#1 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep, until death. Who wins?

#2 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

scarlet witch CAN beat loki.

her powers are from an elder god, while loki is a minor god!
#3 Posted by MarvelHouseofstormscarletwitch_delete (175 posts) - - Show Bio

(sw) will own loki in more ways then one,but loki is a tough cookie to battle with.

#4 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10257 posts) - - Show Bio

Full powered Wanda....as in "HOM level" Wanda?
#5 Posted by sa5m (2112 posts) - - Show Bio

Hom Wanda will win

#6 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30
Yes House of M Wanda.

#7 Posted by charlieboy (7158 posts) - - Show Bio

wanda wins this one.
#8 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

Really, how does she do it? Haha I honestly don't know too much about Loki (just saw Thor the othe day, was inspired) but I thought this might have benn more of a debate... Now I'm just curious :p
#9 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
Really, how does she do it? Haha I honestly don't know too much about Loki (just saw Thor the othe day, was inspired) but I thought this might have benn more of a debate... Now I'm just curious :p
by wanda's  'full power' you are implying that she is at 100% full potential mutant hex PLUS her streaming extra power from chthon's chaos magic. yes, loki can beat wanda with just her hexes alone, but with chthon backing her up, loki is simply no match... think of it this way.... chthon is basically loki's great great great great  great grand father. he is a part of the for original elder gods of demuirge, and pantheons are just the spawns of those gods. loki is not even a sky father so this just makes his chances even more less. however, if you give loki prep time, he might be able to defeat her, but he has to defeat her with out her being forewarned of his attack.
#10 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro
Ah, thank you. I wasn't entirely informed on Wanda's HoM power source, but that explains a lot. Thank you (:
#11 Posted by lord_galactus (891 posts) - - Show Bio

House of M wanda has powers that work on mutants but loki is on a whole level of his own world in magics so..I say close fight but loki 

#12 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3597 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic Strange Had problems with Loki, He's more powerful than given credit for. She can win, but he's probably more powerful
#13 Posted by TheSupremeBeing (205 posts) - - Show Bio

from what i heard Hom Scarlet Which=>Mad Jim Japsers

 

#14 Posted by Agent9149 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
scarlet witch CAN beat loki.
her powers are from an elder god, while loki is a minor god!
which elder god o.0
#15 Posted by TheUltimateSurvivor (840 posts) - - Show Bio
@agent9149 said:
@Lance Bastro said:
scarlet witch CAN beat loki.
her powers are from an elder god, while loki is a minor god!
which elder god o.0
Chthon.
#16 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki would lie his way out of the fight lol

#17 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3525 posts) - - Show Bio

What is to stop Loki, the Trickster God, from messing with her mentally so that she does something that will work out in his favor? HoM Wanda was psychotic and while she could take out more conventional opponents, Loki might be able to neutralize her indirectly.

#18 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@PhoenixoftheTides said:
What is to stop Loki, the Trickster God, from messing with her mentally so that she does something that will work out in his favor? HoM Wanda was psychotic and while she could take out more conventional opponents, Loki might be able to neutralize her indirectly.
that's a good point. i actually used this argument once about deceit, but even though that it is possible, wanda of HOM is sorta koo koo for coo-coo puffs. her powers are unstable an her mind of controlling them is unstable. so if loki so much as frightens her or angers her in some way, that emotion might trigger a hex that chain reacts into a chaos wave. meaning he would have to be very careful of his tricking her. i say by either transforming himself into peitro or vision.
#19 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
@EmmaGrace said:
Really, how does she do it? Haha I honestly don't know too much about Loki (just saw Thor the othe day, was inspired) but I thought this might have benn more of a debate... Now I'm just curious :p
by wanda's  'full power' you are implying that she is at 100% full potential mutant hex PLUS her streaming extra power from chthon's chaos magic. yes, loki can beat wanda with just her hexes alone, but with chthon backing her up, loki is simply no match... think of it this way.... chthon is basically loki's great great great great  great grand father. he is a part of the for original elder gods of demuirge, and pantheons are just the spawns of those gods. loki is not even a sky father so this just makes his chances even more less. however, if you give loki prep time, he might be able to defeat her, but he has to defeat her with out her being forewarned of his attack.
actually more like great great great great great great grand uncle as Chthon is brother to Gaea who in turn is the Mother Goddess of Earth's pantheons.. ^_^


this is not even a battle.. Wanda at classic levels has already defeat Loki by disrupting probabilities.. Wanda's hex powers can destabilize spells making them backfire.. Wanda used this ti counter Loki's teleportation spell..


