Scarlet Witch vs Dr Doom

I'd go with Doom, Wanda is too unreliable with her spells.. she might take him out in one single spell but i doubt it..

DD. he'd off her before she got the chance to do anything.

Scarlet Witch

Doom can do this with his eyes closed.

I think would find her to be more that he is ready for.

Doom all the way!

Doom

Evan when there is no way Doom can win he seems to anyway thats why i like him and i belive Doom will win

even if its house of m doom still wins.

Well thats just Doom for ya !

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

"StrongestOneThereIs said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

Hey Phoenix,

What do you think of Wanda having the Phoenix entity? Think she would be more powerful than Jean?
"

no, because she does not have what it takes to house the power of the Phoenix without being a pawn in whatever phoenix work would be imposed on her.  As far as Phoenix is concerned there is nobody that can wield it better than Jean, as White Phoenix her power over it is absolute if she doesn't want you using it you can't, as a matter of fact plain Jean channeling no Phoenix is able to remove the Phoenix from somebody else using it, even against the will of the piece of the Phoenix involved."

LMFAO.

"Vance Astro said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

Doom can kill her before she even opens her mouth..prep or no prep."

she doesn't need to opn her mouth with a gesture she can short out his suit, if she is warping reality wanda two of the most powerful mutants and the sorceror surpreme couldn't even phase her, i doubt Doom would do any better."

"fesak said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"StrongestOneThereIs said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

Hey Phoenix,

What do you think of Wanda having the Phoenix entity? Think she would be more powerful than Jean?
"

no, because she does not have what it takes to house the power of the Phoenix without being a pawn in whatever phoenix work would be imposed on her.  As far as Phoenix is concerned there is nobody that can wield it better than Jean, as White Phoenix her power over it is absolute if she doesn't want you using it you can't, as a matter of fact plain Jean channeling no Phoenix is able to remove the Phoenix from somebody else using it, even against the will of the piece of the Phoenix involved."

This is not the fanfic forum."

you should remember that next time you infer that Xorn is somehow more powrful than Jean with the Phoenix because of what happened involving her preordained death.  Not to mention it is all fact, Emma Frost possessed by Dark Phoenix was quickly spanked and the Phoenix forcibly removed from her by Jean, who according to the Phoenix was not using it's power when she did it, she even shocked the Phoenix, which had no intention of leaving Emma, when it found out using her form would help her get what she came for.
616 Jean Grey as Phoenix of the White Crown appeared in the What if? involving Vulcan taking the power of the Phoenix from every host throughout creation, since that part of the story took place in the nexus of all realities for all intents and purposes Vulcan was in possession of the entire Phoenix Force, yet White Phoenix shut him down completely with no problem and had set him up to take all the power from the start, to show him even having absolute power would not get him what he wanted.  Fanfic indeed. nice try though, almost clever and witty even, too bad it just ends up making you look like a jerk when it is backed up by all these facts."

Doom would win easy.

"master-toxin said:

"Doom would win easy."

By doing what exactly?  this thread is full of people saying he'd win and quite easily I might add, anybody care to elaborate?"

"Vance Astro said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

Doom can kill her before she even opens her mouth..prep or no prep."

she doesn't need to opn her mouth with a gesture she can short out his suit, if she is warping reality wanda two of the most powerful mutants and the sorceror surpreme couldn't even phase her, i doubt Doom would do any better."

"Vance Astro said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Vance Astro said:

"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:

"Technically even with prep he should lose, even if you think you prepared for what you believe to be every possible outcome a person with her level of probability manipulation should be able to surprise you."

Doom can kill her before she even opens her mouth..prep or no prep."

she doesn't need to opn her mouth with a gesture she can short out his suit, if she is warping reality wanda two of the most powerful mutants and the sorceror surpreme couldn't even phase her, i doubt Doom would do any better."

What do you think it take her longer to so...say something or make a gesture.Doom has hit people faster than Wanda before the could do anything.Doom isn't Strange..he doesn't need spells..he has technology above the level of Iron Man..who would also destroy Wanda."

So you're under the impression that because she has used gesture and spoken that it is needed for her psionic power to work?  When she said "No more mutants" it was for dramatic effect, so that we the readers knew what was going on, as she had been warping reality before in her sleep, she also was shot from behind by Hawkeye, the arrow seemingly pirecing her heart and you know what she did, she got up and deconstructed him with nothing more than a thought.  Weak and barely able to lift her arms with one hex she takes down Dormammu.  One version of her warps reality and at that level of power she can reverse her death by mundane means and literally tear her opponent apart, the other version is hex power only Wanda weakened and able to take down an opponent that would wreck Doom."

Yet when she reshaped the world during HoM he was effected by her power and was basically the lapdog of her father.  You want me to name people she can beat that he can't, but first you said he would just be too fast and would take her out, I tell you how she can instantly resurrect and you say so can Daredevil, and that reverseing death is not powerful?  So when you say he can take her out quick and I tell you she can reverse anything he does to her by manipulateing causality that is not powerful how?  Taking out Dormammu is now an unimpressive feat?  Do you know who Dormammu is?  Then you talk of him taking hits from Thanos, and then say the elders and gods couldn't take it, yet the powerless Nebula can, sounds like a bunch of PIS to me.  Dr. Doom couldn't even handle the power of Onslaught before he became Onslaught, during his conception the evil of magneto infected Xavier, Doom witnesses this and tried to tap that power then, before it was anywhere near the power it was before he even took Nate and Franklin he was nearly destroyed, even though he was througly prepared for it.  "No more Doom" and he's gone, no matter what he does to her before she utters it, because she can change cause and effect allowing her to reset time and rewrite reality to undo what he has done."

