sentry vs wonder woman (h2h combat)

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@agent41 said:

@mysticmedivh: another user said that goku in his base for would easily beat sentrey or WW and that is not true,they are more powerful than a ssj 1 and in WW's case she is an extraordinary fighter as well.

There is good reason to believe based off of feats (A ki blast Piccolo launched destroyed the moon instantaneously. Raditz literally managed to run faster than another one of Piccolo's blasts for a short period of time before he stopped to tank it. The blast should be at the very least light-speed or FTL. Keep in mind that Piccolo only had a power level of 300 or so at the time.) that characters in the Saiyan Saga had FTL combat/reaction speeds, yet their power levels were only in the hundreds and thousand. By the end of the series power levels are in the hundreds of millions and eventually in the low billions. The higher your power level the more powerful your overall stats/speeds/durability etc. increases. In another instance Goku's Kamehameha reached the Sun in 25-30 seconds or so in base SSJ1 form, where light from the Sun would take 8 minutes 20 seconds to reach Earth. Throughout the series, past SSJ1, characters have dodged and reacted to the Kamehameha and blasts just as or if not more powerful.

Master Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 139 or so. Later into the series Perfect Cell was launching full blast attacks at SSJ2 Gohan who shrugged them off with ease, with Cell's power levels in the hundreds of millions we can only imagine how powerful those blasts would be, considering how Master Roshi blew up the moon with a 139 power level. An example of incredible durability.

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#203  Edited By UberHulk

@xiix: It is not nonsense. This is how weak his defence is, you claim that he doesn't have resilience "beyond what someone/anyone on his level would have" is disproved by Wonder Woman. Even Cyborg fares better.

His weakness to magic has been consistent in the New 52. Even Kingdom Come Superman, who has had greater exposure to the sun, shows this.

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@realitywarper: Bull, Sentry was practically exuberant when he went at WWH, his agoraphobia was what stopped him for getting out of his own front door for most of the event. Hence why you had this as one of the opening exchanges between Hulk and Sentry:

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Thats not a Sentry thats ready to run and hide under a rock or in a shed, I think you will agree.

He was in weakened state in the whole arc of WWH, means heretoo.

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Thanks for the laugh!

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@tanet62, case in point what we were discussing previously (I've been away from a computer until now); you-and many others-point out how Wonder Woman has had no problem standing up to MULTIPLE characters simullar,if not GREATER to Sentry (Superman, Captain Marvel, Power Girl, etc. etc.) and yet people defying common sense keep babbling about Sentry "choosing to be weak" or repeating like a parrot that Sentry is a "planet buster"-as if that innoculates him from Wonder Woman-when the characters she has tangled with are planet busters; AND the battle is H2H, a skill Sentry has demonstrated virtually NO skill at, and Wonder Woman has demonstrated NOTHING BUT since the moment she debuted.You either have to be a troll, a fanboy, or just WILLFULLY ignorant to keep lowballing and/or dismissing Diana in this fashion. "Liking" a character more than one is certainly everyone's freedom of choice; falsely claiming a character can beat another despite all evidence to the contrary BECAUSE you "like" them is a game I soon grow tired of.

Thanks for the double laugh. : )

Sentry is less skilled than Diana but outclasses her in all other areas, that's just common sense.

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#205  Edited By XiiX

@uberhulk: You said "she slit his throat with her tiara...." as though that were something to scoff at, and unless I missed a match, she hasn't 'slit his throat via her tiara' in the New-52. Pre-New 52 Wonder-Woman was the one pictured, and being discussed(best I'm aware), not New-52 or Kingdom Come.

Three different versions(of Superman), two of which have no bearing on the one addressed.

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@realitywarper, if you think Sentry "outclasses" Wonder Woman to such an extent that he can just walk all over her or something, thank YOU for the TRIPLE laugh; you popped up just in time to be a TEXTBOOK example of what I was talking about. What about "Wonder Woman has gone toe to toe with Superman-a man who can kick the "all strength, no strategy" Sentry's ass (Kal has made a CAREER of decimating people who were, on paper in his strength caliber) don't you understand. C'mon, you already admitted the obvious (Diana SMASHING him in the skill dept., and thus RIGHT THERE winning this contest per the OP's stipulations)-come on the rest of the way and admit that she beats him.

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@realitywarper, if you think Sentry "outclasses" Wonder Woman to such an extent that he can just walk all over her or something, thank YOU for the TRIPLE laugh; you popped up just in time to be a TEXTBOOK example of what I was talking about. What about "Wonder Woman has gone toe to toe with Superman-a man who can kick the "all strength, no strategy" Sentry's ass (Kal has made a CAREER of decimating people who were, on paper in his strength caliber) don't you understand. C'mon, you already admitted the obvious (Diana SMASHING him in the skill dept., and thus RIGHT THERE winning this contest per the OP's stipulations)-come on the rest of the way and admit that she beats him.

