@laflux said:
Better is an understatement. Before Way of the Spider, a Mind-Controlled Spider-Woman was handing him his a$$. Post Way of the Spider, Spider-Man beat a mind-controlled Spider-Woman in 2 panels. Even if we say that Flash will null Peter's Spider-Sense, Spider-Man blitzes 3 people with Spider-Powers and a spider-senses in one panel. That one feat is considerably above anything Flash has done combat speed once. Not to mention WOTS is specifically designed for fighting people with spider powers
Also Peter was basically brawling with Flash. In one scan he jumps right in the air and basicially telegraphs a punch to Flash. Flash tagging a Spider-Senseless, irrational Peter Parker sans WOTS the Spider after being hit multiple times isn't really impressive.
Also in Flash's defence he was weakened from fighting Kraven, didn't get along with Venom etc. The Fight is a ropey benchmark for saying how easily Peter will tag Flash and Vice versa because of all the mitigating factors involved TBH.
Peter is faster, feat based, no doubt. However Peter was GUNNING for Flash in that fight, whereas Flash was tired/beaten up/fighting the symbiote/etc. It shows he can, in fact, get to Peter. That's all it really needs to demonstrate. Peter is going hard and Flash isn't, yet he can web him twice, and rush him. Is it the BEST example? Perhaps not, but it proves Flash can in fact get to Peter, especially if you consider his showings against Carnage and Toxin (two guys faster than all three).
@laflux said:
Again if he had his head slashed in Two and reformed it, then fair enough (though I would appriciate scans >:) ). But the Space Station feat isn't as impressive. We know Flash has an impressive resistance to explosives and fire, so he wasn't likely damaged that much. Its more a durability feat than actually being dismembered by a Class 100 powerhouse and still surviving in space.
I don't have a scanner, so I'm looking for the scan. He isn't slashed or stabbed there, but his head from the nose up is blasted off. This would have the same effect as being stabbed or slashed in the head, as the physical result is likely the same. It's issue 36, page 20, but I'll keep looking for it online. Also being ripped in half and surviving in space with a fully-functional symbiote vs surviving in space with a stunned symbiote rate about the same to me.
@laflux said:
@granitesoldier:
EDIT- Ben Reilly first appeared in 1975, quite a few years before Wolverine first had his graveyard fight with Peter. When the Clone Wars was revisited in the 1990's and further expanded on during the Pain of Kaine arc just after OMD/BND, it would be revealed that Kaine was cloned first but then rejected for being a failure. So its likely Kaine had any shared memories in dealing with Logan. Plus the fight was staged.
Sure the fight was staged, but he got a damn file on Logan and still almost broke his hand. He should've pulled the punch better? Who knows. What about his routine neglect of his webs? And again he's proven time and again he's fine with killing, so I question why he doesn't always have his stingers popped in a fight. Wolverine doesn't pop and sheath his claws all the time. This isn't to say kaine is stupid, but he is not the smartest guy in a fight and doesn't use all of his tools to their greatest effectiveness. As opposed to Peter who regularly uses everything at his disposal.
The threat in here is Peter, and if Flash can neutralize Peter first he's going to mop up Kaine.
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