What do you mean what does it have to do with anything, it has everything to do with this, the master of prep, powerful enough to handle all the Marvel universe has to offer yet he is subsumed by her warp.  When her powers first started to act up nobody knew it was her.  Hawkeye is an Avenger, he shot her it didn't take, Doom would have failed too.  Both Xavier and Strange tried to stop her and failed.  Ultron with his adamantium hide and circuts built to protect him from harm was not immune to her hex power, but Doom would be?  He won't kill her because her powers rewrite history to fit her desires, dead would mean her soul left her body and her consciousness cannot access the Earth plane, if she can still employ her power then she could not be dead.  Mentioning Onslaught was to illustrate to you how much PIS is involved in his so called conquest against beings that are more powerful than Onslaught, he can handle a blast from the IG, but not a nascent Onslaught.  The point of Nebula is also to illustrate PIS, how ever she got it, she got it, and Spider Man was dodging IG blasts with nothing more than spider sense, like I said "no more Doom" and he's gone.  So powerful he can withstand the IG, but he cannot survive Terrax and Silver Surfer fighting each other?  He is so crafty and able to beat "just about every powerful being in Marvel" he was captured and locked up in the Raft. "

doom can just take her powers away for himself.

He was allowed to steal the Beyonders power, so next. 

but a NASCENT Onslaught which was only Xaviers telepathy and a little of Magnetos power no reality warping or Nate Grey power hit him (fully prepared for this, because he was seeking Onslaught through time) with a psi blast and overloaded him with power instantly (this would also negate that crap about him being more powerful than Xavier since Onslaughts telepathy is Xaviers telepathy.)

So I'll say again there are more instances of him being either fully or nearly destroyed by forces that are beneath the power of the IG, therefore him standing up to it would appear to be PIS.  "NO MORE DOOM" for the win.

Doom.

I'll go with Double Ds.

"Doom."

Doctor Doom. As much as I like The Scarlet Witch, I don't think she's a match for Doom alone. He's matched gods, cosmic entities and entire teams of superheroes. Even if she was in HoM-mode, he'd find a way to manipulate her, and control her powers. QuickSilver did, and he isn't even a genius.

Wanda clearly Doom has no counter seeing as in House of M, he was reduced to a Magneto flaky if Doom was so great, I would expect him to break that spell or at least recover his memories of the other world. that pretty much proves in a straight up fight he has no counter also in Children Crusade, Doom has had Wanda for a while and still has no counter plan expect don't let her get her memories back.

if the battle is between Classic Scarlet Witch versus Doctor Doom, i would easily say Doctor Doom.. 
 
but if it Doom versus Wanda during the height of her powers in HOM, i would say Wanda.. there seems to be no limits to her powers during HOM as she can alter reality in a Multiversal scale and permanently shifting all the possible futures of the entire Marvel Continuity.. and contrary to popular beliefs, Wanda doesn't need to speak or do any hand gestures to use her powers during HOM.. she only has to think and that thought would become reality.. just a stray thought could permanently erase Dr. Doom from existence.. plus we also must consider that Doom is a prep master.. he has things prepared for every possible scenario.. he's a genius for Pete's sake.. but Wanda was born with the power to affect probability and induce chaos.. she can conjure series of unfortunate events.. it is the perfect arsenal for someone against such as Doom for sometimes no matter how prepared you are, some things doesn't always happen as you planned them.. Wanda controls probability.. she controls the improbable and the impossible.. she craft chaos as others work with clay.. and now with the unholy blessing of a primeval demon, Wanda possess the power to alter reality which has no boundaries.. as her power to alter reality stemmed out from her natural ability to control probability, it suggest that she doesn't need exist matter to warp reality.. only possibilities which for all intents and purposes.. endless..  
 
here is a scan saying that Wanda is more powerful than Doom.. 

Wanda wins, doom would hang no chance without prep.

wanda

Wanda. He was actually affected by Wanda's warp back then.

Scarlet Witch.

Scarlet Witch

Wanda.

Bump

Doom already admitted and shown that Wanda can f*** him over no matter what. No amount of prep is beating a reality manipulator on her level.

I forgot what comic I’m thinking of but I remember Doom needing Wanda to help him with one of his plans. If that’s true then that implies Wanda is more powerful or he would just do it himself

I’ve never seen this before but there’s a lot of Doom wank in this thread. Also Wanda at peak power is multiversal and capable of beating 90% of the mutant is population

Wanda erases him from existence.

This, pretty much.

Wanda smiles and Doom wets himself

@vance_astro: Iron-Man is weak compared to her. You do realize that she doesn't need to gesture or speak either, right?

^

Lol

This thread be like,

Before Children's Crusade and AXIS: WTF IS THIS EVEN A MATCH DOOM WOULD CURBSTOMP WANDA WITH NO DIFF LOCK THIS FFS!

After: oh.

Doom wins easily. Wanda is a glass cannon.

Let's pretend like his durability prevents him from getting one-shot by her again :p