She is not even on Terrax level...

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#211  Edited By OkRaider88

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@jmarshmallow: And that proves what?,he has no special ax here,she is in his strength class and is a far better fighter than him.

No, TERRAX cut a planet in half in one blow with that axe, and yet Sentry stopped it effortlessly with one hand.

WW doesn't have the strength or durability to compete with that.

Jmarshmallow

QTF.

Diana is the superior warrior by leaps and bounds. That will keep her in the fight. But Bob's stats are too amped to allow him to die. You give Diana her highest showings, versus the same thing for Bob, and he outclasses her, the way that Superman would. Plus Bob can't die (by the end of Bendis' run with the character), so snapping his neck, or making him bleed out, is out of the question.

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#212  Edited By RealityWarper

@agent41 said:

@realitywarper said:

@theonewhoknows said:

@realitywarper, if you think Sentry "outclasses" Wonder Woman to such an extent that he can just walk all over her or something, thank YOU for the TRIPLE laugh; you popped up just in time to be a TEXTBOOK example of what I was talking about. What about "Wonder Woman has gone toe to toe with Superman-a man who can kick the "all strength, no strategy" Sentry's ass (Kal has made a CAREER of decimating people who were, on paper in his strength caliber) don't you understand. C'mon, you already admitted the obvious (Diana SMASHING him in the skill dept., and thus RIGHT THERE winning this contest per the OP's stipulations)-come on the rest of the way and admit that she beats him.

She is not even on Terrax level...

She doesn't lack the strength and durability to fight sentrey,stop understimating her.

Clearly I don't

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@agent41: @realitywarper: WW would beat Terrax just like Gamora did. Terrax is a constant Jobber. Terrax busted a planet. Cool. That does not mean that when he struck Sentry he was hitting with power to destroy a planet.

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Wonder Woman puts on a clinic.

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@pooty said:

@agent41: @realitywarper: WW would beat Terrax just like Gamora did. Terrax is a constant Jobber. Terrax busted a planet. Cool. That does not mean that when he struck Sentry he was hitting with power to destroy a planet.

Nooo he was trying to send him an invite to the restaurant.
Terrax is a gentleman. :)

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@agent41: Unfortunatly I don't underestimate her...

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@agent41: Unfortunatly I don't underestimate her...

Yes you do,like i said before she has fought bloodlusted planet busters,taken their best and hurt them with her own power and yet you think she can't even put up a fight against sentrey,you underestimate her a lot.

They were holding back too when they were destroying planets ?

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#224  Edited By RealityWarper

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@mysticmedivh: No there is no reason,WW alone has FTL relfexes,she would beat somebody like android 17,she has better reflexes,way more strength,more durable and a better fighter.

FTL reflexes are on Batman and Cap America level.

Not impressive.

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#225  Edited By RealityWarper

@realitywarper, if you think Sentry "outclasses" Wonder Woman to such an extent that he can just walk all over her or something, thank YOU for the TRIPLE laugh; you popped up just in time to be a TEXTBOOK example of what I was talking about. What about "Wonder Woman has gone toe to toe with Superman-a man who can kick the "all strength, no strategy" Sentry's ass (Kal has made a CAREER of decimating people who were, on paper in his strength caliber) don't you understand. C'mon, you already admitted the obvious (Diana SMASHING him in the skill dept., and thus RIGHT THERE winning this contest per the OP's stipulations)-come on the rest of the way and admit that she beats him.

If you are comfortable thinking that it is up to you but :

Sentry >>>>>>>> Superman

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#232  Edited By mysticmedivh

@agent41 said:

@mysticmedivh: No there is no reason,WW alone has FTL relfexes,she would beat somebody like android 17,she has better reflexes,way more strength,more durable and a better fighter.

Aaaaaaand you just disregarded absolutely everything and still stuck to Wonder Woman. I'm not going to bother trying to explain something to you.

Also, FTL reflex speeds?

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@outside_85: Wonder Woman has to be one of the most over-rated characters on this forum. PC Wonder Woman 111

New 52. Superman Wonder Woman 1 & 2. He hits here twice? Breaking her arms. Doomsday, is he even a planet-buster?

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#235  Edited By UberHulk

#@xiix: You said "she slit his throat with her tiara...." as though that were something to scoff at, and unless I missed a match, she hasn't 'slit his throat via her tiara' in the New-52. Pre-New 52 Wonder-Woman was the one pictured, and being discussed(best I'm aware), not New-52 or Kingdom Come.

