This battle sentry is at full power,the million suns,full void powers everything written about him NO PIS,he fights are full potential!!. All players are in the pictures below. Fight in nyc,start 1 mile apart.
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Sentry Vs Avengers/Justice League
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@enzeru said:
@lvenger said:
With Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman and Wally West capable of soloing Sentry along with Hulk and Thor who've fought evenly with the Sentry, I think you've bumped this thread for the wrong reasons if you're trying to prove Sentry can win this one. He loses horribly to the combined forces of the Avengers and the Justice League.
The only two factors in this fight are Flash and Martian Manhunter and even that for other reasons, than you might think.
Flash, because he can use the tactic to do one step in front of the other at the speed of light in the opposite direction and Martian Manhunter, because he can turn invisible and intangible and flee back to Mars.
Basically everyone on this battlefield is a non-factor, because they will get hit by shadowy tentacles and then spend a lot of time crying in vain:
Batman
will see the death of his parents.
Aquaman
will see the death of his son by the hands of Black Manta.
Superman
will see the destruction of his planet and he will see Lois Lane lying dead in front of him, with her blood on his hands.
Thor
will see his murdered father and Loki with Sif in his hands being the new king of Asgard.
Captain America
will see his precious America being overrun by Red Skull's Nazi regime. No more freedom and American Way.
And so on. Everyone has inner demons and Void lets you experience the pain of your past, your present and your future.
No one on the team can really do something against Void's attacks, which render them helpless immediately.
Ah you're the guy who writes those Sentry FAQs. Always with something to prove. Lol at your pitiful misunderstandings of Wally and Manhunter. Let me educate you on how they solo Sentry easily.
First up, Wally. I'll provide 3 simple arguments why Wally wins.
- The INSANE speed advantage Wally has over Sentry. For example, here Wally evacuates the entire population of North Korea in less than 0.0000001 microseconds.
Now ignore the hair breadth speed of light quote. Actual calculations have been done on this feat and Wally's speed for this feat clocks in at around about 13 trillion times the speed of light on average. He can accelerate to FTL speeds in an instant and travel to the end of time itself. He'll attack Void before he can even blink.
2. The Infinite Mass Punch - Quite frankly, Wally can hit much harder than Void can even dream of. Here's the classic feat in action:
Zoom, a character who has powers similar to Flash has fought Wonder Woman and she's commented that Zoom hits far harder than Superman, who can definitely give the Void something to chew on with his moon busting striking power
And for the cherry on top, he was the only character to ever shatter the armour of the Anti Monitor when the combined forces of the Pre Crisis heroes, including Pre Crisis Superman who is ridiculously powerful only scored glancing blows on the Anti Monitor. But Wally ripped straight through the Anti Monitor's armour. He didn't beat him because he couldn't get at the anti matter which powers the monitor but that is the Void's chances of winning down the drain
3. Finally, we have the speed steal. This technique of Wally's allows him to lend speed to others or take it away from them. Here he turns Inertia, another speedster into a lifeless statue
Void has no counter for that to my knowledge. As for MM, I'll leave this thread for you so you can see exactly what he's capable of. Please do try to learn more about all the characters involved before placing your bets on the Sentry. It helps me save time on writing this comprehensive post showing you why Sentry/Void loses: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/citizenbane/blog/martian-manhunter-respect-thread/85677/
@enzeru said:
God, I hate that feat so much, because of its stupidity, but yeah, DC Comics, right?
However some of Sentry's feats are questionable as well.
1. Because he differs on a molecular level from other beings, he has limitless strenght and speed:
Limitless? Please do give me a break, Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>statements and Sentry doesn't have the feats to back that up. He's extremely strong and fast, that much is true but he has no proof of having unlimited strength and speed. It's the same for Hulk in that department too. He's supposed to have unlimited strength but there's always a bar we can measure them by. And Sentry's speed bar<<<<<Wally's speed bar. You can hate that feat all you want but I have more to prove Wally>>>>>>>>>>Sentry in speed.
@enzeru said:
You're talking about Sentry / Void like they're slow. Sentry's S.H.I.E.L.D. files (so that's not even a bio, but information about the character in the Universe itself) state that he has limitless strenght and speed and on top of that we now also have other feats to back that up to a degree:
What happens after Sentry grabs Thor is that Wolverine falls to the ground, rolls around a little bit and gets eaten by a giant worm.
During that short timespan Sentry travels many lightyears. He bends space and time and even overpowers Thor with the velocity, who was already traveling with speeds beyond light before, but he couldn't handle Sentry's speed.
On top of that it can be argued that Sentry was holding back the entire time, since he didn't want to kill Thor and was holding back.
"BUT ENZERU, SENTRY GAINED THE APOCALYPSE UPGRADE AND IS THEREFORE MORE POWERFUL THAN BEFORE!"
That is indeed correct, but it was also stated that he has limitless strenght and speed. It has been stated over and over again and we've seen him traveling from Earth to the Sun in a matter of seconds and from the Earth to Saturn during one scream, which is a much larger distance than from the Earth to the Sun.
And there he travels MANY lightyears (and I wouldn't consider many to be 10-12 ... I guess it's more, but it's just a guess, so whatever). One lightyear has over 9,5 billion kilometers and he travels that distance in a matter of moments, while probably still holding back, because of Thor's inability to handle the velocity.
And you're saying me that he wouldn't stand a chance against the Flash in the speed department?
But then again, 13 trillion times the speed of light ... it's stupid, but it's there and it's an over the top feat. Nice.
