@m_man: Superman uses x-ray vision to give Shaw cancer, that or freeze breath. The only way Shaw can win is if Supes go full retard and kept hitting him with punches and heat vision when it obviously isn't working, Shaw isn't tagging or hurting him unless he absorbed Supes kinetic energy while Supes could just grab him, drop him in the ocean, and use freeze breath.
.........He already absorbed nearly an entire nuclear reactors worth of radiation.
that or freeze breath.
.........MoS Superman has never used freeze breath even once.
The only way Shaw can win is if Supes go full retard and kept hitting him with punches and heat vision when it obviously isn't working, Shaw isn't tagging or hurting him unless he absorbed Supes kinetic energy while Supes could just grab him, drop him in the ocean, and use freeze breath.
@m_man: he was consious when mag toss that coin, Mags even mention that's why he did it because he was aware of what will happen.
Myth busted
................No he didn't. This is just straight up lies. I just saw the scene. Nowhere is it stated that he is conscious. Xavier mind-stops people all the time in multiple films and they remember absolutely nothing every single time. When he mind stopped all the people in the white house to talk to the president, no one but the president recall anything at all.
@helicoprion: but how would shaw win without supes doing anything counterproductive to the win once shaws powerset is known which will be fast, because flight is making it a stalemate to me
@uncanny_cable: dropping buildings on him wouldn't work. He would simply absorb the energy and blast them away similar to when he absorbed the energy from the bullets shot at him and stomped the floor making a massive explosion to kill the FBI guys. And nothing in the film overloaded him nor was there any mention or hint that anything could. He absorbed almost an entire nuclear reactor and was still able to absorb kinetic energy from Magneto's attack without any trouble. There is literally nothing Superman can do to win and there is plenty Shaw can do to win.
He literally took the energy from bullets hitting him and created a massive explosion from it. Anything Superman throws at him gets absorbed and Superman gets hit with a more powerful version.
@randomsid: superman still have ftl combat speed or close to it, so so how does suppling the gun with bullets=landing the shot? Supes could supply him with 100,000 tons of force but if shaw releases that force through a blast and misses this could happen endlessly, so where does the win come in
Superman takes a paper bag he puts around Shaw head, and he kills him. Or he simply chokes Shaw with the normal strenght of a human.
Nothing you listed would even work.
There is no indication that Shaw can survive without Oxygen, something like the paperbag trick may work, Superman only has to let Shaw use the energy that he has left (until he is as weak as a human) and call it a day. Also If Superman knows that Shaw will absorb his attacks, he won't attack him, and Shaw can't damage him eiter, so at best it's a stalemate.
There is no indication that Shaw can survive without Oxygen, something like the paperbag trick may work
Shaw has enough energy stored in him to tear open any bag on his head...........
Superman only has to let Shaw use the energy that he has left (until he is as weak as a human) and call it a day. Also If Superman knows that Shaw will absorb his attacks
Shaw is very conservative with energy and always keeps from using all of it.
he won't attack him, and Shaw can't damage him eiter, so at best it's a stalemate.
@randomsid: superman still have ftl combat speed or close to it, so so how does suppling the gun with bullets=landing the shot? Supes could supply him with 100,000 tons of force but if shaw releases that force through a blast and misses this could happen endlessly, so where does the win come in
No he doesn't. This is Man of Steel Superman. He never even came close to FTL anything.
@randomsid: dang slipped the noggin, well how fast do you think supes has to be to dodge a energy blast, wolverine does it with cyclops all the time, and hes grounded, so same problem how does shaw hit supes unless he lets him
@randomsid: dang slipped the noggin, well how fast do you think supes has to be to dodge a energy blast, wolverine does it with cyclops all the time, and hes grounded, so same problem how does shaw hit supes unless he lets him
Considering he couldn't even dodge bullets all the time in the movie, he isn't fast enough to continually dodge energy blasts.
