Sentry vs Helspont

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One Hour Prep

Win Death, K.O or Surrender

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Sentry Can Turn Into The Void If Needed

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Haven't read any new 52. What are Supes New 52 Feats that put him in Sentry/Void level?

New 52 Helspont feats?

New 52 Helspont feats?

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Helspont

Helspont

Helspont would beat Sentry's a$$ with ease.

Helspont

well, unless Helspont can beat with ease a Cosmic Cube being, he has no chance against Sentry

Helspont

@czarny_samael666 said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

well, unless Helspont can beat with ease a Cosmic Cube being, he has no chance against Sentry

Sentry =/= Void. Void won with MM by molecule manipulation, not Sentry. Sentry never used it in battle.

this, but it was probably actually his healing factor that granted him the win. @Floopay explains it very nicely here http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-surfer-vs-sentryvoid/738314/?page=3

@CalebHara said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

well, unless Helspont can beat with ease a Cosmic Cube being, he has no chance against Sentry

Sentry =/= Void. Void won with MM by molecule manipulation, not Sentry. Sentry never used it in battle.

this, but it was probably actually his healing factor that granted him the win. @Floopay explains it very nicely here http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-surfer-vs-sentryvoid/738314/?page=3

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

2- just how healing is gonna make you beat someone???? healing is defensive act, how you gonna kill someone with healing!!!??? Sentry/Void defeated Molecule Man with matter manipulation, the same ability that Molecule Man use, he disintegrated him,

Sentry/Void >>>>>Molecule Man>>Cosmic Cubes. and that is not arguable. all evidences are in scans, no assumptions no speculations.

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

And Bruce Banner = Hulk, but people don't say Bruce is going to Smash anything, or that Hulk can beat anyone in chess, why would Void and Sentry be treated any differently if they were shown distinct power sets dependent on personality?

@drgnx said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

And Bruce Banner = Hulk, but people don't say Bruce is going to Smash anything, or that Hulk can beat anyone in chess, why would Void and Sentry be treated any differently if they were shown distinct power sets dependent on personality?

ok, so we agree on that.

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

2- just how healing is gonna make you beat someone???? healing is defensive act, how you gonna kill someone with healing!!!??? Sentry/Void defeated Molecule Man with matter manipulation, the same ability that Molecule Man use, he disintegrated him,

Defence can win a battle just as easily as offence can. In this case, it was defence that gave sentry the win. To explain, Sentry/Void has reality manipulating abilities that aren't on the level the MM's are IMO. Sentry/ Void made up for this lack of matter manipulation by his healing factor. This took away MM's ability to manipulate Sentry/ Void. He didn't win simply because he was more powerful, he won because Sentry/ Void could manipulate him and MM couldn't.

Sentry/ Void is powerful, but i don't think that that they are more powerful that the molecule man, especially in reality warping.

@CalebHara said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

2- just how healing is gonna make you beat someone???? healing is defensive act, how you gonna kill someone with healing!!!??? Sentry/Void defeated Molecule Man with matter manipulation, the same ability that Molecule Man use, he disintegrated him,

Defence can win a battle just as easily as offence can. In this case, it was defence that gave sentry the win. To explain, Sentry/Void has reality manipulating abilities that aren't on the level the MM's are IMO. Sentry/ Void made up for this lack of matter manipulation by his healing factor. This took away MM's ability to manipulate Sentry/ Void. He didn't win simply because he was more powerful, he won because Sentry/ Void could manipulate him and MM couldn't.

Sentry/ Void is powerful, but i don't think that that they are more powerful that the molecule man, especially in reality warping.

firstly let me point that you're confused between reality manipulation and matter manipulation, it's not the same thing.

i don't recall Sentry/Void using reality manipulation ever. Sentry/Void used matter manipulation to rebuild his body from nothing, it's like Dr Manhattan. he had nigh-absolute defense, so no one can kill him. that's why MM couldn't harm him, but you forgot to mention that Sentry used matter manipulation to control MM himself, he cought him. if Moleule Man as you say was stronger in matter manipulation he would have freed himself from Sentry's capture but he didn't MM couldn't understand how Sentry could surpass him and control his own molecules (MM's molecules).

it's a clear feat that Sentry is a more powerful matter manipulator than MM himself.

@the_mighty_Beyonder: i just read through that whole scene, and, although his healing factor had a huge impact, i guess you're right. That probably shouldn't have happened though IMO.