she was also shown capable of disrupting the powers of other powerful sorcerers such as the Enchantress.. the legendary Morgan Le Fay once sought Wanda in hopes to use her powers to warp reality based on her image which she actually did.. Wanda is powerful enough even at her classic levels to defeat the likes of Dormammu himself..

now, HoM Scarlet Witch is far beyond what Loki can handle.. a stray thought is the only thing she needs to erase him from existence.. 

this battle is a spite.. :P
#20 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016
Wow never knew Wanda was that strong. And no, not spite. I honestly didn't know much about these two but I watched Thor and since they both have magic power I thought it would be an interesting match up... I actually thought Loki would win, but apparently not haha.
#21 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@Lance Bastro said:
@EmmaGrace said:
Really, how does she do it? Haha I honestly don't know too much about Loki (just saw Thor the othe day, was inspired) but I thought this might have benn more of a debate... Now I'm just curious :p
by wanda's  'full power' you are implying that she is at 100% full potential mutant hex PLUS her streaming extra power from chthon's chaos magic. yes, loki can beat wanda with just her hexes alone, but with chthon backing her up, loki is simply no match... think of it this way.... chthon is basically loki's great great great great  great grand father. he is a part of the for original elder gods of demuirge, and pantheons are just the spawns of those gods. loki is not even a sky father so this just makes his chances even more less. however, if you give loki prep time, he might be able to defeat her, but he has to defeat her with out her being forewarned of his attack.
actually more like great great great great great great grand uncle as Chthon is brother to Gaea who in turn is the Mother Goddess of Earth's pantheons.. ^_^


this is not even a battle.. Wanda at classic levels has already defeat Loki by disrupting probabilities.. Wanda's hex powers can destabilize spells making them backfire.. Wanda used this ti counter Loki's teleportation spell..


she was also shown capable of disrupting the powers of other powerful sorcerers such as the Enchantress.. the legendary Morgan Le Fay once sought Wanda in hopes to use her powers to warp reality based on her image which she actually did.. Wanda is powerful enough even at her classic levels to defeat the likes of Dormammu himself..

now, HoM Scarlet Witch is far beyond what Loki can handle.. a stray thought is the only thing she needs to erase him from existence.. 

this battle is a spite.. :P

thanks for the correction. you are the specialist of the elder gods after all =p
yea, a full potential wanda is too beast for loki to fight straight up.

#22 Posted by Out_of_Space (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry Loki but you lose.
#23 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
@lord_oraculous016: Wow never knew Wanda was that strong. And no, not spite. I honestly didn't know much about these two but I watched Thor and since they both have magic power I thought it would be an interesting match up... I actually thought Loki would win, but apparently not haha.
it's okay.. i guess i was an honest mistake.. actually i can show you the full extent of the Scarlet Witch's powers during House of M..

during the aftermath of Avengers Disassembled, Wanda's mind is slowly degenerating from madness and grief after knowing that she killed some of her closest friends and destroyed the Avengers..

Charles Xavier and Doctor Strange first tried to help her and heal her mind but they could not.. they cannot even stop the effects of Wanda's powers.. she easily countered Doctor Strange's efforts..


just to stop their advances, Wanda even plucked Doctor Strange's greatest foe, the dreaded Dormammu from his realm.. Wanda did this while she was asleep..


unable to contain her powers for much longer and heal her broken mind, Charles Xavier gathered the Avengers and the X-Men to decide the fate of the Scarlet Witch.. Quicksilver hearing about their plans went to his sister and asked her to change reality so that everyone would be happy..


and with a flash, Wanda Maximoff changed reality into an utopia where everyone lives their greatest desires..


