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#1 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Boba Fett, Space Marine Raclaw, Master Chief, and a Elder Predator

Wolverine, Superior Spider Man, Deathstroke, and Deadpool.

  • Standard Gear.
  • Random Battle.
  • Both Team are fully working together.
  • Death or KO.
  • Start 100 feet apart in the middle of Times Square.

#2 Edited by k4tzm4n (44234 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool. Not a Warhammer fan though, so I've no idea who Raclaw is or what he's capable of.

Considering some of these characters use a wealthy amount of gear, it might be helpful to specify the standard gear/version for the Pred/Slade/Chief.

Despite not knowing who Raclaw is, I'd be tempted to side with team comic. Team SciFi has some exceptional firepower on their side, but the combination of sheer skill and power seems to well-balanced with team comic.

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#3 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9431 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to say team sci-fi but The healers on team comic I just ridiculous if we go by high feats alone wolverine can fight as a skeleton and since his Skelton is indestructible you can't be killed or apparently KOed

If we be more realistic about all the characters team sci-fi has a very good chance depending on the gear that they get if they get all their high-end gear they stomp

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#4 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21868 posts) - - Show Bio

One Question:

Why the heck did you use a Deathstroke picture by liefeld?

#5 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

One Question:

Why the heck did you use a Deathstroke picture by liefeld?

I like it.

@k4tzm4n: Space Marines are pretty beastly Super Humans. Raclaw being of the Black Templar Chapter, a Chapter noted for its insane close quarter doctrine and relentless attacks that is pretty extreme for even most Space Marines. Now all space Marines are nowhere near the same anymore than say US Marin Corps are all equal, but there is source material and over 100s of material that paint a consistent picture of their stats. Anyway a quick overview of Raclaw.

Brother Raclaw / Brother Gerhart / Brother Tankred

Brother Raclaw is a Space Marine of the very large, popular, and close combat oriented Black Templar Chapter. He started out as a mere human, who proven to be the best of the best of his barbarian world. Chosen by the Black Templars to become a Space Marine, he underwent the surgery of implants to become one of the very super human Adeptus Astartes, for the Imperium. He did not quickly rose through the ranks, however proven time and again as a less equipped Neophyte to be the best with his impressive tactical acumen, and more impressive skills in combat.

He finally became a full fledged Space Marine, taking the name of Gerhart for himself, after defeating a Eldar Wraith Lord in combat. He soon became the head Marine of the Sword Brethren of his company.

Once there he led campaigns against Orks, Chaos, and Necron forces. He was succesful for many centuries until his fated battle against a army of the psychic Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marines.

After suffering sever injury in a battle with Chaos, he fought onto life to become Brother Tankred, a Dreadnought. He then continued to impart wisdom to other Captains, while defeating forces of Tau, and even beaten a Daemon Prince in combat. Since Dreadnoughts are too OP, I will not use Raclaw entombed in a Dread.

So what is a Space Marine?

There ya go. It is not uncommon for a squad of 4-5 Space Marines to fight off a entire army of enemies at once and win.

They are implanted with 18 Organs that genetically modify them with super human abilities.

  • Mucranoid - Protects against the Vacuum of Space and Extreme Temperatures.
  • Larraman's Organ - Instant Scarring to prevent any blood loss and also helps heal major wounds easy.
  • Omophagea - Allows access to recent memories through eating of the flesh.
  • Occulobe - Super Enhance Eyesight.
  • Secondary Heart - Allows more Stamina and act as a back up.
  • Biscopea - Allows Strength of up to 2 tons.
  • Ollitic Kidney - Filters Poisons and Gasses that might harm a Space Marine.
  • Preomnor - Allows to digest straight Poisons.
  • Interface - Allows the link up with Power Armour.
  • Haemastamen - Efficient Blood that allows more Stamina.
  • Multi Lung - A third lung that allows a Marine to Breath Poisons and even Water.
  • Lyman's Ear - Allows Sharper Hearing, Filtering of Sounds, and near immunity to Disorientation
  • Sus-en Membrane - Allow the Marine to enter Hibernation for Centuries.
  • Betcher's Gland - Acidic and Poisonous Spit.
  • Ossmodula - Steel like bones that can heal fast and Fused Ribcage.
  • Neuroglottis - Grants Smell like a tracking dog, and taste the toxicity and nutritious content of something.
  • Catalepsean Node - Marines can stay awake for days with no hindrance.

The Space Marine is also armed with the traditional weapons of Chain Sword and Bolter.

Finally for defense the Space Marine is armed with with some of the best Armour the Imprium has, Power Armour.

