Shao Khan VS M. Bison

Vance Astro Said:
That is not powerful and it's not a feat.If I can steal souls...how is it a feat if no one I have done it too has a defense against it.That's like saying Sentry killing Carnage is a feat.He's far stronger than Carnage.Stealing souls from a bunch of mortals who can't do anything about it is useable as something he can do but it's not a feat of power.If you can absorb a few souls from the get go and then all of a sudden your stealing millions..that does mean you are stronger but it isn't a feat.

If it really bothers you Vance, we can call it "a gauge of his powers", okay? It is necessary to bring up because it shows how much control he has. Sheng Tsung can take your soul. Shao Khan can take everythings soul on a planet. The fea.. wait... "gauge of his powers" I mentioned is to show what the extent of his powers is. Lets drop this now okay?

Vance Astro Said:
Ok but that is my point...he has spent years and years becoming powerful and creating an empire.Shao Kahn lost to Lui Kang so I would assume that the people he fought in Outworld were weaker in comparison to a mortal with the help of a god...something like Ryu being a mortal with Hadou.

Liu Kang beat Shao Khan with the help of the God of Lightening Raiden. If not for Raiden, Liu Kang would not be able to battle Shao Khan in the first place. King Jerrod and etc.. didn't have the help of an immortal. Furthermore, when Liu Kang battled Shao Khan, Shao Khan had already fought with other warriors. I know canonically he battled with Kung Lao first, the first person chosen to be "The One."

Vance Astro Said:
Shao Khan controls more power than Ryu because Ryu supresses his power..that's why he trains harder than everyone else so he doesn't have to give in to the Dark Hadou to win.

You cannot argue for Ryu (why not Bison?) based on assumptions of what he can do with his Dark Hadou if he were to let loose.

Vance Astro Said:
You really need to get some damn SF resources..SFIII3rd strike is the only damn SFIII that is canon.You can google that sh#t.You obviously don't have the book I get my information from,but I have no reason to make up a feat for someone who has almost nothing to do with the battle.

I'm not sure if it is a reading and comprehension problem or if you are purposely  trying to misinterpret my words to create a strawman to attack. I am not questioning if Street Fighter 3rd Strike is canon. I am questioning if the ENDINGS are canon. Dudley beat Gill in his ending and got his car back. Urien beat Gill in his ending and took over the Illuminati. Obviously both cannot be canon. What is the source that shows that Akuma's ending is canon?

Vance Astro Said:
WHO CARES? WHO CARES THAT RYU IS HUMAN..that isn't the point.He's more powerful than Lui Kang who beat Shao Kahn so wtf is the point of saying he's human as if that makes him weaker or something.Before I assume the Dark Hadou can do what? I mentioned Akuma's fighting style destroying souls...it does.Google Shun Goku Satsu.If you don't have the proper resources you how can you make an argument?

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Vance Astro Said:
That is not powerful and it's not a feat.If I can steal souls...how is it a feat if no one I have done it too has a defense against it.That's like saying Sentry killing Carnage is a feat.He's far stronger than Carnage.Stealing souls from a bunch of mortals who can't do anything about it is useable as something he can do but it's not a feat of power.If you can absorb a few souls from the get go and then all of a sudden your stealing millions..that does mean you are stronger but it isn't a feat.

If it really bothers you Vance, we can call it "a gauge of his powers", okay? It is necessary to bring up because it shows how much control he has. Sheng Tsung can take your soul. Shao Khan can take everythings soul on a planet. The fea.. wait... "gauge of his powers" I mentioned is to show what the extent of his powers is. Lets drop this now okay?

Vance Astro Said:
Ok but that is my point...he has spent years and years becoming powerful and creating an empire.Shao Kahn lost to Lui Kang so I would assume that the people he fought in Outworld were weaker in comparison to a mortal with the help of a god...something like Ryu being a mortal with Hadou.

Liu Kang beat Shao Khan with the help of the God of Lightening Raiden. If not for Raiden, Liu Kang would not be able to battle Shao Khan in the first place. King Jerrod and etc.. didn't have the help of an immortal. Furthermore, when Liu Kang battled Shao Khan, Shao Khan had already fought with other warriors. I know canonically he battled with Kung Lao first, the first person chosen to be "The One."

Vance Astro Said:
Shao Khan controls more power than Ryu because Ryu supresses his power..that's why he trains harder than everyone else so he doesn't have to give in to the Dark Hadou to win.

You cannot argue for Ryu (why not Bison?) based on assumptions of what he can do with his Dark Hadou if he were to let loose.

Vance Astro Said:
You really need to get some damn SF resources..SFIII3rd strike is the only damn SFIII that is canon.You can google that sh#t.You obviously don't have the book I get my information from,but I have no reason to make up a feat for someone who has almost nothing to do with the battle.

I'm not sure if it is a reading and comprehension problem or if you are purposely  trying to misinterpret my words to create a strawman to attack. I am not questioning if Street Fighter 3rd Strike is canon. I am questioning if the ENDINGS are canon. Dudley beat Gill in his ending and got his car back. Urien beat Gill in his ending and took over the Illuminati. Obviously both cannot be canon. What is the source that shows that Akuma's ending is canon?

Vance Astro Said:
WHO CARES? WHO CARES THAT RYU IS HUMAN..that isn't the point.He's more powerful than Lui Kang who beat Shao Kahn so wtf is the point of saying he's human as if that makes him weaker or something.Before I assume the Dark Hadou can do what? I mentioned Akuma's fighting style destroying souls...it does.Google Shun Goku Satsu.If you don't have the proper resources you how can you make an argument?

First of all, I mentioned he is a mortal to show that he is susceptible to having his soul ripped from his body.

NOW - you're assuming Ryu is stronger than Liu Kang. Thats a seperate thread where I would bet that Liu Kang has better feats than Ryu. I'll get into it a little right now:

-defeated Shang Tsung
-defeated Shao Khan
-defeated Elder God Shinnok

Beating the Elder God Shinnok and Shao Khan is a bigger feat than anything Ryu has ever done. The people Liu Kang beat are reality manipulators, immortals, gods, people who can create legions of soldiers with the wave of a hand, people who can rip the soul right out of you.. the people Liu Kang has defeated are on a completely different level from Ryu. In fact, Liu Kang's future is to ultimately become a god himself.

Tell me, how many times was Liu Kang defeated? ONCE. How? Because he was ambushed by two of MK realities most powerful sorcerers Shang Tsung and Quan Chi. That is the only time he lost, and it was to trickery. How about Ryu? Ken, Bison, Akuma... anyone else i'm missing? This is a different thread anyways. You cannot say "Ryu is stronger than Liu Kang, thus Bison can beat Shao Khan." Lets not stray off topic with fallacies.

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Ken pwns all :P

Bison won on page 1..this is just sad now.

Vance Astro Said:
1.It still doesn't matter because just as easy as Shao Khan can take his soul he can control is mind.I would assume Shao Kahn would at least face him in Mortal Kombat first.They both basically have a move the will take either out if it is used.You are also forgetting nobody have ever survived a full power Psycho Crusher.It's not the fact of me being bother it's the fact you are calling something a feat when it isn't.

It does matter. Has Bison shown that he ahs the ability to take someone's mind who is as powerful as Shao Khan? You're using no-limits fallacy. Because Bison can take the mind of random person (obviously he failed with Ryu and Cammy), he can control the mind of a powerful sorcerer who can mind control himself. Okay. What you're proposing is similar to how Deathnote fans say Light can kill...Galactus using the Deathnote. I have proven how powerful Shao Khan's soul taking ability is. You haven't proven that Bison can take over the mind of someone as powerful as Shao Khan.

Nobody has survived the full power of the psycho crusher? Who is "nobody"? 

If you don't like calling it a feat, we can call it "example of how strong his powers are"... (thinks to the definition of "feat" and laughs)

Vance Astro Said:
2.Lui Kang is a mortal.

Yes. You're right. He is a mortal in MK1 - MK: Deadly Alliance. However, his soul was protected by the divine powers of the God of Lightning: Raiden. What is your point?

Vance Astro Said:
3.ENDINGS ARE CANON IF THEY ARE PART OF THE CHARACTERS STORYLINE..Dudley beating Gill isn't canon because it's not in his storyline it's in Urien's.In almost every ending of every SF some random person beats the final boss.It's only canon if it is part of their storyline to do so.All endings showing random feats like Dhalsim saving those kids in SFII that was canon.I have given you the same source for everything I have mentioned here..I gave you a source way back in other posts yet you keep asking me to cite where it says what is and what is not canon....it's getting old now.

Convenient how you can choose what endings are canon and what is not. The way it has always worked in video games is that canon can only be seen in the next game. Does it say in the official guide that Akuma can bust meteors and islands? I am willing to accept it if it says so. Either way, this is not even on topic. Why you continue to stray off topic and attack arguments that have absolutely nothing to do with Shao Khan vs M. Bison.. I do not know.

Vance Astro Said:
4.Ryu beat Akuma...nuff said.Elder Gods...let's see them destroy a meteor without even using half their power.

Vance Astro Said:
Didn't Molock kill Lui Kang..didn't Lui Kang die? How many times did Ryu die? How about none. Ryu has beaten Ken more than once,he never got a chance to beat Bison on his own,and Akuma could take half of the Mk Universe by himself.

The only one to kill Liu Kang was the combined treachory of Quan Chi and Shang Tsung. It wasn't even a fair fight, or a fight period. Liu Kang is undefeated in fair regular combat. Ryu is not. Fact.

Vance Astro Said:
Anyway.Your still forgetting what is really important here.Minus Bison's mind control and Shao Kahn's soul stealing...Bison beats the sh#t out of him.He far fast because of his teleportation,he can be intangible (for how long we don't know) he can fly....and he has extreme manipulation of Psycho energy.Just look at the dam moves sets.Bison looks like a god im comparison to Shao Kahn.What move does he have besides this soul stealing BS would he not only pull of but actually put Bison down with?

Minus Shao Khan's soul stealing ability? Thats part of his character along with mind controlling a reality warper. Teleportation? Mileena and Kung Lao can teleport.. didn't do them much good. Intangibility? Obviously he can't become intangible enough given the fact that he has lost fights. What moves does Shao Khan have? look at the movelist? This is not video game. Of course Shao Khan doesn't have all of his abilities in-game.

And that "Soul Stealing BS" is part of his character. This is Bison vs Shao Khan, not Bison vs Shao Khan if he didn't have access to his canon abilities.

"Bison won on page 1..this is just sad now."

"Samurai Condoms said:

"Bison won on page 1..this is just sad now."

Agreed.I'm just wasting time now."

"Vance Astro said:

"Samurai Condoms said:

"Bison won on page 1..this is just sad now."

Agreed.I'm just wasting time now."

Of course people are going to say "Bison wins". He is a better, cooler, more popular character. Once again, I think SF is a superior game to Mortal Kombat. Vastly superior game.

What you can't do is get over your own bias to see that MK has broken characters who would beat SF characters as far as canon is concerned. How many people in fictionverses can defend against having their soul ripped out? Not many."

shoa khan wins. over and done.

"shoa khan wins. over and done."

" Scarlet Thor said:

"So Bison can mind affect somone can fly and can fire energy bursts.
Again based on the game and the movies I am not impresed. Khan was able to control much more power. Of course in the comic book this might be different"

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Shao Kahn ftw. M. Bison uses mind control. Shao Kahn"hahaha, Is that your best?", then he he takes his warhammer, and smashes m.bison into tomato soup with one hit.

This one has been done I think a few months ago somewhere lol.  But yeah, second for Kahn here..Bison is  a beast but Shao Kahn is an even bigger beast.

Arguably the top two popular baddies in MK and SF respectfully....IMO anyway. My  mistake I meant this thread lol didn't notice the 6 pages of responces lol 

Shao Khan.

Its been proven Shao Kahn would win.

Shao Kahn is way more powerful.

Specifically, pre-SF2 Bison has no soul (It is explained in SFA3 that he got rid of it to make room for Psycho Power, and it became Rose), which is why he refers to Shun Goku Satsu (which directly targets the soul) as pitifully weak in SFA3 (Adon's story mode), and why it doesn't cause him any real damage in Adon's or his story mode. Gill, Gen, and Gouken have also survived Shun Goku Satsu through resurrection or "emptying" their souls.

edit: Also the Udon comics are based on canon but not actually part of it, afaik.

I don't think that is true. Bison's official story says that he split his soul in 2, not that he didn't have one. His Psycho power actually comes from, and is fueled by, his soul.

And Gill, Gen, and Gouken were never "resurrected" after getting hit by Akuma's RD, well maybe Gill was, but Gouken and Gen essentially blocked the RD by "emptying" their souls (using the power of nothingness), while Bison escaped it via body jumping.

That's the SF2 Bison. In Street Fighter Alpha 3 Bison stomps Akuma and just walks away from getting hit with a Shun Goku Satsu.

I'll just say that I agree with the outcome of this Deathbattle.

Thank you, if you didn't post this video, i was going too.