Wanda Maximoff changed the entire 616 reality into another plane of existence.. 


Wanda imbued Genis-Vell with so much power that he literally blink the universe in and out..


she can wipe anyone from existence if she wanted too like what she did to Hawkeye and Nuke..


the use oh her powers made a tear in the fabric of reality which unleashed a wave of unimaginable power which literally destroyed and re-created the omniverse itself and feared to be capable of reaching even to the Throne of God himself.. 



when things didn't turn out the way she wanted to be and chaos cascade, and seeing her own brother being killed by her own father, Wanda uttered three little words.. "NO MORE MUTANTS"


the full extent of what she did was later on revealed when Beast sought a way to undo the effects of M-Day.. with Doctor Strange's help, Beast found out that Wanda cast her spell upon billions of souls, over worlds and dimensions, chnaging the landscape of reality itself..


it was also revealed that Wanda even affected alternate realities..



and she also shifted the possible futures of the Marvel Continuity..


furthermore, in a reality diverging from the House of M's concluding events, "What If Scarlet Witch Ended the House of M event by saying No More Powers?", Wanda Maximoff is shown to display an even greater extent of power to remove at least all of Earth's super-humans of all their personal abilities, including breaking the connection a Sorcerer Supreme has with the mystic arts, canceling cosmic-energy based powers, such as that of the Fantastic Four, stripping all the world's mutants of their variety of powers and eliminating powers caused by irradiation on a cellular level or by gamma-ray blood transfusions, as well as revealing and de-powering all the concealed Skrulls on Earth and all Inhumans, including Black Bolt on Earth's moon..


well, that is basically it.. i hope i help in describing the powers of the Scarlet Witch..  ^_^

#24 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace said:
@lord_oraculous016: Wow never knew Wanda was that strong. And no, not spite. I honestly didn't know much about these two but I watched Thor and since they both have magic power I thought it would be an interesting match up... I actually thought Loki would win, but apparently not haha.
how is thor? (the movie)
#25 Posted by EmmaGrace (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro
Wow thanks haha, and I was skeptical but really enjoyed it (: But I don't know much about Thor so they could have messed things up that I didn't even realize.. Anyays overall I really enjoyed it.

 

And Chris Hemsworth is SEXY!!! <3 :D

#26 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@Lance Bastro said:
@EmmaGrace said:
Really, how does she do it? Haha I honestly don't know too much about Loki (just saw Thor the othe day, was inspired) but I thought this might have benn more of a debate... Now I'm just curious :p
by wanda's  'full power' you are implying that she is at 100% full potential mutant hex PLUS her streaming extra power from chthon's chaos magic. yes, loki can beat wanda with just her hexes alone, but with chthon backing her up, loki is simply no match... think of it this way.... chthon is basically loki's great great great great  great grand father. he is a part of the for original elder gods of demuirge, and pantheons are just the spawns of those gods. loki is not even a sky father so this just makes his chances even more less. however, if you give loki prep time, he might be able to defeat her, but he has to defeat her with out her being forewarned of his attack.
actually more like great great great great great great grand uncle as Chthon is brother to Gaea who in turn is the Mother Goddess of Earth's pantheons.. ^_^


this is not even a battle.. Wanda at classic levels has already defeat Loki by disrupting probabilities.. Wanda's hex powers can destabilize spells making them backfire.. Wanda used this ti counter Loki's teleportation spell..


she was also shown capable of disrupting the powers of other powerful sorcerers such as the Enchantress.. the legendary Morgan Le Fay once sought Wanda in hopes to use her powers to warp reality based on her image which she actually did.. Wanda is powerful enough even at her classic levels to defeat the likes of Dormammu himself..

now, HoM Scarlet Witch is far beyond what Loki can handle.. a stray thought is the only thing she needs to erase him from existence.. 

this battle is a spite.. :P

thanks for the correction. you are the specialist of the elder gods after all =p
yea, a full potential wanda is too beast for loki to fight straight up.