Power Armour literally is equivalent to Modern Tank armor in durability. Made of Cerimic used on the hulls of Battleships, while outfitted with injection system for drugs, and muscle fiber bundles to allow a 20% strength increase to a Space Marines already multi ton strength.

As for his battles.

As seen from the best of a whole Planet Raclaw was singled out. He showed great skill as a mere teenager. (All Space Marines must be in their teens for any hope of the Gene-seed taking root.)

Then he was implanted with half the Organs needed to become a Scout. (Note again. In 90% Space Marine Chapters Scouts are Space Marines in Training. However in the Black Templar Chapter Scouts are called Neophytes and when become worthy of being a space Marine become Initiates)

His first lesson from his Space Marine Mentor was a brutal one.

Raclaw fresh with his Organ Implants and in serious pain battles a possible recruit gone wrong. This Beast is Marine itself in stats with Berserk fury.

Raclaw in his first battle. They face Orks. What makes this great is he fight the toughest Orks in the galaxy, the Nobz, to save a fellow Marine. Such skill and prestige in his first battle.

Here Raclaw chops thru hordes of Cultist and monologues his training.

Raclaw as a novice makes his way to a Chaos Champ, a warrior of thousands of years and added gifts of chaos, and slays him with the meekest gear of Scout Armour, Chain Sword, and Bolt Pistol.

Raclaw last battle as a Neophyte (Or Space Marine Scout in standard 40k terms) he slays a Wraithlord of all things. Warmachines capable of besting whole squads of space Marines.

Ralcaw then become a full fledged space Marine with Power Armour. He also changes his name to Gerhart in honor of his fallen Master.

After still rising through the ranks he becomes head of the Sword Brethren, the Elite of the Black Templar Chapter. He leads his small band of Elite against a successful battle of the most advance race in the Galaxy, Necrons.

Gerhart many years later leads the attack on Chaos Forces of this planet. He not only fights cultist but Chaos Marines themselves! He even uncovers what plan the enemy had for that world.

Finally Gerhart plans the final attack to waste the Enemy. What makes this a big deal is the enemy Gerhart fights is non other than the infamous Thousand Sons!

Alot of info, but best quick one post of Raclaw/Gerhart knowledge I can give.

#6 Posted by k4tzm4n (44234 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Well, looks like I've got some reading to do in my free-time. Thanks.

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#7 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: No Problem, 40k is some of the best lore I ever read and the Boom Studio Comics have done right to the Lore of the Books and Games.

#8 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

Who's Ratclaw? Jk lol I will read what @cadencev2: when i get some free time.

#9 Edited by dorukesin (5972 posts) - - Show Bio

team Slade

#10 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by GraniteSoldier (7803 posts) - - Show Bio

Superior Spider-Man one of Marvel's best?! For shame, sir.

I want to side with the SciFi team, but I think Comic team takes it; Spidey and Wolverine MVPs.

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#12 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzkZm7JP58

#13 Posted by Ironshinobi88 (1198 posts) - - Show Bio

shiznit, this is a good one.....


Well Deadpool's healiong creates a problem but I see Raclaw and Fett giving them a big advantage

#14 Posted by Jmarshmallow (6997 posts) - - Show Bio

How is the Sci-Fi team going to take down some of the healers that the Comic Team has? I'm not siding either way, I just honestly don't know.

Jmarshmallow

#15 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jmarshmallow said:

How is the Sci-Fi team going to take down some of the healers that the Comic Team has? I'm not siding either way, I just honestly don't know.

Jmarshmallow

I can think of a few.

Wolverine can be taken out by Heart Damage and Tax Healing Factor.

  • In this case Boba Fett Disintegrate Rifle (Could possibly vaporize all of Wolverine's organic parts), Flame Throwers to pour on taxing damage, and Sonic Grenades.
  • For Pred we have the Plasma Caster that burns with intense heats and takes out Space Ships with a shot. Preds special metal weapons that show extreme durability could cope for a time against Adamantium as well.
  • Master Chief has the advantage of Spartan Laser or Plasma Sword.
  • Raclaw could take Wolverine out with Bolter shells that explode on the inside of a target, meaning Heart pulpage.

Deadpool can be blown or cut into many pieces. any of the Sci Fi Team can possibly accomplish this.

Slade is the toughest with that armor, but even then he had his armor penetrated by weapons weilded by super strength or in the areas where the Nth Metal does not cover.

Spider Man has no healing.

@deathstroke19 said:

@cadencev2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzkZm7JP58

Yes, that was creepy and uncomfortable.

@ironshinobi88 said:

shiznit, this is a good one.....

