#1 Posted by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course we all know Batman is a great hand to hand fighter, but is he good enough to take on arguably the greatest kung-fu master in the Marvel universe?

From Wiki:
Shang-Chi is classed as an athlete but he is one of the best non-superhuman practitioners of martial arts and has dedicated much of his life to the art, being referred to by some as the greatest empty handed fighter and practitioner of Kung Fu alive. Much of his physical abilities seem to stem from his mastery of Qi, which has often allowed him to surpass physical limitations of normal athletes. In one instance, Shang was able to stand shirtless in minus 20 degree weather without feeling any physical discomfort. He has also demonstrated the ability to dodge bullets and to deflect single shots with his bracers. He is highly trained in the arts of concentration and meditation, and is also an expert in various hand-weapons including the bo, nunchakus, and shuriken.



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#2 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give it to Shang

#3 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#4 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Shang Bangin Chi

#5 Posted by TruePwnge (2764 posts) - - Show Bio

Shang is probably faster, Batman even at peak has problems pushing himself to bullet timing levels

Shang may be faster but I think Batman hits harder, Batman has put some huge guys on their rear

Who is better? has the best techniques? Who will KO first?
that's tough

bo-staff and nunchakus Vs the famous Utility Belt
That's easy

Batman wins


#6 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@TruePwnge said:
" Shang is probably faster, Batman even at peak has problems pushing himself to bullet timing levelsShang may be faster but I think Batman hits harder, Batman has put some huge guys on their rearWho is better? has the best techniques? Who will KO first?that's tough bo-staff and nunchakus Vs the famous Utility BeltThat's easyBatman wins "
It's hand to hand.
#7 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@TruePwnge said:
"Batman even at peak has problems pushing himself to bullet timing levels."
No, he doesn't. Anyway, bullet timing isn't a factor here.
#8 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
i pick shang chi he would give bats one hell of a fight.
#9 Posted by Kastiel (8919 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm giving it to Shang Shang.

#10 Edited by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm giving it to Shang too
 
I think his mastery of Qi (cosmic energy that buffs his strength, speed, durability etc.) makes him superhuman at least during fights

oh, and IMO neither Shang nor Batman can truly bullet-time like in The Matrix, they just dodge before the bad guy shoots

#11 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
" I'm giving it to Shang too I think his mastery of Qi (magic energy that increases his strength, speed, durability etc.) makes him superhuman at least during fights "
Qi isn't magical.
#12 Posted by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock: I changed it to cosmic
#13 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
" @Static Shock: I changed it to cosmic "
Sarcasm? LOL.
#14 Posted by TruePwnge (2764 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" Qi isn't magical. "
Jack Burton would disagree

  

#15 Posted by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

batman's going down unless he uses gadgets :)

#16 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y: Besides the fact Shang has already done it
#17 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
"and IMO neither Shang nor Batman can truly bullet-time like in The Matrix, they just dodge before the bad guy shoots "


Shang seems to be dodging them after they are fired here.
#18 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@TruePwnge said:
"Jack Burton would disagree

  
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Using movies to prove a point isn't helping you. Qi/chi/ki isn't magical.

@m0ntyb0y said:
" batman's going down unless he uses gadgets :) "
I disagree.



#19 Posted by TruePwnge (2764 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
" @Static Shock: I changed it to cosmic "
I would call Qi/Chi a kind of Spirtual Energy

wikipedia :
QUOTE
 It is frequently translated as "energy flow," and is often compared to Western notions of energeia or élan vital (vitalism) as well as the yogic notion of prana. The literal translation is "air," "breath," or "gas" (compare the original meaning of Latin spiritus "breathing"; or the Common Greek πνεῦμα, meaning "air," "breath," or "spirit"; and the Sanskrit term prana, "breath" )
#20 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

shang wins

#21 Edited by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess he can then, has Batman ever done that?

cuz if he hasn't I think he's going to get his face caved in by Shang.

Spiritual is a good term, there's no proof of what Qi is or isn't, and that's honestly not the point, I don't care if it's magic or metaphysical or whatever

point is it raises Shang's physical ability to a superhuman level

#22 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@TruePwnge said:
"I would call Qi/Chi a kind of Spirtual Energy
Or a vital life force associated with breath and bodily fluids and sought to control its movement within the body in order to achieve longevity and spiritual power. Nothing magical about it.
#23 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
"cuz if he hasn't I think he's going to get his face caved in by Shang? "
That's just like me saying Shang is going to get his face caved in by Batman...


@m0ntyb0y said:
" I guess he can then, has Batman ever done that?"
He dodged a sniper bullet with his back turned after it was fired.
#24 Posted by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

that sounds pretty "magical" to me unless you're using magic in a specific sorcery-related sense of the word, then a lot of fantasy powers wouldn't be magic i.e. cosmic, the Force etc.

#25 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
" that sounds pretty "magical" to me."
In literal teams, it isn't. In short, it's physical life force. Magical and physical are two different things. They contradict each other.

@m0ntyb0y said:
"then a lot of fantasy powers wouldn't be magic i.e. cosmic, the Force etc. "

Cosmic powers are never depicted as magic. it's just a superhuman ability that's bound by scientific effects. Like what the Silver Surfer does. Magic isn't bound by science.
#26 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" Batman. "
why are you backing batman?
#27 Edited by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

well so far everyone's going with Shang except you, we'll see if that changes :D

#28 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
" well so far everyone's going with Shang except you, we'll see if that changes :D "
i don't care for Majority Rules or Bandwagons. It's not a logical way of deciding on something, anyway.

@Apparition said:
"why are you backing batman? "
I honestly think he's a better fighter than Shang, being a master of hundreds of styles while Shang is only a master of a few. He also trumps him physically.