lolz.. no problem.. ^_^
#27 Posted by MarvelHouseofstormscarletwitch_delete (175 posts) - - Show Bio

-( poor loki

#28 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda wins

#29 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3525 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it depends on what Loki does. If he throws spells and attacks her directly, she should be able to handle him at HoM levels. If he turns into Quicksilver, one of her sons or someone she cares about and convinces her that it would be best if she were never born, she could BFR herself letting Loki win. It is trickier to make a call on this since Loki is more prone to attacking in a subtle way, and HoM Wanda doesn't have the mental faculties to recognize this. She's got the power advantage, but Loki is not likely to try a frontal assault. She obviously takes the majority, though, since Loki could mess up and get cubed away like Hawkeye did.

#30 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10257 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace
Thanks. Then I think Wanda wins this.
#31 Posted by sa5m (2112 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Scarlet Witch can do it

#32 Posted by BlackDove (375 posts) - - Show Bio

The Witch.
#33 Posted by termiteone4ever (7142 posts) - - Show Bio

LOki would lose

#34 Posted by Kimmy (203 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016: your good really good:)<3
#35 Edited by Battle_Scarred_Shogun (353 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016
I swear  you and prince corthwutchmacallit annoy me to no end. All of your scans have been proven to be fabrications...lies.... false....and on top of that most of them you admitted it were false. And yet you're posting the exact same scans in the exact same context...in multiple  threads. You're not doing wanda any justice by pathetically spreading information you know to be false.. People like you are seriously annoying.


1.if you're going to make the claim that charles couldnt stop wanda.....dont start with scans showing him doing just that...and then follow it up with they were powerless. 


2. Charles and strange could stop her powers..in fact charles did it in HOM number 1. He could not however heal her mind......he couldnt because magneto kept interfering hoping charles would be forced to kill her. Wanda did not counter anything....in fact the only time wanda and strange fought....he beat her with a single spell..which is how wanda came to be in charles possesion in the first place. 

3. As i said to you and you later admitted,  Dormammu was an illusion...it wasnt the real  Dormammu..it was a memory from doctor strange the same way magneto pulled memories from the wundagore to attack charles and strange. The same way he pulled the x men and sinister in. The same way he pulled charles ex gf in. Again you've been shown this before and you admitted to it...and yet you pathetically spread information knowing it's false to hype wanda? You're not doing wanda any justice. What i find the most pathetic thing about you purposely lying is that you use scans that are heavily edited from kmc and the exact same wording as the person who made that respect thread when you try and push your agenda...which makes me think that you're willing to lie and spread false info trying in attempt to hype a version of a character from a comic you've never picked up. 




4. Genis-Vell.....Genis-Vell was able to blink a universe out of existance because of baron zemo used moonstones to heal genis-vell after he was nearly killed and then using energy from the beggining nd end of time to make the recovery faster. This caused gennis to be connected to the universe...thus was able to destroy it. Zemo travels time with the moonstones he used to heal genis and finds this out and then goes back and kills genis before he destroys the universe. It had absloutley nothing to do with wanda...in any way shape or form...most of the events leading to him being able to blink out a universe happened way before HOM even started =/

5. wanda did not create and or control the chaos wave.The chaos was was a temporal storm. It effected the omniverse because of a hole in space. Mentioning any feat from the chaos wave is completely and totally irrelevant to what wanda is capable of. 


6. Roma who oversees the entire omniverse says wanda effected 1 planet, earth 616 when she created HOM. The exiles who also overlook the entire omniverse says wanda effected one planet, earth 616. The exiles stated she effected only earth 616 when both when she created HOM and when she said no more mutants. The exiles detect any and all reality alterations throughout the omniverse. Lord keeps making the claim that wandas no more mutants spell effected the omniverse. And yet the exiles kept going into alternate earths in which mutants were still running around in the millions. The exiles went to planets where there were only mutants and no humans, or where there were more mutants than there were humans. They even went to the AOA timeline that lord keeps babbling on about..and no alteration to the mutant line was detected when they went....where magneto still works for the president as leader of mutant affairs...and he still has his powers when the 616 magneto did not. Earth 616 mutant population was reduced from millions to around 300...and yet the exiles kept going to worlds where mutants existed in the millions..both before and after endangered species. Meaning whatever lord has to say about scans he got from kmc about endangered species are wrong. Multiple canon comic series and people who oversee the omniverse says wanda effected one planet. What they say>>what beast and strange says. Wanda messing with reality created universes that branched from her alteration which is what beast and strange saw..thats the logical conclusion without calling HOM a gaping plothole mess...lord will of course ignore this and just claim wanda effected the multiverse despite people who oversee the omniverse say otherwise. Despite mutants still running around in the millions in all other earths.

