Sentry vs Dr. Manhattan

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Dr. Manhattan doesn't hold back in this fight.

Sentry knows to Control all his power including the Void's powers.

The Match will be held near the Sun.

Bloodlust on.

I think it's a tie.

Sentry can only die if he wants.

@Rell127 said:

Sentry can only die if he wants.

That's the Beyonder.

I think it's a tie.

Sentry can only die if he wants.

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

@Illuminatus said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

Will people ever stop attempting to use that as a valid feat?

Most people will, Sentry fanboys won't. I mean, if Spider-Man's word was law then Morlun hits harder than Hulk. He said that too once.

@Illuminatus said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

Will people ever stop attempting to use that as a valid feat?

Most people will, Sentry fanboys won't. I mean, if Spider-Man's word was law then Morlun hits harder than Hulk. He said that too once.

Great two characters with almost no valid feats in battle against each other. This will be interesting.

@Illuminatus said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

Will people ever stop attempting to use that as a valid feat?

Most people will, Sentry fanboys won't. I mean, if Spider-Man's word was law then Morlun hits harder than Hulk. He said that too once.

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

@JediXMan said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Illuminatus said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

Will people ever stop attempting to use that as a valid feat?

Most people will, Sentry fanboys won't. I mean, if Spider-Man's word was law then Morlun hits harder than Hulk. He said that too once.

What people forget is that SHAMAN X-MAN WAS WITH SENTRY! That has to count for something.

True dat.

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

True dat.

@Blacktimus said:

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

Yes, because blowing up normal human beings is the same thing as destroying a superhuman with superhuman durability.

@JediXMan said:

@Blacktimus said:

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

Yes, because blowing up normal human beings is the same thing as destroying a superhuman with superhuman durability.

I don't see what would be the difference, and according to this omission:

@Illuminatus said:

@JediXMan said:

@Blacktimus said:

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

Yes, because blowing up normal human beings is the same thing as destroying a superhuman with superhuman durability.

Not to mention, a superhuman who was taken apart by Molecule Man and returned in perfect condition moments later.

Based on that, I can only conclude that if Molecule Man can take him apart, why wouldn't Dr Manhattan be able to? I think Dr Manhattan overall with his power set and limitless stamina and energy production, I don't see him losing in any way. Based on the OP however it probably would be a stalemate since Sentry would simply keep coming back after death, where as Dr Manhattan won't die at all.

@JediXMan said:

@Blacktimus said:

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

Yes, because blowing up normal human beings is the same thing as destroying a superhuman with superhuman durability.

I don't see what would be the difference, and according to this omission:

@Illuminatus said:

@JediXMan said:

@Blacktimus said:

I believe this would happen to Sentry.

Yes, because blowing up normal human beings is the same thing as destroying a superhuman with superhuman durability.

Not to mention, a superhuman who was taken apart by Molecule Man and returned in perfect condition moments later.

Based on that, I can only conclude that if Molecule Man can take him apart, why wouldn't Dr Manhattan be able to? I think Dr Manhattan overall with his power set and limitless stamina and energy production, I don't see him losing in any way. Based on the OP however it probably would be a stalemate since Sentry would simply keep coming back after death, where as Dr Manhattan won't die at all.

• Manhattan has never faced a single foe with superpowers, so I doubt he would have an easy time taking an experienced hero like Sentry, with his Void powers, down. 
• Manhattan doesn't have the feats to suggest he can even keep up with Sentry, who is a light-speeder.
• This battle is ultimately pointless, seeing as the OP has made it impossible for either side to emerge victorious.

@JediXMan: I'm not saying there's no difference. I'm just saying for someone like Dr Manhattan there wouldn't be much of one.

Yes I am comparing them because they have a similar power basis to a point. If MM can tear Sentry apart, why can't Dr Manhattan simply make him blow up like he did those humans? I can see if it was like Superman, who has proven that he is indestructible all the way down to the molecular and subatomic level, but Sentry is not Superman, and it has been proven that he can be affected on this level, even by a far weaken version of a character as you just stated. I'm not questioning his durability, I'm sure it's quite fine. I'm just saying with the powers Dr Manhattan possess I don't see why it matters when it's been proving he can't handle molecular manipulation.

I win :)

@Illuminatus:

A retconned Molecule Man can hang with Sentry but I'm to understand that Dr Manhattan cannot? That doesn't particularly make sense to me.