Well Deadpool's healiong creates a problem but I see Raclaw and Fett giving them a big advantage

Thanks.

@granitesoldier said:

Superior Spider-Man one of Marvel's best?! For shame, sir.

I want to side with the SciFi team, but I think Comic team takes it; Spidey and Wolverine MVPs.

Well... Superior is current, so I rolled with it.

#16 Posted by Jmarshmallow (6997 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: In that case, I'm siding with the Sci-Fi team.

Jmarshmallow

#17 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3224 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting matchup. But what rank is the Predator? That one big factor.

IMO Master Chief could give Deathstroke or Wolverine a good fight. His feats both in Video games(not using game mechanics obviously), novels and comics are insane. Especially his durability.

I personally think Master Chief can take out Deathstroke and possibly Wolverine. But team two beats team 1 in the strength department. Especially Spiderman. And also what is team 1 going to do about Deadpools insane healing factor? But KO is on.

I dont know how this goes, but Spiderman will make it difficult for team 1, but team 1 does have skilled people. IMO you should make the Predator an Elder Predator to make the match even more interesting.

#18 Posted by Wolverine08 (42262 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with the comic team in a nice fight. Pretty cool battle.

#19 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Wolverine08 (42262 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Heart damage has usually dropped Logan when it's been through someone with greater physicals than him (Kaine, Gorgon, etc.) blowing by his defenses and literally pulling out his heart and organs. Damage from the extreme heat/explosions you noted the team has doesn't seem to consistently bring about same effect.

That said, Master Chief could possibly accomplish what Kaine and Gorgon did if his physicals are great enough to blow past Logan and pull the organs out.

#21 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2: Heart damage has usually dropped Logan when it's been through someone with greater physicals than him (Kaine, Gorgon, etc.) blowing by his defenses and literally pulling out his heart and organs. Damage from the extreme heat/explosions you noted the team has doesn't seem to consistently bring about same effect.

That said, Master Chief could possibly accomplish what Kaine and Gorgon did if his physicals are great enough to blow past Logan and pull the organs out.

Raclaw Physicals are pushing 4 tons with Power Armour, and the whole point of the Bolter Shell is a Rocket Missile with a Admantium Tip for penetration and mini grenade size blast inside the body.

If Kaine can beat Wolverine by cutting his heart in two, then the same should apply to the shrapnel of a single, or few, Bolt shells.

#22 Edited by Wolverine08 (42262 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@wolverine08 said:

@cadencev2: Heart damage has usually dropped Logan when it's been through someone with greater physicals than him (Kaine, Gorgon, etc.) blowing by his defenses and literally pulling out his heart and organs. Damage from the extreme heat/explosions you noted the team has doesn't seem to consistently bring about same effect.

That said, Master Chief could possibly accomplish what Kaine and Gorgon did if his physicals are great enough to blow past Logan and pull the organs out.

Raclaw Physicals are pushing 4 tons with Power Armour, and the whole point of the Bolter Shell is a Rocket Missile with a Admantium Tip for penetration and mini grenade size blast inside the body.

If Kaine can beat Wolverine by cutting his heart in two, then the same should apply to the shrapnel of a single Bolt shell.

Ah, I didn't know the Bolter Shell is meant to intensively penetrate the body.

Thought you were talking regular explosion bringing devices, in which case they would do mostly superficial damage to James.

#23 Posted by RetconCrisis (3855 posts) - - Show Bio

One Question:

Why the heck did you use a Deathstroke picture by liefeld?

Look on the bright side. At least that picture didn't have wonky stances, a derpy face, or horribly off body proportions.

#24 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Nah, that would be Predator, Master Chief, or Boba. The Bolter is design for Penetration and Explosion.

#25 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman said:

One Question:

Why the heck did you use a Deathstroke picture by liefeld?

Look on the bright side. At least that picture didn't have wonky stances, a derpy face, or horribly off body proportions.

Like I said, I like that picture.

#26 Posted by Deathstroke19 (3799 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by nick_hero22 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

I will have to side with Team Comics because I don't see anyone being a major threat to Spider-Man and there is also Deathstroke and Wolverine, who are some serious heavy hitters and could easily contend with anyone on Team Sci Fi.

#28 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22 said:

I will have to side with Team Comics because I don't see anyone being a major threat to Spider-Man and there is also Deathstroke and Wolverine, who are some serious heavy hitters and could easily contend with anyone on Team Sci Fi.

Why is no one a major threat to Spider Man?

I know spOck is stronger, but the defense of MC and Raclaw would tank his hits for sure. Also MC and Raclaw have the speed, tools, and skill to put SpOck down.