Oh and i know the difference between reality manipulation and matter manipulation, i just mixed the typing up :/

@czarny_samael666 said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

@CalebHara said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

well, unless Helspont can beat with ease a Cosmic Cube being, he has no chance against Sentry

Sentry =/= Void. Void won with MM by molecule manipulation, not Sentry. Sentry never used it in battle.

this, but it was probably actually his healing factor that granted him the win. @Floopay explains it very nicely here http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-surfer-vs-sentryvoid/738314/?page=3

no it's not.

1- Sentry = Void, they are the same person, a schizophrenic person with 3 personalities.

2- just how healing is gonna make you beat someone???? healing is defensive act, how you gonna kill someone with healing!!!??? Sentry/Void defeated Molecule Man with matter manipulation, the same ability that Molecule Man use, he disintegrated him,

Sentry/Void >>>>>Molecule Man>>Cosmic Cubes. and that is not arguable. all evidences are in scans, no assumptions no speculations.

Sentry never used mm in battle. And all times when he died, it was Void who resurect them, not Sentry.

He has only used MM twice, once in battle, once out of battle.

Void killed Loki with it.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@czarny_samael666: did you read all Sentry's releases? Sentry, Void, Robert Reynolds are the same person, a schizophrenic person with different powers for every personality.

@czarny_samael666:

The first use is commonly accepted as Sentry tapping into his Void persona, but not actually turning into the Void. Proof of this is in his actions, which are very contradictory to the Void's personality.

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

@czarny_samael666: did you read all Sentry's releases? Sentry, Void, Robert Reynolds are the same person, a schizophrenic person with different powers for every personality.

Void, Robert Reynolds, and Sentry are not the same person. He has a split personality, a very drastic one at that. At first it was classic, with the one persona being dominate and knowing the rest. But when they all became aware of the others, it created a classic struggle for power which can be expected in certain drastic situations. The application of limitless power doesn't help this struggle.

In a split personality, each separate personality is treated as a different person. Because realistically, they all have their own habits, ticks, quirks, etc. Whereas in less severe cases of schitzophrenia, bipolar, depression, and mania, an individual doesn't have a split in their personality, they just operate outside of their own base levels of emotion, usually characterized by going into extreme highs and extreme lows in their persona, and both can be very harmful to an individual.

So no, just because one personality can do something, doesn't mean the other can. They all have their own skills, habits, ticks, personalities, disorders, etc. We studied a very severe case of split personality, where a woman had 23 different personas. They could go so far as to change eye color (which is not uncommon, my eyes change color drastically depending on my mood or the time of day), some could cook whereas others could not, some could drive but others couldn't, one was a nurse, one was a librarian, one was going to college, etc. etc. To this day it is one of the most severe cases ever observed, and to some degree, cured. I can dig up the article and scan it if you'd like, or see if I can find it online.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay said:

@czarny_samael666:

The first use is commonly accepted as Sentry tapping into his Void persona, but not actually turning into the Void. Proof of this is in his actions, which are very contradictory to the Void's personality.

@the_mighty_Beyonder said:

@czarny_samael666: did you read all Sentry's releases? Sentry, Void, Robert Reynolds are the same person, a schizophrenic person with different powers for every personality.

Void, Robert Reynolds, and Sentry are not the same person. He has a split personality, a very drastic one at that. At first it was classic, with the one persona being dominate and knowing the rest. But when they all became aware of the others, it created a classic struggle for power which can be expected in certain drastic situations. The application of limitless power doesn't help this struggle.

In a split personality, each separate personality is treated as a different person. Because realistically, they all have their own habits, ticks, quirks, etc. Whereas in less severe cases of schitzophrenia, bipolar, depression, and mania, an individual doesn't have a split in their personality, they just operate outside of their own base levels of emotion, usually characterized by going into extreme highs and extreme lows in their persona, and both can be very harmful to an individual.

So no, just because one personality can do something, doesn't mean the other can. They all have their own skills, habits, ticks, personalities, disorders, etc. We studied a very severe case of split personality, where a woman had 23 different personas. They could go so far as to change eye color (which is not uncommon, my eyes change color drastically depending on my mood or the time of day), some could cook whereas others could not, some could drive but others couldn't, one was a nurse, one was a librarian, one was going to college, etc. etc. To this day it is one of the most severe cases ever observed, and to some degree, cured. I can dig up the article and scan it if you'd like, or see if I can find it online.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

thanks for the effort, but still, they are the same person, every personality with its powers, it they appeared in different bodies, well that's because of their powers, most likely matter manipulation made them be in two bodies but they still the same person. just imagine a schizophrenic person who can duplicate his body (let's say like the Multiple Man) wouldn't he have a different persona in every body? that's the same thing with Sentry.

Sentry because of Void.