Even if moving a light speed, I don't really see how Sentry is hurting him, who's proven he can come back after essentially being destroyed on a molecular level.

But yes I agree, with the OP being the way it is it is pretty impossible for either side to win, I'm just favoring Dr Manhattan.

@JediXMan: I'm not saying there's no difference. I'm just saying for someone like Dr Manhattan there wouldn't be much of one.

Yes I am comparing them because they have a similar power basis to a point. If MM can tear Sentry apart, why can't Dr Manhattan simply make him blow up like he did those humans? I can see if it was like Superman, who has proven that he is indestructible all the way down to the molecular and subatomic level, but Sentry is not Superman, and it has been proven that he can be affected on this level, even by a far weaken version of a character as you just stated. I'm not questioning his durability, I'm sure it's quite fine. I'm just saying with the powers Dr Manhattan possess I don't see why it matters when it's been proving he can't handle molecular manipulation.

• As I said before, Manhattan have never fought a human who was superhuman. We have no idea if Manhattan's powers would even be powerful enough to work on Sentry.  
• Molecule Man has more than enough feats to suggest he's more powerful and skilled with his powers, particularly the pre-retcon version of the character, but he's not important in this scenario. 
• Sentry's "Void powers" also grant him molecular manipulation, amongst other odd powers. He took Molecule Man apart and made him beg for his life.

@JediXMan said:

@CitizenBane said:

True dat.

For all we know, Sentry went out and bought drinks while X-Man stalemated Galactus solo. The fanboy in me would love it if that were canon....

You and I both, man.

@Illuminatus:

A retconned Molecule Man can hang with Sentry but I'm to understand that Dr Manhattan cannot? That doesn't particularly make sense to me.

Even if moving a light speed, I don't really see how Sentry is hurting him, who's proven he can come back after essentially being destroyed on a molecular level.

But yes I agree, with the OP being the way it is it is pretty impossible for either side to win, I'm just favoring Dr Manhattan.

@Illuminatus: I can concede that Dr Manhattan has never used his power on a superhuman before. But it can't be ignored the other abilities he possessed that would leave it very likely that he could. Like creating an atmosphere on Mars so that Silk Spectre didn't die, or actually constructing the complex monstrosity that he did on Mars. He has at the minimum an ability to see into the future and even someone's past. His future sight was blocked do to an invention of Ozymandias, which is the only reason he didn't see what was going to happen next. He has the feats to show that he can hang with superhumans, but because there are none other than himself, that makes them invalid? I would tend to disagree there. However we both agree that it's essentially a stalemate, all this other debating is nothing more than semantics on things we don't want to concede on.

@Illuminatus: I can concede that Dr Manhattan has never used his power on a superhuman before. But it can't be ignored the other abilities he possessed that would leave it very likely that he could. Like creating an atmosphere on Mars so that Silk Spectre didn't die, or actually constructing the complex monstrosity that he did on Mars. He has at the minimum an ability to see into the future and even someone's past. His future sight was blocked do to an invention of Ozymandias, which is the only reason he didn't see what was going to happen next. He has the feats to show that he can hang with superhumans, but because there are none other than himself, that makes them invalid? I would tend to disagree there. However we both agree that it's essentially a stalemate, all this other debating is nothing more than semantics on things we don't want to concede on.

@Illuminatus: Good day indeed. it was a pleasure matching wits and debating for the short amount of time that we did.

@JediXMan: I'm not saying there's no difference. I'm just saying for someone like Dr Manhattan there wouldn't be much of one.

Yes I am comparing them because they have a similar power basis to a point. If MM can tear Sentry apart, why can't Dr Manhattan simply make him blow up like he did those humans? I can see if it was like Superman, who has proven that he is indestructible all the way down to the molecular and subatomic level, but Sentry is not Superman, and it has been proven that he can be affected on this level, even by a far weaken version of a character as you just stated. I'm not questioning his durability, I'm sure it's quite fine. I'm just saying with the powers Dr Manhattan possess I don't see why it matters when it's been proving he can't handle molecular manipulation.

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

He did. Spider-Man was not lying to himself.

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

He did. Spider-Man was not lying to himself.

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Rell127 said:

Sentry is mentally stable in this fight he's in the same mind- set when he fought glactus.