#29 Posted by nick_hero22 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22 said:

I will have to side with Team Comics because I don't see anyone being a major threat to Spider-Man and there is also Deathstroke and Wolverine, who are some serious heavy hitters and could easily contend with anyone on Team Sci Fi.

Why is no one a major threat to Spider Man?

Physical Stats, Webbing, More Ruthlessness than usual, Combat Training to a certain extent, Spider-Sense, and etc.

#30 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@nick_hero22 said:

I will have to side with Team Comics because I don't see anyone being a major threat to Spider-Man and there is also Deathstroke and Wolverine, who are some serious heavy hitters and could easily contend with anyone on Team Sci Fi.

Why is no one a major threat to Spider Man?

Physical Stats, Webbing, More Ruthlessness than usual, Combat Training to a certain extent, Spider-Sense, and etc.

This team of remorseless killers are not as ruthless?

Physical Stats of Blunt Force Durability and Strength is all. Strength is negated by Power Armour durability feats as well Master Chief Armor and Shield feats. Boba's Mandalorian armor and energy field could tank a Spidey attack or 2. Also Boba has the speed to contend with Super Speed Jedi. Predators fight very fast Xenomorphs as you know. Space Marines are Mach 2 in reaction and combat speed. Master Chief is stated to see electricity moving with his reaction time. He is also probably comfortable Mach 2 speed. So why does Superior Stats end all be all when he cannot tank one hot form the weapons being used here? He can as easily be harmed.

Webbing is useful however, Raclaw can use Acid Spit or his Chain Sword to get out. Predator has a Targeting Laser that burns hot enough to heat his blades (Predator 1) and Plasma Caster or his own cutting blades to cut out. Boba has Blasters and Flame Thrower to burn out. Master chief has a energy shield that stops bullets, why not webbing?

Combat Training... since when did SpOck get Combat Training? Why does it compare to any of these 4 who are combat specialist?

Spider Sense is only a big deal when used by Peter who honed it to precognition. For SpOck it is nothing more than a annoying warning sense.

I see nothing that puts Superior over these characters where he is the deciding factor.

#31 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

The defense of both Raclaw and MC would be useless against webbing. Webbing can hold the Rhino, no one here has the strength to break out. Once he webs Fett to the ground, he can take him apart as Fett won't be able to touch him. Deadpool just has to keep Raclaw busy while SpOck puts down Fett so that SpOck can web him down. Deathstroke should be able to keep MC busy long enough for SpOck to intervene. Wolverine will kill a predator no problem. His adamantium and senses render his stealth and durability useless. Once the Predator is toast and SpOck has contained Raclaw and MC, Wolverine can kill both of them using his adamantium to cut through their armor.

Overall, Team Comics is better equipped to end this than the other team is.

#32 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

The defense of both Raclaw and MC would be useless against webbing. Webbing can hold the Rhino, no one here has the strength to break out. Once he webs Fett to the ground, he can take him apart as Fett won't be able to touch him. Deadpool just has to keep Raclaw busy while SpOck puts down Fett so that SpOck can web him down. Deathstroke should be able to keep MC busy long enough for SpOck to intervene. Wolverine will kill a predator no problem. His adamantium and senses render his stealth and durability useless. Once the Predator is toast and SpOck has contained Raclaw and MC, Wolverine can kill both of them using his adamantium to cut through their armor.

Overall, Team Comics is better equipped to end this than the other team is.

Its seems easy to say webbing wins this, as your the whole idea here is Spock using webbing.

I just think it is funny how no one ever thinks how easy Webbing can be dodged by Mach Speedsters in reaction and combat speed here.

Also why Webbing will work when Raclaw can cut through it or Acid Spit it, Boba flame or burn out of it, Predator can burn through it, and Master Chief could easily get out via Plasma Sword if it gets through his Bubble Shield or Armour Shields?

It is alot of banking on webbing here before SpOck possibly gets taken out here IMO.

#33 Edited by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

You use Mach horribly. Unless the people can move at the speed of sound or roughly as fast as Quicksilver, they are not Mach Speedsters in Reaction or Combat Speed. You are suggesting that these people create sonic booms when they fight? No, that is ridiculous. What they can do is read a situation and plan for it like Sherlock did in the recent Sherlock Holmes. Unless they create a sonic boom each time they move, they are not faster than the speed of sound. Show me a sonic boom or drop the claim.

