" @Morpheus_ said:The Sentry is a self restricted being, in itself, and yes, the terms are not interchangeable. Which is why different threads exist for him as Sentry, and as Void, or with access to the powers of both at once, without getting locked." @Push said:So, this is a limited version of Sentry, not using all his powers? "" @MKF30 said:We haven't seen Sentry in Siege. It's the Void. ""I would not put Superman ahead of Sentry now, especially if you've read Siege! Atom has no chance. "Captain Atom here I'm pretty certain would win, he's gone toe to toe at times with Superman and many other opponents far tougher then Sentry.
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Sentry vs Captain Atom
"@MKF30 said:"I would not put Superman ahead of Sentry now, especially if you've read Siege! Atom has no chance. "Captain Atom here I'm pretty certain would win, he's gone toe to toe at times with Superman and many other opponents far tougher then Sentry.
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I would ;) but I would say it also depends on which versions...SA Supes would kill any version of Sentry(let's be honest lol) now if you want to use current Superman vs. the updated Sentry, that might be interesting...
@Static, sorry lol I was referring to the show :P I thought he fought him a few times in the comics...guess not.
BTW, which versions are we using here anyway? Normal/current Superman vs. current Sentry? Or most powerful versions of both?
" More to the point, what is Atom gonna do to Sentry?? Thor's best shots had little effect, MM got taken out with ease! Atom aint stepping up to them, especially MM! "Molecule Man was taken out by a Void-possessed Sentry, thus granting him the ability to manipulate molecules. Without the Void, Sentry may not be able to pull that off. Even if he tried to use the same tactic here, it wouldn't work. IIRC, Hank Hall (who was Monarch at the time) attempted to disperse the molecules of all organic beings in New York (using the power of a neutron bomb to do it). While the tactic was working on everyone else, Atom was unaffected by it.
Also, the Molecule Man that Sentry defeated wasn't as powerful as his Pre-Retcon version.
It's OK, buddy. Atom has fought Superman in comics, but with the help of Power Girl, Black Lightning, Major Force, Katana, and Starfire. Technically, the whole fight was PIS, and Batman and Superman should have never been able to win that fight. Besides, Jeph Loeb was writing it and he downplayed the whole team just to make Superman and Batman look good. Between Atom and Superman, all we see is Atom getting hit with the heat vision, but Atom didn't even seem significantly affected by it. Atom was later able to KO Superman by channeling his Quantum energies through a kryptonite ring. However, it wasn't really much of a fight, and Atom needed the ring to easily KO Superman there."@Static, sorry lol I was referring to the show :P I thought he fought him a few times in the comics...guess not. BTW, which versions are we using here anyway? Normal/current Superman vs. current Sentry? Or most powerful versions of both? "
To date, Superman and Captain Atom have never had an official one-on-one battle.
" @Push said:" @Morpheus_ said:The Sentry is a self restricted being, in itself, and yes, the terms are not interchangeable. Which is why different threads exist for him as Sentry, and as Void, or with access to the powers of both at once, without getting locked. "" @Push said:So, this is a limited version of Sentry, not using all his powers? "" @MKF30 said:We haven't seen Sentry in Siege. It's the Void. ""I would not put Superman ahead of Sentry now, especially if you've read Siege! Atom has no chance. "Captain Atom here I'm pretty certain would win, he's gone toe to toe at times with Superman and many other opponents far tougher then Sentry.
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This is where it confuses me with Sentry, so, i'm just gonna stay out of this, cause i'm no expert.
" This is where it confuses me with Sentry, so, i'm just gonna stay out of this, cause i'm no expert. "Fair enough. The confusion originates from the fact that both characters (if we consider Sentry and Void as different characters) have undergone through significant changes and have had several different versions in a very short time frame.
"@MKF30 said:It's OK, buddy. Atom has fought Superman in comics, but with the help of Power Girl, Black Lightning, Major Force, Katana, and Starfire. Technically, the whole fight was PIS, and Batman and Superman should have never been able to win that fight. Besides, Jeph Loeb was writing it and he downplayed the whole team just to make Superman and Batman look good. Between Atom and Superman, all we see is Atom getting hit with the heat vision, but Atom didn't even seem significantly affected by it. Atom was later able to KO Superman by channeling his Quantum energies through a kryptonite ring. However, it wasn't really much of a fight, and Atom needed the ring to easily KO Superman there. To date, Superman and Captain Atom have never had an official one-on-one battle. ""@Static, sorry lol I was referring to the show :P I thought he fought him a few times in the comics...guess not. BTW, which versions are we using here anyway? Normal/current Superman vs. current Sentry? Or most powerful versions of both? "
Ahh ok, so the movie animated film was based on that story then...it seemed more beleivable in the movie IMO then the comic I just looked that up with the story, apparently some fans had a beef with that lol. The only way I can see is with prep and Bats/Supes didn't seem to have much of it...especially in the movie from what I saw. I loved it, have all the DC original films.