Except he didn't.

He did. Spider-Man was not lying to himself.

Spider-Man has said plenty of dubious things in the past. Many characters have. Sentry did not fight Galactus.

@Illuminatus said:

Could it not have been sarcasm?

Not in the context of the issue, no.

I think the feat is worthless because we never saw how the fight played out but it does not change that he actually did it, under whatever circumstances.

@CitizenBane said:

Spider-Man has said plenty of dubious things in the past. Many characters have. Sentry did not fight Galactus.

Okay where did he say something along those lines that was proven to be bullsh!t?

I do not care about other characters. Show me proof that Spider-Man was lying.... to himself.

@Illuminatus said:

Could it not have been sarcasm?

Not in the context of the issue, no.

I think the feat is worthless because we never saw how the fight played out but it does not change that he actually did it, under whatever circumstances.

@Illuminatus said:

@Erik said:

@Illuminatus said:

Could it not have been sarcasm?

Not in the context of the issue, no.

I think the feat is worthless because we never saw how the fight played out but it does not change that he actually did it, under whatever circumstances.

Galactus could've been starved to death, and Sentry probably hit him with a few energy blasts. I really don't see how Sentry would survive a fight with Big G.

Like I said, the feat is worthless due to lack of knowledge on the circumstances but it still happened.

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

Spider-Man has said plenty of dubious things in the past. Many characters have. Sentry did not fight Galactus.

Okay where did he say something along those lines that was proven to be bullsh!t?

I do not care about other characters. Show me proof that Spider-Man was lying.... to himself.

He claimed Morlun hits harder than Hulk. Everyone and their mother knows that's BS. Didn't stop Spidey from saying it.

@Illuminatus said:

@Erik said:

@Illuminatus said:

Could it not have been sarcasm?

Not in the context of the issue, no.

I think the feat is worthless because we never saw how the fight played out but it does not change that he actually did it, under whatever circumstances.

Galactus could've been starved to death, and Sentry probably hit him with a few energy blasts. I really don't see how Sentry would survive a fight with Big G.

Like I said, the feat is worthless due to lack of knowledge on the circumstances but it still happened.

@CitizenBane said:

He claimed Morlun hits harder than Hulk. Everyone and their mother knows that's BS. Didn't stop Spidey from saying it.

Issue reference for context? I have all Spider-Man's issues so I am going to verify.

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

He claimed Morlun hits harder than Hulk. Everyone and their mother knows that's BS. Didn't stop Spidey from saying it.

Issue reference for context? I have all Spider-Man's issues so I am going to verify.

Amazing Spider-Man #526. He stated, and I quote directly, "Never been hit that hard. And I've gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk."

Not to mention that if what he says is true and Morlun hits him harder than any foe he's ever faced, that means Morlun hits harder than Thor and Firelord.

@CitizenBane said:

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

He claimed Morlun hits harder than Hulk. Everyone and their mother knows that's BS. Didn't stop Spidey from saying it.

Issue reference for context? I have all Spider-Man's issues so I am going to verify.

Amazing Spider-Man #526. He stated, and I quote directly, "Never been hit that hard. And I've gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk."

Not to mention that if what he says is true and Morlun hits him harder than any foe he's ever faced, that means Morlun hits harder than Thor and Firelord.

That is NOT saying Morlun hits as hard as the Hulk. That is stating that Morlun hit him harder than Hulk has hit him, which is entirely possible. If Hulk ever hit Spider-Man as hard as he can, Spider-Man would be nothing but mist. This carries over to your Thor (who has admitted to holding back a great deal against mortals plenty of times) and Firelord examples.

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

He claimed Morlun hits harder than Hulk. Everyone and their mother knows that's BS. Didn't stop Spidey from saying it.

Issue reference for context? I have all Spider-Man's issues so I am going to verify.

Amazing Spider-Man #526. He stated, and I quote directly, "Never been hit that hard. And I've gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk."

Not to mention that if what he says is true and Morlun hits him harder than any foe he's ever faced, that means Morlun hits harder than Thor and Firelord.

That is NOT saying Morlun hits as hard as the Hulk. That is stating that Morlun hit him harder than Hulk has hit him. If Hulk ever hit Spider-Man as hard as he can, Spider-Man would be nothing but mist. This carries over to your Thor (who has admitted to holding back a great deal against mortals plenty of times) and Firelord.