SpOck is leaps and bounds faster than everyone here and he is more ruthless than most of the people here. He will be hitting them with webbing from angles that they won't be able to dodge. Fett won't be able to use his flamethrower because his arm will be webbed to his side at an angle that forces that flame into his face. Then he goes for a talon strike to his neck killing him. How can Raclaw use his acid if his mouth is webbed shut and his arms immobilized. Masterchief will have been taking fire from Deathstroke's staff, his shield will be down by then. Then SpOck's webs his arms immobile. Predator stands no chance against Spider-man and will be hunted down and killed by Wolverine.

It isn't just banking on webbing, but the team distracting them. You think Raclaw can beat Deadpool and SpOck? Masterchief can beat Deathstroke and SpOck? The SciFi team would have to focus their entire team on taking out SpOck first giving the rest of the Comic Team a tremendous advantage.

You haven't shown me anything new from any of the SciFi team so they don't have a chance here.

#34 Edited by Edude117 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Sci-fi team takes it, but it won't be easy. Deadpool will be the biggest problem for them.

#35 Edited by nick_hero22 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@nick_hero22 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@nick_hero22 said:

I will have to side with Team Comics because I don't see anyone being a major threat to Spider-Man and there is also Deathstroke and Wolverine, who are some serious heavy hitters and could easily contend with anyone on Team Sci Fi.

Why is no one a major threat to Spider Man?

Physical Stats, Webbing, More Ruthlessness than usual, Combat Training to a certain extent, Spider-Sense, and etc.

This team of remorseless killers are not as ruthless?

Physical Stats of Blunt Force Durability and Strength is all. Strength is negated by Power Armour durability feats as well Master Chief Armor and Shield feats. Boba's Mandalorian armor and energy field could tank a Spidey attack or 2. Also Boba has the speed to contend with Super Speed Jedi. Predators fight very fast Xenomorphs as you know. Space Marines are Mach 2 in reaction and combat speed. Master Chief is stated to see electricity moving with his reaction time. He is also probably comfortable Mach 2 speed. So why does Superior Stats end all be all when he cannot tank one hot form the weapons being used here? He can as easily be harmed.

Webbing is useful however, Raclaw can use Acid Spit or his Chain Sword to get out. Predator has a Targeting Laser that burns hot enough to heat his blades (Predator 1) and Plasma Caster or his own cutting blades to cut out. Boba has Blasters and Flame Thrower to burn out. Master chief has a energy shield that stops bullets, why not webbing?

Combat Training... since when did SpOck get Combat Training? Why does it compare to any of these 4 who are combat specialist?

Spider Sense is only a big deal when used by Peter who honed it to precognition. For SpOck it is nothing more than a annoying warning sense.

I see nothing that puts Superior over these characters where he is the deciding factor.

1) What are the Power Armour's durability feats, and how does this negate Spider-Man's webbing which could be used to incapacitate the Space Marine. In the novels, if I'm not mistake a Brute was capable of destroying the shields of the Mljolnir Mark Armor with pure force. So, I don't understand why Spider-Man couldn't replicate that feat.

2) Boba's Mandalorian Armor has plenty of non-plated spots, so his durability resistant really wouldn't be a relevant issue in this fight. Also, from what has been stated about that particular fight, Boba Fett was fighting a couple of fodder Jedi. Xenomorphs might be fast, but they aren't really comparable to Spider-Man in the speed and reaction department. I also haven't seen anything from the Space Marines to make me believe that their reaction time and speed is better than any other combatant here, and the same can be said about Master Chief as well. Spider-Man is more than fast enough to dodge any projectiles in this fight, especially since he has teammates that can lay down suppressive fire (Deathstroke and Deadpool) to slow down the enemies advances and to put pressure on them.

3) You do think if Spider-Man was going to use his webbing that he wouldn't fully incapacitate his opponents especially when he knows they're armed? In order for Raclaw to use his acid spit won't that require him to remove his helmet which wouldn't be possible if he is entangled by webs.

4) Superior Spider-Man has access to all of Peter's memories if I'm not mistaken, and he has undergone training by Shang Chi. I don't see why having Peter's cognitive and muscle memories wouldn't grant him a similar level of expertise with the Spider-Sense?

#36 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill:

You use Mach horribly. Unless the people can move at the speed of sound or roughly as fast as Quicksilver, they are not Mach Speedsters in Reaction or Combat Speed. You are suggesting that these people create sonic booms when they fight? No, that is ridiculous. What they can do is read a situation and plan for it like Sherlock did in the recent Sherlock Holmes. Unless they create a sonic boom each time they move, they are not faster than the speed of sound. Show me a sonic boom or drop the claim.

This is so full of BS. Assault Rifle Rounds go past Mach Speeds by a few FPS, yet no Sonic Booms. Same with Anti Tank Weapons. Same with Missiles that are Mach 2-3 speeds. No Sonic Booms.