#36 Edited by Battle_Scarred_Shogun (353 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kimmy said:

@lord_oraculous016: your good really good:)<3

the only thing lo is good at is lying....knowing he's spreading false information and deciding to do it anyway.
#37 Posted by Sherlock (7252 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki dies horribly HOM Wanda was a fvckin beast Loki isnt even in the same league

#38 Posted by Bucketz (827 posts) - - Show Bio

HOM Wanda should win.

#39 Posted by TheUltimateSurvivor (840 posts) - - Show Bio
@Battle_Scarred_Shogun said:
@lord_oraculous016
I swear  you and prince corthwutchmacallit annoy me to no end. All of your scans have been proven to be fabrications...lies.... false....and on top of that most of them you admitted it were false.And yet you're posting the exact same scans in the exact same context...in multiple  threads. You're not doing wanda any justice by being pathetic and spreading false information.. People like you are seriously annoying.


1.if you're going to make the claim that charles couldnt stop wanda.....dont start with scans showing him doing just that...and then follow it up with they were powerless. 


2. Charles and strange could stop her powers..in fact charles did it in HOM number 1. He could not however heal her mind......he couldnt because magneto kept interfering hoping chalres would be forced to kill her. Wanda did not counter anything....in fact the only time wanda and strange fought....he beat her with a single spell..which is how wanda came to be in charles possesion in the first place. 

3. As i said to you and you later admitted,  Dormammu was an illusion...it wasnt the real  Dormammu..it was a memory from doctor strange the same way magneto pulled memories from the wundagore to attack charles and strange. The same way he pulled the x men and sinister in. The same way he pulled charles ex gf in. Again you've been shown this before and you admitted to it...and yet you pathetically spread information knowing it's false to hype wanda? You're not doing wanda any justice. What i find the most pathetic thing about you purposely lying is that you use scans that are heavily edited from kmc and the exact same wording as the person who made that respect thread when you try and push your agenda...which makes me think that you're willing to lie and spread false info trying in attempt to hype a version of a character from a comic you've never picked up. 




4. Genis-Vell.....Genis-Vell was able to blink a universe out of existance because of baron zemo used moonstones to heal genis-vell after he was nearly killed and then using energy from the beggining nd end of time to make the recovery faster. This caused gennis to be connected to the universe...thus was able to destroy it. Zemo travels time with the moonstones he used to heal genis and finds this out and then goes back and kills genis before he destroys the universe. It had absloutley nothing to do with wanda...in any way shape or form...most of the events leading to him being able to blink out a universe happened way before HOM even started =/

5. wanda did not create and or control the chaos wave.The chaos was was a temporal storm. It effected the omniverse because of a hole in space. Mentioning any feat from the chaos wave is completely and totally irrelevant to what wanda is capable of. 