Superman takes a paper bag he puts around Shaw head, and he kills him. Or he simply chokes Shaw with the normal strenght of a human.
I already explained how that would not work in post #49 on the first page.
Well actually I was taking that into consideration (not with the paperbag stuff), It's really a versus how long can Shaw hold his breath against how much it takes to absorb the energy necessary to overpower Superman. It could go to anyone that stand off.
Superman takes a paper bag he puts around Shaw head, and he kills him. Or he simply chokes Shaw with the normal strenght of a human.
I already explained how that would not work in post #49 on the first page.
Well actually I was taking that into consideration (not with the paperbag stuff), It's really a versus how long can Shaw hold his breath against how much it takes to absorb the energy necessary to overpower Superman. It could go to anyone that stand off.
Considering how tiny a fraction of the amount of energy it would take to destroy a simple paperbag, he could absorb that just from the kinetic energy Superman used to place the bag over his head in the first place.
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I've posted why Superman would not beat him and nobody has yet to post anything that would work. The main post was post #49. There is literally nothing Superman can do to Shaw without him absorbing it and using it against him.
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I've posted why Superman would not beat him and nobody has yet to post anything that would work. The main post was post #49. There is literally nothing Superman can do to Shaw without him absorbing it and using it against him.
Why cant Superman end him like he did to Zod? All he would be doing is turning Shaw's head until it broke.
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I've posted why Superman would not beat him and nobody has yet to post anything that would work. The main post was post #49. There is literally nothing Superman can do to Shaw without him absorbing it and using it against him.
Why cant Superman end him like he did to Zod? All he would be doing is turning Shaw's head until it broke.
I already explained that, just didn't use that exact example. Why wouldn't that work? Because Shaw absorbs all Kinetic Energy thrown at him in any way. Even turning someone's head is creating Kinetic Energy, so as Superman was trying to break his neck, he would be continually absorbing the Kinetic Energy and Superman would never get anywhere. He would continually have to exert more and more force, which would in turn continually be absorbed until finally Shaw simply let it all out in an explosive backlash that KOed Superman. After all, if an oil rig explosion can KO Man of Steel Superman, then the type of Explosion I'm talking about could rather easily as well.
Superman takes a paper bag he puts around Shaw head, and he kills him. Or he simply chokes Shaw with the normal strenght of a human.
I already explained how that would not work in post #49 on the first page.
Well actually I was taking that into consideration (not with the paperbag stuff), It's really a versus how long can Shaw hold his breath against how much it takes to absorb the energy necessary to overpower Superman. It could go to anyone that stand off.
Considering how tiny a fraction of the amount of energy it would take to destroy a simple paperbag, he could absorb that just from the kinetic energy Superman used to place the bag over his head in the first place.
That is why I stated not with the paperbag stuff, just good old Choking.
@randomsid: thats wis, if your talking about the scene where the turret is the helicopter hit him while fighting kryptonians, shaw doesnt have that plot device along with the ok nly 5 we could probably count off that your naturally gonna find in movies
That is why I stated not with the paperbag stuff, just good old Choking.
Applying any significant pressure is kinetic energy, which Shaw absorbs..........................seriously, if choking him was the solution to ending Shaw, he would have died a long time ago.
@randomsid: thats wis, if your talking about the scene where the turret is the helicopter hit him while fighting kryptonians, shaw doesnt have that plot device along with the ok nly 5 we could probably count off that your naturally gonna find in movies
I fail to see how that would be WIS, it was clearly shown in the movie that he doesn't have the speed his comic counterpart has, and they were surprised by the military interrupting the fight. The point was that Superman is nowhere near even a fraction of the speed of his comic counterpart. Then there is the fact that in character he does brawl a lot. He never once tried to stand back and use his abilities to his advantage. Regardless, once again, what exactly would he do to Shaw? Everything he threw at Shaw would simply be absorbed, and in character he would definitely come in range for Shaw to easily tag him with a blast.