Throwing a fist does not create a Sonic Boom. In fact your whole logic backfires guy. Spider man is faster than 4000 PSI but makes no Sonic Booms even though that is over Mach 3. Your whole argument fails here.

SpOck is leaps and bounds faster than everyone here and he is more ruthless than most of the people here. He will be hitting them with webbing from angles that they won't be able to dodge. Fett won't be able to use his flamethrower because his arm will be webbed to his side at an angle that forces that flame into his face. Then he goes for a talon strike to his neck killing him. How can Raclaw use his acid if his mouth is webbed shut and his arms immobilized. Masterchief will have been taking fire from Deathstroke's staff, his shield will be down by then. Then SpOck's webs his arms immobile. Predator stands no chance against Spider-man and will be hunted down and killed by Wolverine.

Obviously Spock is not that fast, he makes no "Sonic Booms" when he moves or fights lol.

It isn't just banking on webbing, but the team distracting them. You think Raclaw can beat Deadpool and SpOck? Masterchief can beat Deathstroke and SpOck? The SciFi team would have to focus their entire team on taking out SpOck first giving the rest of the Comic Team a tremendous advantage.

You haven't shown me anything new from any of the SciFi team so they don't have a chance here.

I think we will agree to disagree already. The Sci Fi Team are some of the most tatical, and experience fighters in the galaxies. Yet they will fall short to SpOck leaping around? No.

@nick_hero22:

1) What are the Power Armour's durability feats, and how does this negate Spider-Man's webbing which could be used to incapacitate the Space Marine. In the novels, if I'm not mistake a Brute was capable of destroying the shields of the Mljolnir Mark Armor with pure force. So, I don't understand why Spider-Man couldn't replicate that feat.

I think that was earlier armor and weaker shields from what @yourneighborhoodcomicgeek and @deranged_midget have told me IIRC. His Halo 4 armor and shields is way more powerful. Also the Bubble shield.

This tanks 4 missiles with ease.

Power Armour is crazy tough.

2) Boba's Mandalorian Armor has plenty of non-plated spots, so his durability resistant really wouldn't be a relevant issue in this fight. Also, from what has been stated about that particular fight, Boba Fett was fighting a couple of fodder Jedi. Xenomorphs might be fast, but they aren't really comparable to Spider-Man in the speed and reaction department. I also haven't seen anything from the Space Marines to make me believe that their reaction time and speed is better than any other combatant here, and the same can be said about Master Chief as well. Spider-Man is more than fast enough to dodge any projectiles in this fight, especially since he has teammates that can lay down suppressive fire (Deathstroke and Deadpool) to slow down the enemies advances and to put pressure on them.

Fair enough.

3) You do think if Spider-Man was going to use his webbing that he wouldn't fully incapacitate his opponents especially when he knows they're armed? In order for Raclaw to use his acid spit won't that require him to remove his helmet which wouldn't be possible if he is entangled by webs.

Depends, Raclaw in character fights without his Helmet more than he does with it on.

4) Superior Spider-Man has access to all of Peter's memories if I'm not mistaken, and he has undergone training by Shang Chi. I don't see why having Peter's cognitive and muscle memories wouldn't grant him a similar level of expertise with the Spider-Sense?

SpOck has very little grasp on spider sense actually from debates I seen. He also has the memory but not the skill of Way of the Spider at all. That i know for sure. @jashro44 can you confirm this?

#37 Edited by Wyldsong (5576 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@nick_hero22:

4) Superior Spider-Man has access to all of Peter's memories if I'm not mistaken, and he has undergone training by Shang Chi. I don't see why having Peter's cognitive and muscle memories wouldn't grant him a similar level of expertise with the Spider-Sense?

SpOck has very little grasp on spider sense actually from debates I seen. He also has the memory but not the skill of Way of the Spider at all. That i know for sure. @jashro44 can you confirm this?

I'll step in here. SpOck has never once been shown to use Spider-Fu. Before SpOck completely mind wiped Peter and erased all trace of him (memories included), SpOck only knew the skills and memories he had specifically accessed (like going through a file cabinet). This can be seen with his complete lack of recognition of Flash in the most current issues, and his failure to replicate something Pete did during the whole Spider-Man 2099 debacle. He never accessed Pete's WOTS training before erasing the memories from existence, and has never shown Pete's combat skill, nor his skill/proficiency with spider-sense, and has even been shown to ignore it a time or two.