6. Roma who oversees the entire omniverse says wanda effected 1 planet, earth 616 when she created HOM. The exiles who also overlook the entire omniverse says wanda effected one planet, earth 616. The exiles stated she effected only earth 616 when both when she created HOM and when she said no more mutants. The exiles detect any and all reality alterations throughout the omniverse. Lord keeps making the claim that wandas no more mutants spell effected the omniverse. And yet the exiles kept going into alternate earths in which mutants were still running around in the millions. The exiles went to planets where there were only mutants and no humans, or where there were more mutants than there were humans. They even went to the AOA timeline that lord keeps babbling on about..and no alteration to the mutant line was detected when they went....where magneto still works for the president as leader of mutant affairs...and he still has his powers when the 616 magneto did not. Earth 616 mutant population was reduced from millions to around 300...and yet the exiles kept going to worlds where mutants existed in the millions..both before and after endangered species. Meaning whatever lord has to say about scans he got from kmc about endangered species are wrong. Multiple canon comic series and people who oversee the omniverse says wanda effected one planet. What they say>>what beast and strange says. Wanda messing with reality created universes that branched from her alteration which is what beast and strange saw..thats the logical conclusion without calling HOM a gaping plothole mess...lord will of course ignore this and just claim wanda effected the multiverse despite people who oversee the omniverse say otherwise. Despite mutants still running around in the millions in all other earths.

Finally someone pwns that trollaculous or whatever he is. I'm tired of seeing his entire bullshit about Chaos Wave, HoM Wanda or his beloved Chthon.
#40 Edited by PhoenixoftheTides (3525 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmmaGrace: Wanda is powerful but inconsistent. That scan is from "Heroes Reborn", I believe, based on their costumes. I'm not sure if that is considered canon since that was a different dimension from the 616 universe. IIRC it was a pocket dimension created by Franklin Richards.
#41 Posted by alexandrinus (429 posts) - - Show Bio
@PhoenixoftheTides said:
@EmmaGrace: Wanda is powerful but inconsistent. That scan is from "Heroes Reborn", I believe, based on their costumes. I'm not sure if that is considered canon since that was a different dimension from the 616 universe. IIRC it was a pocket dimension created by Franklin Richards.


Yes, besides that is not even the real Thor nor the real Loki. The real Loki was dead at that time killed by Thor. That Thor is also a fabrication made by Franklin as the real Thor shortly appeared and batlled that one.

 

And the figth I think could go either way. Wanda is powerfull indeed but she usually is never in control of her powers (when using them to the fullest) and most of the times not even she knows what teh outcome will be. I even think that she would win due to her mutant powers and not due to her magic abilities. Loki defeated Strange easily in the past and his one of the most powerfull sorceres in Asgard and the NIne realms. He is a match to Wanda's magic.

 

And Cthon is nothing to Loki, not uncle nor grandfather. Loki is not the son of Odin but of a Frost Giant and they are not gods. Gaia did not gave birth to them (nor none of her offsprings).

#42 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kimmy said:
@lord_oraculous016: your good really good:)<3
wow thank you.. i'm deeply honored.. 
#43 Posted by Battle_Scarred_Shogun (353 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheUltimateSurvivor said:
@Battle_Scarred_Shogun said:
@lord_oraculous016
I swear  you and prince corthwutchmacallit annoy me to no end. All of your scans have been proven to be fabrications...lies.... false....and on top of that most of them you admitted it were false.And yet you're posting the exact same scans in the exact same context...in multiple  threads. You're not doing wanda any justice by being pathetic and spreading false information.. People like you are seriously annoying.


1.if you're going to make the claim that charles couldnt stop wanda.....dont start with scans showing him doing just that...and then follow it up with they were powerless. 


2. Charles and strange could stop her powers..in fact charles did it in HOM number 1. He could not however heal her mind......he couldnt because magneto kept interfering hoping chalres would be forced to kill her. Wanda did not counter anything....in fact the only time wanda and strange fought....he beat her with a single spell..which is how wanda came to be in charles possesion in the first place. 

3. As i said to you and you later admitted,  Dormammu was an illusion...it wasnt the real  Dormammu..it was a memory from doctor strange the same way magneto pulled memories from the wundagore to attack charles and strange. The same way he pulled the x men and sinister in. The same way he pulled charles ex gf in. Again you've been shown this before and you admitted to it...and yet you pathetically spread information knowing it's false to hype wanda? You're not doing wanda any justice. What i find the most pathetic thing about you purposely lying is that you use scans that are heavily edited from kmc and the exact same wording as the person who made that respect thread when you try and push your agenda...which makes me think that you're willing to lie and spread false info trying in attempt to hype a version of a character from a comic you've never picked up. 