Getting cut by a TIARA? That's not very manly is it? The op stated :

sentry is stable, wonder woman have pre and new 52 feats

So PC and new 52 feats and showings are relevant. As for magic here's more. Action Comics 23 :

In panel "Spells often TRUMP the difference between red and yellow suns that are the source of his powers"

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@agent41: Bad writing!??!? She's fighting Doomsday not The Penguin. If Doomsday kills Superman then he wipes the floor with Wonder Woman. This isn't a low showing. She couldn't move the Earth despite help from Superman and Martian Manhunter. What are her other strength and durability feats? She tanks nukes and what else? I see a lot of talk and a lot of hype and little in the way of substance.

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#238  Edited By Outside_85

@uberhulk: No, she is one of the most underrated because most people here fail to realize she is a mix of the raw power of Superman and the martial arts skill of Batman.

He was in weakened state in the whole arc of WWH, means heretoo.

Clearly he wasn't

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WW can definitely Dodge some of his attacks due to superior speed n reflex,but sentry s no slowpoke. He can hit her too if he's willing to, and his strength is more....

HIS PUNCHES WILL HURT HER MORE THAN HER PUNCHES HURTING HIM.

Durability wise, sentry is above WW.he can DEFINITELY TANK HER BEST SHOTS. But WW cannot hope to do it in return.

FOR EITHER SIDE,THIS IS NOT A STOMP. Strength durability vs speed n skill.

Sentry wins in end, coz in a boxing match...most important thing that matters is durability.

Sentry is above WW by a few degrees in that dept, so he wins.

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@agent41 said:

@mysticmedivh: Yes Wonder woman has faster than light reflexes,she can keep up with beings like android 17,she is also far stronger and durable,she has fought bloodlusted planet busters,taken their best and hurt them with her own power,you underestimate her a lot.

That's not what I asked for. I asked for scans that clearly show Wonder Woman with FTL reflexes/reaction speeds.

Also, tell me who some of these bloodlusted planet busters are? Don't give me names like Superman, only ones who have actually busted a planet in an on-panel feat.

DBZ characters have been capable of casual moon and planet busting early on in the series. Near the Cell saga we're already dealing with solar system busters. So we can say that DBZ characters such as Goku have dealt with far, far worse damage inflicted upon them.

In terms of speed I've already stated that Goku's Kamehameha reached the Sun in about 25-30 seconds (light takes 8 mintes 20 seconds to reach the Earth from the sun) when he was fairly new to being a Super Saiyan, not to mention that he was already a capable star buster (this was before the Andriods and after Namek).Characters have consistently dodged and tanked such blasts. Once we get into power levels near the end of the series that are in the hundreds of millions and billions, characters have speeds that far exceed light.

In terms of durability, Master Roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 139. Characters with power levels that exceed 1,000,000,000 have launched blasts that have been tanked by other top tier DBZ characters with similar power levels. Now what does that tell you?

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@agent41: absolutely not. But she will be down eventually. And, I don't think she can tank his Best shots, he can tank hers but not vice versa.

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Power of a thousand exploding stars. This enough said. Sentry. Although I really wish Sentry would die a horrible death. That character is too broken to live.

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#248  Edited By RealityWarper

@uberhulk: No, she is one of the most underrated because most people here fail to realize she is a mix of the raw power of Superman and the martial arts skill of Batman.

@realitywarper said:

He was in weakened state in the whole arc of WWH, means heretoo.

Clearly he wasn't

Clearly he was.
He was in weakened mental state.
He spend 29 hours standing in his doorway because he is agoraphobic and his powers are lowered when his mental state is lowered.

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@outside_85 said:

@uberhulk: No, she is one of the most underrated because most people here fail to realize she is a mix of the raw power of Superman and the martial arts skill of Batman.

@realitywarper said:

He was in weakened state in the whole arc of WWH, means heretoo.

Clearly he wasn't

Clearly he was.

He was in weakened mental state.

He spend 29 hours standing in his doorway because he is agoraphobic and his powers are lowered when his mental state is lowered.

He was weakened when inside is own house and to scared to get out of the door. He was not weakened once he made that move and overcame the fear.

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#250  Edited By RealityWarper

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@outside_85 said:

@uberhulk: No, she is one of the most underrated because most people here fail to realize she is a mix of the raw power of Superman and the martial arts skill of Batman.

@realitywarper said:

He was in weakened state in the whole arc of WWH, means heretoo.

Clearly he wasn't

Clearly he was.

He was in weakened mental state.

He spend 29 hours standing in his doorway because he is agoraphobic and his powers are lowered when his mental state is lowered.

He was weakened when inside is own house and to scared to get out of the door. He was not weakened once he made that move and overcame the fear.

Wrong again. He was scared by his powers and asked Hulk to stop him. He was weakened the whole arc. He was forced to attack the Hulk because he wanted to kill the heroes. He has no other choices.

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So it was never stated that he recovered from agoraphobia at that point or anything like that. He simply didn't have another choice and had to enter the fight to save the heroes.