Sebastian Shaw vs Captain America

Shaw should win. Any of Steve's attacks will just make Shaw stronger.

Shaw should win. Any of Steve's attacks will just make Shaw stronger.

Shaw should win. Any of Steve's attacks will just make Shaw stronger.

Shaw should win. Any of Steve's attacks will just make Shaw stronger.

Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

                    Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

                   

               

Probably Shaw. 

Sebastian Shaw wins.

Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

@Baltoro said:

Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

Unlikely, Shaw absorbs kinetic force used against him, He would just use the energy Cap expends trying to snap his neck him to make himself stronger.Cap can't hope to beat him physically

@Super_SoldierXII

@Baltoro said:

                    Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

                   

               

While I would agree, unfortunately, neck snapping is not part of Cap's MO. As it's not specified, we have to assume morals are on. I don't see how Cap can win, unless Shaw starts the fight signifcantly powered down. If so, Cap could probably lock on a choke hold and put him to sleep I guess... though this assume CA knows about Sebastien Shaw's mutant abilities. Given how notorious Shaw is as an evil mastermind and leader of the Hellfire Club, it stands to reason the leader of the Avengers is in the know.

@cattlebattle said:

@Baltoro said:

Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

Unlikely, Shaw absorbs kinetic force used against him, He would just use the energy Cap expends trying to snap his neck him to make himself stronger.Cap can't hope to beat him physically

Shaw would have issues with one of Captain America's chokeholds also, it only takes Shaw a few seconds to lose consciousness when Cap cuts off the carotid artery supplying Shaw's brain with blood.  It's simple physics here, Shaw can absorb the big hits, but this is a precision compression technique in Cap's arsenal due to his military experience.   Shaw's slight strength increase he starts out with won't carry this fight for him against the superior combatant.
 

@Baltoro said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Baltoro said:

Captain America knows millitary tactics such as neck snapping and will quickly figure out not to blugeon Shaw with the shield because it is making him stronger.  Shaw will go down if his neck his snapped by the Cap. 

Unlikely, Shaw absorbs kinetic force used against him, He would just use the energy Cap expends trying to snap his neck him to make himself stronger.Cap can't hope to beat him physically

Shaw would have issues with one of Captain America's chokeholds also, it only takes Shaw a few seconds to lose consciousness when Cap cuts off the carotid artery supplying Shaw's brain with blood.  It's simple physics here, Shaw can absorb the big hits, but this is a precision compression technique in Cap's arsenal due to his military experience.   Shaw's slight strength increase he starts out with won't carry this fight for him against the superior combatant.
 

All Shaw would need is a small power boost from Cap, He is no slouch in the h2h department either...after all it's not like Shaw is going to sit there and just let him choke him out and in case you haven't noticed...physics don't really apply in comics  I think X-23 or Wolverine admitted there is now way to beat Shaw physically

@cattlebattle said:

@Baltoro said:

Physics do apply to comics though, otherwise in comics gravity wouldnt exist, the Earth wouldnt go around the sun, people would be walking upside down, etc...let's not beat around the bush here though.  Shaw would basically be like a bodybuilder fighting an elite of the elite MMA guy because Cap is one of the H2H kings, while Shaw would be relatively considered a squire in the h2h if we compare him to the Cap.  That statement which I'm bolding would imply that Shaw could beat beings like Juggernaut, Doomsday, Hulk, etc....it's simply not possible.  Shaw is decent fighter and has an interesting power, but there's a reason he doesnt go around wrecking mutants and entire cities barehanded,  he knows he can be beaten.  He'd need to have some choking resisting feats for us to conclude Cap isn't capable of doing it.

Cap needs to get close to Shaw to put on a choke hold. He even has to use force to put a choke hold on him. That is the last thing he wants to do. and he would take the shield from Cap like a father taking his child's toy away. Shaw wins this.

Cap cant win even if he tries to choke Shaw and if we ignore the force he has to put to choke someone...according to the OP,Shaw spent a few minutes getting punched by thugs,odds are,he is way too strong to not break free from a choke hold.

Cap cant win even if he tries to choke Shawn and if we ignore the force he has to put to choke someone...according to the OP,Shawn spent a few minutes getting punched by thugs,odds are,he is way too strong to not break free from a choke hold.

Let's say Shaw works his way up to an Iron Man level punch somehow (being very generous here), we know Cap can take a couple of those and keep fighting.  People are acting like Shaw is going to one shot him, no way folks, Cap can take a serious beating and keep going here and that is going to catch Shaw off guard.  Since he's been through far worse, after Shaw expends his energy and gasses Cap is going to put him to bed with a rear naked choke, a triangle choke, or any other technique involving compression versus blunt force.

Let's say Shaw works his way up to an Iron Man level punch somehow (being very generous here), we know Cap can take a couple of those and keep fighting.  People are acting like Shaw is going to one shot him, no way folks, Cap can take a serious beating and keep going here and that is going to catch Shaw off guard.  Since he's been through far worse, after Shaw expends his energy and gasses Cap is going to put him to bed with a rear naked choke, a triangle choke, or any other technique involving compression versus blunt force.

@Baltoro said:

Let's say Shaw works his way up to an Iron Man level punch somehow (being very generous here), we know Cap can take a couple of those and keep fighting.  People are acting like Shaw is going to one shot him, no way folks, Cap can take a serious beating and keep going here and that is going to catch Shaw off guard.  Since he's been through far worse, after Shaw expends his energy and gasses Cap is going to put him to bed with a rear naked choke, a triangle choke, or any other technique involving compression versus blunt force.

No one ever said he one shots him, and you don't have to be generous with an Iron Man level punch, Rogue stated that he hits as hard as the Hulk, If anything....If Cap hits shaw or expends any kind of force Shaw can grab his arm (which he is trying to choke with) and break it

Sebastian Shaw wins since Cap cannot defeat him physically

Let's say Shaw works his way up to an Iron Man level punch somehow (being very generous here), we know Cap can take a couple of those and keep fighting.  People are acting like Shaw is going to one shot him, no way folks, Cap can take a serious beating and keep going here and that is going to catch Shaw off guard.  Since he's been through far worse, after Shaw expends his energy and gasses Cap is going to put him to bed with a rear naked choke, a triangle choke, or any other technique involving compression versus blunt force.