How does Spider-Man judge how much force an opponent puts behind his blows? Hulk was enraged when he fought Spider-Man and his different forms have different levels of strength. But even his base form hits harder than Morlun. If he was enraged it logically implies that he was hitting Spider-Man as hard as that form permitted. Thor was Hulked-out when he attacked Spider-Man, he was enraged as well and even lost control of Mjolnir because he tried to murder Spider-Man. Same goes for Firelord.

@Illuminatus said:

@CitizenBane said:

Most people will, Sentry fanboys won't. I mean, if Spider-Man's word was law then Morlun hits harder than Hulk. He said that too once.

That Peter Parker is sucha' joker.

Wellm it doesn't have to be a joke, Spider-man did fought against Thor and he has fought againt Hulk, but he has never fought against them at full potential, Morlun WANTED to kill Peter, and Thor probably just wanted to stop him...

@CitizenBane said:

How does Spider-Man judge how much force an opponent puts behind his blows? Hulk was enraged when he fought Spider-Man and his different forms have different levels of strength. But even his base form hits harder than Morlun. If he was enraged it logically implies that he was hitting Spider-Man as hard as that form permitted. Thor was Hulked-out when he attacked Spider-Man, he was enraged as well and even lost control of Mjolnir because he tried to murder Spider-Man. Same goes for Firelord.

• Probably the same way you do. By getting his face punched in.
• Hulk's base form CAN hit harder than Morlun. That does not mean that he has hit Spider-Man at those levels. Even at his base form, a solid hit would murder Spider-Man. How logical is it that Spider-Man survived a many times 100+ ton hit when he himself tops out at 25 tons on his best day? It is like expecting a fresh out of the womb baby to survive a hit from a professional boxer.
• Does not mean Spider-Man was hit by any of those three as hard as they could. If you seriously think Spider-Man could tank a hit from any one of those guys at full strength, then we have bigger problems than whether or not Sentry stalemated Galactus.

Firelord never hit Peter in their battle. Not familiar with the Thor fight. Not really sure how hard Morlun hits, but the only two people I know if to tear adamantium netting are he and Hulk. I, persnally, am cool with Erik's explanation.

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

How does Spider-Man judge how much force an opponent puts behind his blows? Hulk was enraged when he fought Spider-Man and his different forms have different levels of strength. But even his base form hits harder than Morlun. If he was enraged it logically implies that he was hitting Spider-Man as hard as that form permitted. Thor was Hulked-out when he attacked Spider-Man, he was enraged as well and even lost control of Mjolnir because he tried to murder Spider-Man. Same goes for Firelord.

• Probably the same way you do. By getting his face punched in.
• Hulk's base form CAN hit harder than Morlun. That does not mean that he has hit Spider-Man at those levels. Even at his base form, a solid hit would murder Spider-Man. How logical is it that Spider-Man survived a many times 100+ ton hit when he himself tops out at 25 tons on his best day? It is like expecting a fresh out of the womb baby to survive a hit from a professional boxer.
• Does not mean Spider-Man was hit by any of those three as hard as they could. If you seriously think Spider-Man could tank a hit from any one of those guys at full strength, then we have bigger problems than whether or not Sentry stalemated Galactus.

You can get your face punched in and still have no clue whether your opponent was giving it his all or not.

I don't need to think or consider anything. Thor was hitting Spidey hard enough that Mjolnir abandoned him because he was about to murder Peter. I believe that Thor hits harder than Morlun. There is evidence backing that. And therefore his statement that Morlun has hit him hardest when that blow didn't even KO him makes no sense whatsoever.

@CitizenBane said:

You can get your face punched in and still have no clue whether your opponent was giving it his all or not.

I don't need to think or consider anything. Thor was hitting Spidey hard enough that Mjolnir abandoned him because he was about to murder Peter. I believe that Thor hits harder than Morlun. There is evidence backing that. And therefore his statement that Morlun has hit him hardest when that blow didn't even KO him makes no sense whatsoever.

• That is very true. But Spider-Man did not say that Morlun hit him harder than Hulk is capable of hitting, only that he was hit harder than Hulk ever hit him.
• About to murder Spider-Man is not full strength. Understand, Thor is also many times 100 ton strength. A single full strength hit would kill Spider-Man. That is all there is to it.