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I've posted why Superman would not beat him and nobody has yet to post anything that would work. The main post was post #49. There is literally nothing Superman can do to Shaw without him absorbing it and using it against him.
Why cant Superman end him like he did to Zod? All he would be doing is turning Shaw's head until it broke.
I already explained that, just didn't use that exact example. Why wouldn't that work? Because Shaw absorbs all Kinetic Energy thrown at him in any way. Even turning someone's head is creating Kinetic Energy, so as Superman was trying to break his neck, he would be continually absorbing the Kinetic Energy and Superman would never get anywhere. He would continually have to exert more and more force, which would in turn continually be absorbed until finally Shaw simply let it all out in an explosive backlash that KOed Superman. After all, if an oil rig explosion can KO Man of Steel Superman, then the type of Explosion I'm talking about could rather easily as well.
How would Shaw absorb energy when he's dead though?
Now ive done some thinking now what if the same way you would bfr juggernaut (grabbing the ground beneath him) and relocating the fight too say......the middle of Antarctica, and wait the man out till that amount of tnt hell use to keep his body temp is gone
Go back, read the thread, learn about the character, then try again.
That sounded rude. I dont think I need to read it though, I'm pretty sure I've seen the movies enough times to know what I'm talking about. I could be wrong though, so would you tell me what I said that you have a problem with?
Sorry, I was not intending to sound rude. I've posted why Superman would not beat him and nobody has yet to post anything that would work. The main post was post #49. There is literally nothing Superman can do to Shaw without him absorbing it and using it against him.
Why cant Superman end him like he did to Zod? All he would be doing is turning Shaw's head until it broke.
I already explained that, just didn't use that exact example. Why wouldn't that work? Because Shaw absorbs all Kinetic Energy thrown at him in any way. Even turning someone's head is creating Kinetic Energy, so as Superman was trying to break his neck, he would be continually absorbing the Kinetic Energy and Superman would never get anywhere. He would continually have to exert more and more force, which would in turn continually be absorbed until finally Shaw simply let it all out in an explosive backlash that KOed Superman. After all, if an oil rig explosion can KO Man of Steel Superman, then the type of Explosion I'm talking about could rather easily as well.
How would Shaw absorb energy when he's dead though?
He wouldn't be dead, Superman would never get that far, the second he got close Shaw would already be absorbing the kinetic energy of him moving. Superman could not exert enough force to overpower his absorption. If it was that easy Magneto could have done it simply by using the metal in his helmet to snap his neck. I'm not sure where you are having the trouble understanding that any and all kinetic energy is aborbed by Shaw.
Shaw can get to the top of a nearby building and jump off to absorb the force and keep repeating it till he's filled with enough energy to hurt superman and then he just has to wait for superman to make a move.
Now ive done some thinking now what if the same way you would bfr juggernaut (grabbing the ground beneath him) and relocating the fight too say......the middle of Antarctica, and wait the man out till that amount of tnt hell use to keep his body temp is gone
BFR is not an option for this fight. Check the OP.
@m_man: Superman uses x-ray vision to give Shaw cancer, that or freeze breath. The only way Shaw can win is if Supes go full retard and kept hitting him with punches and heat vision when it obviously isn't working,Shaw isn't tagging or hurting him unless he absorbed Supes kinetic energy while Supes could just grab him, drop him in the ocean, and use freeze breath.
Superman wouldn't think to give him cancer via X ray vision lmao
When has he demonstrated freeze breath?
That's literally what he did thats him in character just straight bull rushing, punching and heat vision. All he'll do is make Shaw more powerful.
How would Shaw absorb energy when he's dead though?
He wouldn't be. Any energy would be absorbed before it's applied. Shaw tanks massive explosions and barrages of physical force without budging an inch.
No BFR allowed? Maybe Superman jams his arm down Shaw's throat till he suffocates. The TNT-level amount of energy Shaw starts with isn't gonna be enough to get Superman off of him.
Also I'd like everyone to thank me for reviving this.
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