: That was just a little ad lol
Shazam starts out as a kid, and Flash starts out without his suit on.
So um, Billy's a normal kid while Flash is... naked?
Definitel Shazam.
Flash is fragile and one mistake or punch from Shazam and he'll be down. First off, Shazam is not as slow as you think. He was actually able to catch Flash while he was running at a speed so fast that he was vibrating past anything that tried to touch him. Flash would have to maneuver his way through all of the obstacles in the wasteland. Second, it's cause of the terrain he's fighting in. A wasteland just doesnt fit the way barry fights. Shazam could start sending lightning bolts everywhere, or charge up one big enough to send an electrical shockwave throughout the terrain. There really wouldn't be anywhere barry could go. If Shazma lands even one hit on barry he'll be affected, and from there he could take him out.
Shazam 6/10.
@plasmashock: In which issue did Shazam keep up with Barry while he was phasing through things? These are New 52 versions, and New 52 Shazam has neither the speed nor skill nor power to put down Barry. The Flash was able to hurt beings like Supergirl and Wonder Woman (who btw was just shrugging off hits from Doomsday without so much as a scratch in Action Comics) and drew blood.
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