SpOck doesn't have WOTS and doesn't have Pete's proficiency with spider-sense. He spent his time working on science and tech to deal with foes, rather than access Pete's combat proficiency before wiping all trace of him from his brain.

#38 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by Wyldsong (5576 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Edited by DeathandGrim (2048 posts) - - Show Bio

One Question:

Why the heck did you use a Deathstroke picture by liefeld?

Standard Liefeld problems but they aren't THAT bad in that pic. And you gotta admit it's clean.

#41 Posted by boschePG (2334 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: I think the Marvel team wins. Just do

#42 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Comics team take it

#44 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Guns have this thing called a barrel, they contain all the excess energy released and funnel it. The sonic boom happens in the barrel. Missiles that can exceed the speed of sound do indeed create sonic booms. Further proof that you horribly misapply Mach is in your terminology, FPS is Frames Per Second which is not a unit of speed. Then you use PSI which is Pounds per Square Inch which again is not a unit of measurement! 4000 PSI would not make someone move at the speed of sound. Spider-man doesn't even move at the speed of sound in anyway shape of form. Everything moving at supersonic speeds will create a sonic boom. This is exactly like when you said that Liara was mach speed capable despite not even being close.

You don't have to be faster than sound to be faster than most people. Most people are only able to move at roughly 30 MPH, someone who can move at less than 600 or so miles per hour would still be leaps and bounds faster than every human being but still well under the speed of sound. With Web slinging, Spider-man can move and react perfectly at 125 MPH which is far faster than everyone here.

You are suggesting that Boba Fett beats SpOck? Once he beats him, this becomes a series of 2v1s and none of the people on team SciFi are good enough to win against 2 of the enemy team much less one of those two being SpOck.

#45 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Guns have this thing called a barrel, they contain all the excess energy released and funnel it. The sonic boom happens in the barrel. Missiles that can exceed the speed of sound do indeed create sonic booms. Further proof that you horribly misapply Mach is in your terminology, FPS is Frames Per Second which is not a unit of speed. Then you use PSI which is Pounds per Square Inch which again is not a unit of measurement! 4000 PSI would not make someone move at the speed of sound. Spider-man doesn't even move at the speed of sound in anyway shape of form. Everything moving at supersonic speeds will create a sonic boom. This is exactly like when you said that Liara was mach speed capable despite not even being close.

You don't have to be faster than sound to be faster than most people. Most people are only able to move at roughly 30 MPH, someone who can move at less than 600 or so miles per hour would still be leaps and bounds faster than every human being but still well under the speed of sound. With Web slinging, Spider-man can move and react perfectly at 125 MPH which is far faster than everyone here.

You are suggesting that Boba Fett beats SpOck? Once he beats him, this becomes a series of 2v1s and none of the people on team SciFi are good enough to win against 2 of the enemy team much less one of those two being SpOck.

Show me a Missile with a Sonic Boom. Find me a video or something other than your BS statement. I seen these missiles fired in the Navy, never heard a Sonic Boom even though they are Mark 2. I seen a video of a Marine Blowing his hand off with a hot .50 Cal round. No Gun Barrel. no Sonic Boom.

Epic Fail.Also to state Spider Man is not Mach Speed is a total discredit to any argument you made. Your instantly invalid already :/

As seen Spider Man dodges the bullet AFTER it was fired. That is mach speed and no Sonic boom.

You totally have nothing here.

#46 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Would you take a document produced by the US military? Hit Control+F and type in missile from the top of the document. I am sure you won't do that so I'll use a quick screen grab for you:

At best, Bullseye can be throwing that Spider-Tracer at 200 MPH, yet he still manages to hit Spider-man with it. How is this possible if Spider-man can move as fast as you suggest? Heck, Spider Tracers are designed to emit a signal that is detectable by his Spider Sense so not only can Spider-man track the Spider Tracer perfectly in flight. So how did Bullseye manage to hit Spider-man with a Spider Tracer if he can move at supersonic speeds? Simple, he doesn't move at super sonic speeds. Do I need to post the scans of Bullseye tagging him with arrows? None of these projectiles travel at 4000 feet per second, so how did they manage to hit him? I can give you a scan of Daredevil doing something similar but DD is nowhere near as fast as Spidey. Fact is dodging a bullet DOES NOT MAKE YOU FASTER THAN BULLETS!

Your use of Mach is horrible, stop doing so because it only makes you look like a fool.

#47 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@diredrill: You still trying to prove characters like Flash, Quicksilver, Sonic, Yusuke, Superman, Spider Man, Darth Sidous, Alucard, Spawn, and HUNDREDS MORE CHARCTERS in fiction who move at Mach speeds to Hyper sonic Speeds but never have Sonic booms when they do so are not faster than Mach speed?