Oh boy, let me get the laughs out of my system. (Ahem) Now that I've done that, let me tell you've made rookie error number one on the battle forum. TRAVEL SPEED IS NOT THE SAME AS COMBAT SPEED. That's in nice big capital letters so you see how mistaken you are. What you have just posted is a travel speed feat. That's all well and good but in that time, Sentry TRAVELLED with Thor to that far away planet. He didn't land a gajillion hits on him or even fight with him in that time. He flew him to another planet. That is a clear travel speed, not combat speed. Wally has thrown thousands of punches in less than a second during a fight with Zoom. And in that first IMP feat I posted, you'll also see he said he could have hit Zum a thousand times before Zum blinked. Again, please, I implore you, read the damn scans before replying and please remember the golden rule that travel speed is not the same as combat speed. Sentry wasn't fighting at that speed, only travelling at it.
@enzeru said:
Saying that Superman could do anything to the Void is just silly. Silly, silly, silly.
Thor, who is most likely the better striker than Thor, thanks to his own strenght and additionally to the the increased impact due to Mjolnir didn't do anything to the Void, even though not holding back and hitting him with everything he got.
Hitting harder than Superman is nothing special. Once again, the limitless strenght argument for the Sentry. He punched Thor so hard, that the entire world (19 billion residents) felt it and he was most likely still holding back in order not to kill him.
Please, I am to Superman as what you are to Sentry. I know what he's capable of. Superman's punches have shockwaves to them too and have caused earthquakes from his mere striking power. Don't overestimate Sentry and underestimate Superman to fit your flawed argument. And yes, I admit Thor has better striking feats than Superman with Mjolnir. And please stop with the unlimited strength argument. Saying it enough times will only convince you, not people who want feats to back it up.
@enzeru said:
Busting a moon with a strike is nothing that World War Hulk couldn't replicate and a depowered Sentry took on World War Hulk and was willingly tanking his punches with the face and smiling about it, asking for more. Superman wouldn't give the Void anything to chew.
Also Sentry and Void are far, far, far, far beyond the level of simple planetary destruction. Especially the Sentry got portrayed as someone with more power even in weakened states than other planet-busters.
Ah so this is the part where you show me Sentry and Void's planet busting feats? What's that? There aren't any quantifiable ones? Oh what a shame you can't back up what you're saying with proper feats. Such a shame.
@enzeru said:
But neither Void, nor Sentry are Anti-Monitor.
They both have their own advantages. The entire argument that speeks for the Flash is his speed and that's what also helped him in the fight against Anti-Monitor.
If I was an ass I could say that to pull off something like that would make Flash disappear, while Void would simply return back.
But I don't care about that tactic, because it's much more simple:
You're talking about physical damage, while we have never seen the Void being challenged in that department, besides when he was fighting against the Sentry, who has limitless strenght and speed, when somewhat at his peak.
Void has already shown intangibility. Flash would have to vibrate him back and at the same time to attack him, that's should be enough time for the Void to strike and all it takes is one attack from the Void and you're done.
Right now you could say that Flash could vibrate his molecules out of Void's control, but you can't really back that claim up against someone like the Void, who had the control over the master of the molecules himself and at the same time I can't make the argument, that Flash couldn't do it, because 13 trillion times the speed of light yaaay DC Comics.
You're still relying on the limitless fallacy? How quaint. Shame I debunked it earlier on. So that leaves us with Wally actually being the one to possess damn near unlimited speed and outclassing the Sentry by a mile along with being an expert at vibrating his molecules and being able to have entire fights in less than a second. Yeah I think it's clear who'll do more damage to you don't you? Unless you're going to be biased to Sentry like you are in your FAQs?
@enzeru said:
The same question still remains... can you speed-steal someone, who has access to limitless speed? It doesn't sound to me like someone who is supposed to have limitless power cares all too much about kinetic energy.
The way I see their fight is a scenario, where it's all about who gets the first shot, IF Flash would be able to speed-steal the Void, which I personally doubt, but I have less proof to back my claim up, so it's simply more about the first shot. And due to the Void's versatility and overall physical attributes, which you underestimate massivly I give the Void the victory, because there are simply too many questions, which need answers: What if Void sees Flash coming? Can Flash get past force fields, which are based on molecule manipulation? Can Void stop Flash at the spot via molecule manipulation? Can Flash phase through Void's already intangible tentacles? What if Flash touches the Void and gets mind-raped through that? Can Flash reach Void, who flys around and has tentacles all over the place, even on the ground, since he is a powerful shapeshifter as well?
But these are questions over questions, because speed-steal is that stupid.
Wally will have handed Sentry his ass before the Void can even blink. He's done it to far faster people than the Sentry and WILL get the first shot in, I can guarantee that. You claim to know these characters yet these arguments reek of ignorance of them. Void has no defense against someone who can hit him a thousand times in less a second with more force in each punch than being punched by Superman. Close to infinity in fact. The speed steal is down to Wally's control over all motion given his connection to the speed force meaning he can rob the Void of all his Kinetic energy before Void can move an eyelid.
@enzeru said:
Forget about Martian Manhunter. He is as useless in this fight as Superman. Telepathy won't help you against the Void, since the character was never portrayed that way, even though Marvel has more than enough powerful telepaths, who were all affected by Sentry's telepathy, but the opposite didn't really happen.
Sentry has erased the minds of people like Thor and Doctor Doom, who have resistances to telepathy... From people like Hulk, who are immune to it and even from high level telepaths like Professor Xavier.
Other than that there is nothing that would even speak for Martian Manhunter.
From the very first beginning Flash was the only character worth even being mentioned. Everyone else on the battlefield is canon-fodder and most of the people know it by now.
Forget about...Ugh I've done enough replying to you for one day. You haven't even looked at the thread based on that comment because MM is that much higher than any other telepath Sentry has ever faced. I can call in some more experts on Wally and Manhunter to prove my points far more succintly than I can.
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