In the cartoon series(which yes capall that's what I was referring to earlier dude :) they fought one on one if you saw that way back Static? Superman won but it was the animated versions, what I found funny was the animated version of Superman was toned down...(having a suit to breath in space? lol)
" Ahh ok, so the movie animated film was based on that story then...it seemed more beleivable in the movie IMO then the comic I just looked that up with the story, apparently some fans had a beef with that lol. The only way I can see is with prep and Bats/Supes didn't seem to have much of it...especially in the movie from what I saw. I loved it, have all the DC original films. In the cartoon series(which yes capall that's what I was referring to earlier dude :) they fought one on one if you saw that way back Static? Superman won but it was the animated versions, what I found funny was the animated version of Superman was toned down...(having a suit to breath in space? lol) "Public Enemies was pretty good. The fight that Supes and Cap in JLU was amazing, too. I didn't like that version of Captain Atom, because it seemed as if he was nothing but a typical energy manipulator and he wasn't versatile. Oh, well. McDuffie wrote a majority of the JLU episodes, so I'm not surprised. There was a time when Superman needed help to lift a firetruck.
Which one was that? In JLU? With the firetruck? lol wow...yeah that's kind of nonsense too if you ask me.
Yeah, I noticed after reading up on CA at the time(Superman was obviously toned down to begin with via the animated series JL, JLU and SM:A) but I also noticed CA has time travelling abilities, is more versatile like you said in the comics and his bio explains this...for some reason they seemed to limit a few characters powers in the animated series while in others "increase them" like in Amazo's case.
" @Ferro Vida: when has MM been seen since the 80's? when did he get depowered? what level is he at now? i must have missed it. "The fact that he was able to fight Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but then lose to Void-Sentry, who using an ability that's a part of Molecule Man's power-set would suggest that he was depowered in some way.
" @Static Shock: ok, ok i can see where your coming from. but answer this. if the only proof that MM has been depowered is losing to Void-Sentry... could it mean that Void-Sentry has been EMPOWERED to a level above where MM has ever been? Hmmmmmm "It's very iffy. I don't wanna say that Void-Sentry is greater than that of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, because we haven't seen Void-Sentry operate at that level.
" @Static Shock: ok, ok i can see where your coming from. but answer this. if the only proof that MM has been depowered is losing to Void-Sentry... could it mean that Void-Sentry has been EMPOWERED to a level above where MM has ever been? Hmmmmmm "Molecule Man was depowered in the early 90s, under the same retcon which implied that the Beyonder was the result of a cosmic cube, instead of the omnipotent being we originally knew, and the events of the Secret Wars were but an illusion.
So no, the Sentry is very much below PR Molecule Man's level.
" @Static Shock:@Morpheus_: i was just joking with Static Shock. i wanted to see if i could get him to say Void was more powerful than Beyonder. Almost had him(: but really a cosmic cube is pretty powerful. if this equation is wrong correct it: Captain Atom<Cosmic Cube/MM<Void/Sentry "
There's more, actually. Molecule Man combined with the Beyonder to complete the cube, and that resulted in the birth of Kosmos, but also the expulsion of MM from that union, shortly afterwards. So his current power level does not equate the power of a cosmic cube, and is pretty much questionable, in general.
" @Morpheus_: Thus, the equation is inconclusive. "Taking the most recent retcon into account (concerning the Beyonder being a mutant Inhuman, no less), not only it is inconclusive, but absolutely impossible to solve at this point, since everything pre (current) retcon, makes no nearly no sense anymore.
I guess Captain Atom would win 10/10
Atom's feat with creating a universe tops ANY feat Sentry has. Creating a universe is an unbeatable matter manipulation feat
@postacrat: Thor would also slow down Superman and Captain Atom considerably, this is a logical fallacy.
Superman level strength, invulnerability, flight, and absorption of radiation. I've never seen that "created a universe" scan. Badass.
I think that Captain Atom has a good chance to beat Sentry. Remember that the Sentry demonstrated (well, his feats demonstrated) that he has the capability of destroy a Solar System in his peak, but, Captain Atom's feats demonstrated that he is able of destroy a universe i his peak, so, i really think (thanks of this information) that Captain Atom is able to beat Sentry.
Before make any bad comment about this, please visite vsbattles.wikia.com
There i found the information about the characters.
Atom wrecks him.
Captain Atom's feats demonstrated that he is able of destroy a universe i his peak
That universe he created and later destroyed was inside the Quantum Field, a pocket dimension that is the source of his powers. It wasn't in normal space. Unless he's within the Quantum Field, he's unable to do this. I
By feats atom wins by a lot I really don't see how sentury could win if you know that please tell me
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