4. Genis-Vell.....Genis-Vell was able to blink a universe out of existance because of baron zemo used moonstones to heal genis-vell after he was nearly killed and then using energy from the beggining nd end of time to make the recovery faster. This caused gennis to be connected to the universe...thus was able to destroy it. Zemo travels time with the moonstones he used to heal genis and finds this out and then goes back and kills genis before he destroys the universe. It had absloutley nothing to do with wanda...in any way shape or form...most of the events leading to him being able to blink out a universe happened way before HOM even started =/

5. wanda did not create and or control the chaos wave.The chaos was was a temporal storm. It effected the omniverse because of a hole in space. Mentioning any feat from the chaos wave is completely and totally irrelevant to what wanda is capable of. 


6. Roma who oversees the entire omniverse says wanda effected 1 planet, earth 616 when she created HOM. The exiles who also overlook the entire omniverse says wanda effected one planet, earth 616. The exiles stated she effected only earth 616 when both when she created HOM and when she said no more mutants. The exiles detect any and all reality alterations throughout the omniverse. Lord keeps making the claim that wandas no more mutants spell effected the omniverse. And yet the exiles kept going into alternate earths in which mutants were still running around in the millions. The exiles went to planets where there were only mutants and no humans, or where there were more mutants than there were humans. They even went to the AOA timeline that lord keeps babbling on about..and no alteration to the mutant line was detected when they went....where magneto still works for the president as leader of mutant affairs...and he still has his powers when the 616 magneto did not. Earth 616 mutant population was reduced from millions to around 300...and yet the exiles kept going to worlds where mutants existed in the millions..both before and after endangered species. Meaning whatever lord has to say about scans he got from kmc about endangered species are wrong. Multiple canon comic series and people who oversee the omniverse says wanda effected one planet. What they say>>what beast and strange says. Wanda messing with reality created universes that branched from her alteration which is what beast and strange saw..thats the logical conclusion without calling HOM a gaping plothole mess...lord will of course ignore this and just claim wanda effected the multiverse despite people who oversee the omniverse say otherwise. Despite mutants still running around in the millions in all other earths.

Finally someone pwns that trollaculous or whatever he is. I'm tired of seeing his entire bullshit about Chaos Wave, HoM Wanda or his beloved Chthon.
he's been owned a billion and 1 times....he knows that everything in his post is a complete and total lie...because he acknowledged it as months ago in a scarlett witch vs willow thread...and yet here he is pathetically spreading information he knows to be false. Wanda did not create or control the chaos wave...wanda did not do anything he claimed she did in this thread other than warp reality on 616 earth.
#44 Posted by cameron83 (7152 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda stomps with ease

#45 Posted by X_insignia1 (1384 posts) - - Show Bio

lol why bump this? i also think thread thread really doesn't hold much, considering that it was revealed her HoM levels resulted from an external power amp..

#46 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

her manipulation on Chaos magic is too powerful to be resisted by Loki..at 100% she could counters all Loki's spell....

See the House of M.

#47 Edited by devilsmaydie (24 posts) - - Show Bio

The most important thing to note about House of M (aside from it being another poor Bendis story) is that everything done was not HER power. She had the life force in her, which was confirmed the source of her godlike powers (which, such as they are, are still overrated). Any magic user could have done the same had they the life force transferred into them. Plus there was Chthon who had souped her up. Also SHE never defeated Dormammu, she was nothing compared to him, she merely took advantage of a distraction caused by Loki and cast a hex on the evil eye which then turned its energies on him.

Loki is severely underrated in terms of power. He overpowered the Silver Surfer before who stated his power could decimate planets. But as for easily beating Dr Strange that's sort of not true. His best showings against Strange (where he seemingly almost did defeat him) were early in his career when he was still an apprentice (back when Baron Mordo could give him a run for his money, as apposed to when Strange could end him with a gesture). For an example of a fight later on, Loki had in possession and amplified himself with Strange's artifacts and still couldn't do a thing to him. But this is Scarlet Witch we're talking about and while she is quite powerful she's not up there with them.

#48 Posted by Eisenfauste (8112 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet.