Scarlet Spider (Kaine) vs Hobgoblin (Phil)

Rules:

-Random encounter.

-Begin 30 feet apart.

-In character (this means it's unlikely Phil will just spam the scream the whole time, silly).

-Standard gear for both (Kaine has his outfit and all that comes with it, Phil has his sword, pumpkin bombs, daggers and wings).

-For the sake of balance, Kaine's attire will not be immune to sonics.

-Standard elimination rules apply.

Location:

Unpopulated. Vehicles are stationary.

I'm going to go ahead and say that Kaine stomps. Reason being is the suit that he is wearing. Kaine's suit if I remember correctly, is the suit Spider-Man designed for fighting Hobogoblin specifically. Kaine got it during the Spider-Island story arc when he fought Queen. That suit should make him completely immune to Phil's scream. That leaves Phil with pumpkin bombs, his sword, and other various gadgets. These can be a threat, but when you basically have a Spider-Man with less morals, I don't think a Goblin would be a threat. Also I can't confirm this, but I believe since his transformation from Spider-King or whatever it was Kaine has Spider-Man's "Other" abilities making him an even bigger threat.

@Nobody: Hah, I completely forgot that was Pete's costume and Kaine just redesigned it. That's what I get for being up at 3am.

Call me crazy, but I still think Phil is quite a threat without the lunatic laugh.

Still to early to gauge any of Kaine's abilities apart from his reflexes due to lack of real feats. I'm going to say he could pull it off due to him having the stealth-suit so lunatic laugh won't effect him.

Still early days for Kaine though.

Kaine wins.

Isn't Phil the one who got beaten by de-powered Hercules?

@(((Prodigy))) said:

Isn't Phil the one who got beaten by de-powered Hercules?

I don't think he was de-powered. Didn't he throw off the metal beams that where on him?

I think its safe to say that Kaine has "The Other" abilities, except the Spider-Sense, except perhaps the enhanced stats.

I think its safe to say that Kaine has "The Other" abilities, except the Spider-Sense, except perhaps the enhanced stats.

Kaine. Phil has lost to Venom (despite having his weaknesses on his side), Robbie Robertson (who had just got spider powers at the time), and a depowered Hercules. Kaine should over come him as well.

@jashro44 said:

@ReVamp said:

I think its safe to say that Kaine has "The Other" abilities, except the Spider-Sense, except perhaps the enhanced stats.

Not really. It wasn't confirmed.

Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be commenting on it.

Kaine. Phil has lost to Venom (despite having his weaknesses on his side), Robbie Robertson (who had just got spider powers at the time), and a depowered Hercules. Kaine should over come him as well.

@jashro44 said:

@ReVamp said:

I think its safe to say that Kaine has "The Other" abilities, except the Spider-Sense, except perhaps the enhanced stats.

Not really. It wasn't confirmed.

Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be commenting on it.

Kaine.

@(((Prodigy))) said:

Isn't Phil the one who got beaten by de-powered Hercules?

I don't think he was de-powered. Didn't he throw off the metal beams that where on him?

@jashro44: ?

@jashro44 said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Kaine. Phil has lost to Venom (despite having his weaknesses on his side), Robbie Robertson (who had just got spider powers at the time), and a depowered Hercules. Kaine should over come him as well.

Venom never really beat phil. He got the jump on him and rammed him with a motor cycle, besides that it seemed like phil was winning to me. Phil does have low end feats but Kaine had a hard time against a member of the assassins guild in issue 3 of scarlet spider...Not saying we should go by that to determine kaines abilities but I don't think robbie robertson is a accurate gauge of phils. Also from what I saw of the hercules fight (which is admittedly only about 2 pages...) I think that may have been wis. He ptrayed the scream differently.

On a side note what issue of scarlet spider are we at right now?

Venom still defeated him. A wins a win :P Plus Phil clearly saw him coming and didn't bother to move out the way. His fault.

As for the Robertson fight, Robbie had just gotten his spider powers and no experience with them and still beat Urich. Based on his fight with Robbie and even Venom, Phil has proven that anyone with spider powers > Hobgobiln.

How was Hercules fight with Hob Goblin wis? It seemed legit to me.

I don't know. Haven't been keeping up with Scarlet Spider like I should.

@Morpheus_ said:

Kaine has the correct component to negate Phil's greatest asset, and is far and away the superior combatant physically. He should win.

This ...

@jashro44 said:

Kaine had a hard time against a member of the assassins guild in issue 3 of scarlet spider...Not saying we should go by that to determine kaines abilities

This is what i've been posting on every thread involving current Kaine. He only just got his new powerset and he's still a bit of a newb with it (a bada$$ newb i'll admit). We really need to wait for some more issues so we can properly guage his abilities. From what i've seen he looks like he has the potential to surpass Spider-man quite quickly due to some of the awesome reflexes and speed he showed in Scarlet Spider 4. All he needs is experience.

@jashro44 said:

On a side note what issue of scarlet spider are we at right now?

We are currently on issue 4. Issue 5 comes out on the 9th of May.

@(((Prodigy))) said:

Isn't Phil the one who got beaten by de-powered Hercules?

Phil wasn't written very well there. His power (the lunatic laugh) was treated as a concussive force that can be blocked and the fight itself was just weird. De-powered Herc still appears to be in very good shape (peak-enhanced maybe), but Phil is superhuman.

@venomoushatred1001: Didn't Robbie smash him numerous times with a vehicle and Phil was just faking being KO'd, though?

@k4tzm4n said:

@venomoushatred1001: Didn't Robbie smash him numerous times with a vehicle and Phil was just faking being KO'd, though?

Yes, he smashed him numeruos times, but I don't think he was faking being KOed.

Can anyone present scans of the whole Robbie vs Phil and aftermath?

@jashro44 said:

Kaine had a hard time against a member of the assassins guild in issue 3 of scarlet spider...Not saying we should go by that to determine kaines abilities

This is what i've been posting on every thread involving current Kaine. He only just got his new powerset and he's still a bit of a newb with it (a bada$$ newb i'll admit). We really need to wait for some more issues so we can properly guage his abilities. From what i've seen he looks like he has the potential to surpass Spider-man quite quickly due to some of the awesome reflexes and speed he showed in Scarlet Spider 4. All he needs is experience.

@jashro44 said:

On a side note what issue of scarlet spider are we at right now?

We are currently on issue 4. Issue 5 comes out on the 9th of May.

@venomoushatred1001

@jashro44 said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Kaine. Phil has lost to Venom (despite having his weaknesses on his side), Robbie Robertson (who had just got spider powers at the time), and a depowered Hercules. Kaine should over come him as well.

Venom never really beat phil. He got the jump on him and rammed him with a motor cycle, besides that it seemed like phil was winning to me. Phil does have low end feats but Kaine had a hard time against a member of the assassins guild in issue 3 of scarlet spider...Not saying we should go by that to determine kaines abilities but I don't think robbie robertson is a accurate gauge of phils. Also from what I saw of the hercules fight (which is admittedly only about 2 pages...) I think that may have been wis. He ptrayed the scream differently.

On a side note what issue of scarlet spider are we at right now?

Venom still defeated him. A wins a win :P Plus Phil clearly saw him coming and didn't bother to move out the way. His fault.

As for the Robertson fight, Robbie had just gotten his spider powers and no experience with them and still beat Urich. Based on his fight with Robbie and even Venom, Phil has proven that anyone with spider powers > Hobgobiln.

How was Hercules fight with Hob Goblin wis? It seemed legit to me.

I don't know. Haven't been keeping up with Scarlet Spider like I should.

OP UPDATE:

It was 3am when I made this and I was incredibly tired. Because of that, I completely forgot that Kaine's suit is immune to the lunatic laugh. In order to make the thread interesting, Kaine's costume will not have immunity to sonics. Apologies for being a forgetful fool

Hey, it's that or just consider this a mismatch and never come back ;)

I wasn't aware that Phil's fight with Herc was a poor showing for him. I'm pretty sure that's the only fight he's had that I actually read.

@jashro44 said:

Thank you! I was wondering how many issues I was missing so far. Good to know its only 1 issue.

No problem. You should try and get hold of number 4 Kaine has some pretty good reflex feats in it. (bullet timing etc..)

@Strider92 said:

@jashro44 said:

Thank you! I was wondering how many issues I was missing so far. Good to know its only 1 issue.

No problem. You should try and get hold of number 4 Kaine has some pretty good reflex feats in it. (bullet timing etc..)

!!!! The fourth issue is awesome. I definitely recommend getting it ASAP.

@(((Prodigy))) said:

I wasn't aware that Phil's fight with Herc was a poor showing for him. I'm pretty sure that's the only fight he's had that I actually read.

Yeah, it wasn't very good for Phil. And the notion that Herc could just escort him around felt really odd, too.

@jashro44 said:

Thank you! I was wondering how many issues I was missing so far. Good to know its only 1 issue.

No problem. You should try and get hold of number 4 Kaine has some pretty good reflex feats in it. (bullet timing etc..)

@jashro44 said:

He saw it at the last second, not much he could have done. He seemed to be beating venom up until that point to me.