Argument invalid. Stop trying to disapprove what we all know as facts.

#48 Posted by nick_hero22 (6870 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong said:

@cadencev2 said:

@nick_hero22:

4) Superior Spider-Man has access to all of Peter's memories if I'm not mistaken, and he has undergone training by Shang Chi. I don't see why having Peter's cognitive and muscle memories wouldn't grant him a similar level of expertise with the Spider-Sense?

SpOck has very little grasp on spider sense actually from debates I seen. He also has the memory but not the skill of Way of the Spider at all. That i know for sure. @jashro44 can you confirm this?

I'll step in here. SpOck has never once been shown to use Spider-Fu. Before SpOck completely mind wiped Peter and erased all trace of him (memories included), SpOck only knew the skills and memories he had specifically accessed (like going through a file cabinet). This can be seen with his complete lack of recognition of Flash in the most current issues, and his failure to replicate something Pete did during the whole Spider-Man 2099 debacle. He never accessed Pete's WOTS training before erasing the memories from existence, and has never shown Pete's combat skill, nor his skill/proficiency with spider-sense, and has even been shown to ignore it a time or two.

SpOck doesn't have WOTS and doesn't have Pete's proficiency with spider-sense. He spent his time working on science and tech to deal with foes, rather than access Pete's combat proficiency before wiping all trace of him from his brain.

Thanks for clearing that up

#49 Posted by DireDrill (2447 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Thanks for the concession on the missiles! Also thanks for not in anyway addressing Bullseye tagging Spidey with a slower projectile than a bullet! You make my point for me when you post absolutely nothing to counter it.

  • Flash's Speed Force powers negate the laws of Physics.
  • Quicksilver's Isotope E is what allows him to get around the Sonic Boom effect. Originally, he could not exceed the speed of sound because his body could not handle it.
  • Superman has been documented several times using his powers to negate the impacts of his speed.
  • Darth Sidious uses the Force to alter the laws of physics.
  • Spider-man is not faster than the speed of sound. No one believes he is faster than the speed of sound except for you and your faulty understanding physics.
  • Yusuke, from what I can tell, is no faster than someone like Wesker, who is not faster than the speed of sound. Give me his best speed feat.
  • Spawn is potentially magic which always violates physics. Need a speed feat from him.
  • Don't know Alucard, need a speed feat.
  • Sonic does create sonic booms.

You tend to drastically over-hype situations because of your minimal understanding of science. In the majority of cases, there are justifications in the fiction that create it. Your basis for judgements of speed is wrong, bullet dodging does not put someone at mach 1.

Your argument continues to be epically invalid.

#50 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Thanks for the concession on the missiles! Also thanks for not in anyway addressing Bullseye tagging Spidey with a slower projectile than a bullet! You make my point for me when you post absolutely nothing to counter it.

  • Flash's Speed Force powers negate the laws of Physics.
  • Quicksilver's Isotope E is what allows him to get around the Sonic Boom effect. Originally, he could not exceed the speed of sound because his body could not handle it.
  • Superman has been documented several times using his powers to negate the impacts of his speed.
  • Darth Sidious uses the Force to alter the laws of physics.
  • Spider-man is not faster than the speed of sound. No one believes he is faster than the speed of sound except for you and your faulty understanding physics.
  • Yusuke, from what I can tell, is no faster than someone like Wesker, who is not faster than the speed of sound. Give me his best speed feat.
  • Spawn is potentially magic which always violates physics. Need a speed feat from him.
  • Don't know Alucard, need a speed feat.
  • Sonic does create sonic booms.

You tend to drastically over-hype situations because of your minimal understanding of science. In the majority of cases, there are justifications in the fiction that create it. Your basis for judgements of speed is wrong, bullet dodging does not put someone at mach 1.

Your argument continues to be epically invalid.

Concession on the missiles? I really do not care, I been there and saw/heard them, No Sonic Booms. I was there and never felt or heard a Sonic boom. I could care less what written garbage you posted.

Your so full of fail so far. Most your excuses is of why said characters make no sonic booms is personnel opinion. also the Sonic one with Game mechanics, yet in Archie he has no cone or Sonic Boom.

Lets look how bad you failed.

Sonic Kick TV into Space, no Sonic Boom.

Runs around Planet, no Sonic booms.

Trunks around the world many times, no Sonic Booms.

Dandy Man cuts down 13mm Rifle Gun fire with his hand waving back and forth, No Sonic booms!

This is comics bro! These Writers ignore science half the time lol. I think you did all the work for me of why your wrong :)