#29 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@m0ntyb0y said:
"metaphysical or whateverpoint is it raises Shang's physical ability to a superhuman level "
To what extent?
#30 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @m0ntyb0y said:
" well so far everyone's going with Shang except you, we'll see if that changes :D "
i don't care for Majority Rules or Bandwagons. It's not a logical way of deciding on something, anyway.

@Apparition said:
"why are you backing batman? "
I honestly think he's a better fighter than Shang, being a master of hundreds of styles while Shang is only a master of a few. He also trumps him physically. "
i think batman might be stronger but i dont see him being any more physically superior.  and once you get past 10 or 12 styles how much do those other 100 something help you?  if you know one really all-around style, then you'd be as ready for anything as someone who's studied hundreds of styles.  and master of kung fu to me means he's the master of all chinese martial arts.  china's got so many styles and they are so varied that i dont think knowing anything outside of kung fu would make you any better of a fighter.
#31 Edited by m0ntyb0y (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

a cross-over would be great to settle this...I'd buy it XD

Wiki: Although it has never been determined exactly how extensive Shang-Chi's fighting skills are, he has beaten numerous superhuman opponents. Even without having any superhuman powers, he has on several occasions matched other Marvel superhumans such as Spider-Man and the Thing. In one instance, he indefinitely held off a crowd of at least 30 super criminals for Captain America with help from Falcon. After the death of fellow Hero for Hire, Orka, Shang managed to single-handedly take out the Headmen including a reprogrammed Doombot, although his hands were injured badly after the battle. All of these incidents were empty handed.

#32 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

the writers would just have batman win because he's the more popular character

#33 Posted by WindCloud (2678 posts) - - Show Bio

Shang Chi wins.  His Chi Goong will be too much for Bats to comprehend and handle.

#34 Edited by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
shang can amp up and distribute the kinetic attack from a 100+ tonner without a batsuit bats is in some serious trouble if he isnt wearing his rubber nipple outfit to protect him from a chi amp punch or kick.

  

#35 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Apparition said:
" i think batman might be stronger but i dont see him being any more physically superior."
I don't know about that. Batman has shown to be faster and more agile than that of Shang Chi. Same goes for endurance, having spent months of rounding up villains that Bane helped escape to the point of exhaustion.

@Apparition said:
and once you get past 10 or 12 styles how much do those other 100 something help you?  if you know one really all-around style, then you'd be as ready for anything as someone who's studied hundreds of styles.  and master of kung fu to me means he's the master of all chinese martial arts.  china's got so many styles and they are so varied that i dont think knowing anything outside of kung fu would make you any better of a fighter. "
The other hundred help out a lot, taking the most effective techniques from them and using them to your advantage in a fight. I'm aware of China having so many forms, but I doubt there's a hundred of them. I could be wrong, though.  Shang Chi is an excellent fighter, but I haven't seen anything from him that would make me think that he could beat Batman in a H2H fight.

#36 Posted by WindCloud (2678 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
The other hundred help out a lot, taking the most effective techniques from them and using them to your advantage in a fight. I'm aware of China having so many forms, but I doubt there's a hundred of them. I could be wrong, though.  Shang Chi is an excellent fighter, but I haven't seen anything from him that would make me think that he could beat Batman in a H2H fight.
Yes there is:  his Chi Goong (which most non-Chinese and non-japs have trouble comprehending).
#37 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Shang Chi beat wolverine who has mastered many other fighting styles as well.

As far as the writing goes like static said.

Shang Chi is not very popular and I dont see him ever being popular but I've seen him deflect a punch from the thing..Even when it was weaker its still a good feat for someone who is just a human

#38 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
he not only deflected the things attacks he straight out blocked and threw down with Korg.... without gadgets and a rubber nipple suit.
#39 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Shang Chi beat wolverine who has mastered many other fighting styles as well."
Are you sure? Because Wolverine humiliated Shang Chi and was getting ready to kill him.
#40 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" he not only deflected the things attacks he straight out blocked and threw down with Korg.... without gadgets and a rubber nipple suit. "
You act like he hasn't been hurt before in his suit. When he has.
#41 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Shang Chi beat wolverine who has mastered many other fighting styles as well."
Are you sure? Because Wolverine humiliated Shang Chi and was getting ready to kill him. "
he is talking about when logan went to shang to learn new zen mental exercises and he ended up fighting shang. logan jumped onto a rail and lost his balance shang cut the rail and caused logan to slip and fall. shang then caught him logan was pissed and told him he came to learn from him but he wasnt getting nothing from him he grabbed his bags and took off.
#42 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Shang Chi beat wolverine who has mastered many other fighting styles as well."
Are you sure? Because Wolverine humiliated Shang Chi and was getting ready to kill him. "
No, I remember Shang-Chi beating Wolverine three times in one issue
#43 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Whew.

I thought static was gonna bust something out again.

#44 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
"No, I remember Shang-Chi beating Wolverine three times in one issue "
That's entirely different from what I saw.
#45 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio
also another person shang has faced against was elektra i dont know if he won or not or simply stalemated her but  it is impressive as well.
#46 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
"No, I remember Shang-Chi beating Wolverine three times in one issue "
That's entirely different from what I saw. "
Fair enough
#47 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" also another person shang has faced against was elektra i dont know if he won or not or simply stalemated her but  it is impressive as well. "
Batman stalemated Bronze Tiger.
#48 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84520 posts) - - Show Bio

Shang Chi

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#49 Posted by Lunacyde (17872 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" Shang Chi "

#50 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

I would also like to point out that Batman has mastered chi as well, kicking through trees and brick walls.