I haven't read the robertson fight but it sounds like a low showing... Phil had the upper hand through out most of venom 16. Venom kicked him in the face, tries to punch, phil dodges, then flash has a flame sword against his neck. Phil then offers venom a deal which he pretends to except and human fly spits acid, which then allows venom to charge but phil uses his scream. Venom then webbed his mouth and tackled him but as there falling phil breaks free and venom breaks a bone in the process. As I mentioned the scream appeared differently.

Hercules dodged it. When he used it in spider-man, parker couldn't dodge it. He had to create a suit to counter the scream.

I see your point. I still believe Kaine wins due to his suit.

@jashro44 said:

@Strider92 said:

@jashro44 said:

Thank you! I was wondering how many issues I was missing so far. Good to know its only 1 issue.

No problem. You should try and get hold of number 4 Kaine has some pretty good reflex feats in it. (bullet timing etc..)

Oh I will. Scarlet spider is the best title marvel has right now.

Secoond best. *cough* Venom*cough*.

@jashro44 said:

@Strider92 said:

@jashro44 said:

Thank you! I was wondering how many issues I was missing so far. Good to know its only 1 issue.

No problem. You should try and get hold of number 4 Kaine has some pretty good reflex feats in it. (bullet timing etc..)

Oh I will. Scarlet spider is the best title marvel has right now.

Secoond best. *cough* Venom*cough*.

@jashro44 said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Secoond best. *cough* Venom*cough*.

LOL venoms good to.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@jashro44 said:

He saw it at the last second, not much he could have done. He seemed to be beating venom up until that point to me.

I haven't read the robertson fight but it sounds like a low showing... Phil had the upper hand through out most of venom 16. Venom kicked him in the face, tries to punch, phil dodges, then flash has a flame sword against his neck. Phil then offers venom a deal which he pretends to except and human fly spits acid, which then allows venom to charge but phil uses his scream. Venom then webbed his mouth and tackled him but as there falling phil breaks free and venom breaks a bone in the process. As I mentioned the scream appeared differently.

Hercules dodged it. When he used it in spider-man, parker couldn't dodge it. He had to create a suit to counter the scream.

I see your point. I still believe Kaine wins due to his suit.

I said a few posts above that the OP was updated.

@k4tzm4n said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@jashro44 said:

He saw it at the last second, not much he could have done. He seemed to be beating venom up until that point to me.

I haven't read the robertson fight but it sounds like a low showing... Phil had the upper hand through out most of venom 16. Venom kicked him in the face, tries to punch, phil dodges, then flash has a flame sword against his neck. Phil then offers venom a deal which he pretends to except and human fly spits acid, which then allows venom to charge but phil uses his scream. Venom then webbed his mouth and tackled him but as there falling phil breaks free and venom breaks a bone in the process. As I mentioned the scream appeared differently.

Hercules dodged it. When he used it in spider-man, parker couldn't dodge it. He had to create a suit to counter the scream.

I see your point. I still believe Kaine wins due to his suit.

I said a few posts above that the OP was updated.

My bad. Kaine still wins.

Without the immunity to sonic attacks, this becomes much closer. I'm going to wait for a few more issues to fully judge Kaine's abilities.

Might I add, I really appreciate these types of threads. There needss to be more street level battles in the battles fourum. All I see most of the time is Thor! Superman! Wonder Woman!

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Might I add, I really appreciate these types of threads. There needss to be more street level battles in the battles fourum. All I see most of the time is Thor! Superman! Wonder Woman!

Agreed. Street level is generally more entertaining.

@k4tzm4n said:

Can anyone present scans of the whole Robbie vs Phil and aftermath?

You remember the issue number?

@k4tzm4n said:

Can anyone present scans of the whole Robbie vs Phil and aftermath?

Gallery

There ya go.

@BringnIt said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Can anyone present scans of the whole Robbie vs Phil and aftermath?

You remember the issue number?

Spider-island: Deadly Foes #1.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@BringnIt said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Can anyone present scans of the whole Robbie vs Phil and aftermath?

You remember the issue number?

Spider-island: Deadly Foes #1.

Thanks. Got beat to the punch, though.

As to the battle, it's a tough one. Phil's pretty beastly as HobGobby. Think I might give him the edge.

@Morpheus_ said:

Kaine has the correct component to negate Phil's greatest asset, and is far and away the superior combatant physically. He should win.

@jeanroygrant: Dudebro, the OP was updated and his costume doesn't protect him from sonics anymore.

@k4tzm4n said:

@jeanroygrant: Dudebro, the OP was updated and his costume doesn't protect him from sonics anymore.

Ah, didn't see that.

@jeanroygrant: Yup. New thoughts?

@Morpheus_: <3 Phil.

New thoughts now that I've made it so Kaine isn't immune to the sonics? Think that'll be the game changer or can Kaine still overcome?