1 - A really hard one since byakuya alone is too fast and if aizen use his shikai then the fight would end in that same moment. the sereitei don't give much of a time to let the enemie show their power.
2 - Sasuke and Naruto with the only problem being Kyakuya ichigo and tousen if they combine their power they could end the fight fast.
3 - If aizen use shikai in them the battle would end.
4 - Sasuke y Naruto without much trouble
5 - Sasuke y Naruto lose if No 8 use his technique or 7 controlle them then the battle is done for.
6 - Ulquiorra e Ichigo they are too fast and lethal to Naruto and Sasuke.
7 - Espada 2 with his respira win this without problem plus the espada 1 can kill them with his reiatsu.
8 - The captains and former captain could give them a hard time to Sasuke alone but Sasuke would end winning.
9 - Butterfly Aizen alone could beat them with his teletransportation and his very hits are minimum mountain buster, his reiatsu can kill them.
10 - Ichigo post dangai and Aizen Evolved would be more than a match for them, ichigo's movements were destroying mountains and transforming the area with casual movement and Aizen's blast were destroying mountains casually.
11 - Naruto and Sasuke with some problem but very little.
12 - Naruto and Sasuke except if they get hit by Tsukishima they would be done for.
13 - Sasuke and Naruto except if Kenpachi cut them before they can react which is totally possible that to happen.
14 - Sasuke and Naruto almost without problem.
15 - Gremmy alone could defeat them by thinking they are death.
16 - Yamamoto Bankai and Kenpachi with almost 0 problem only problem would be Sasuke's susanno but they would brake him at some point.
17 - Sasuke and Naruto with a small amout of trouble.
18 - The captains with not much of a actual problem. Kenpachi could easily hadle sasuke without much of a problem and with all captain with him they should be capable of handle Naruto.
19 - 0 squad kinda of a really hard stomp. they would just kill their
20 - same with less problem, Ichibei can let them in lest than half they powers.
21 - Bleach verse a really, really big time stomp the reasons are the same as before. also ichibei alone can easily take away their powers without problem.
What did ichibei do, in the entire fight, that can be classified 'mountain level'? The only notable feat in the arc has been kenpachi's shikai...
The fact that characters are already mountain level in this universe, many so in fact. And Ichibei's supposed to be high-tier. You can't get a panel of him destroying a mountain, because they're fighting in a mid-air city.
Sigh. Chapter logic strikes again.
I assume you're referring to our previous discussion with Aizen and Yamma. This is different though, they show Juha arriving, and the next chapter (or was it multiple?) Ichigo and CO only in the rocket and have been waiting. So it's not like there was a 12 hour timeskip there. ~.~
Why would his power increase without the rest of it? It's not like Ikkaku's bankai that only increases brute strength. The Soul King/Mimihagi's(who performed a similar feat to Juha's) inherent speed should be added to Juha's already impressive spreed.
Another quoting issue?
Ah, yes. I was planning to say 'fathering a child and all hardly makes him planet level, lol'.
But being the Soul King, capable of holding the universe together, may. And the point of the comment was to show that something's up with the Soul King. Something happened between when he woke up and when Juha got there, the SK has been shown as a sentient being up until that point, capable of giving orders to the RG and things.
Even assuming he's 10x as strong as dangai ichigo... he's not much of a factor here.
You already know where that comment's going. Do we really wanna go over this again, or can we just agree here that you don't like calcs/power-scaling/AoEvsDC and I'm fine with them?
He surpasses massively multi-mountain level, which is already enough.
... Right, because it's not like Grimmjow was throwing around mountain sized things before. Oh and since I know you'll try to say AoE =/= DC, please remember that Ichigo was already leaving enormous gashes in mountains (Sogyoku Hill) very easily, in Shikai, in the SS Arc. Grimmjow >>>>>>>>> SS arc Ichigo.
or that Gin can cut a city in half.
Or that Ulquiorra's first release razed half of Las Noches (which was likely made of Quartz)
And his Second release's Lanza dwarfed it. And I haven't even gotten into how large Las Noches is or isn't. We've been over that before, and we know where it'll go.
Or when Aizen straight up said that Yamma's shikai technique, when focused, would've turned multiple cities to ash, even with the barrier.
Or when Aizen actually vaporized multiple mountains on panel, with a focused explosion that didn't show the full potency.
No, they were not hills. Mountains. Tatski, and Ichigo confirm it. ~.~
Sasuke and Naruto are too powerful....and dangai Ichigo was large hill lvl+ at best haha laughable.
Naruto and Sasuke clear, but Dangai Ichigo at the least was City level. I wouldnt downplay like that, it just makes you look bad.
City level? But Yamma's shikai, when focused, already was said to vaporize multiple cities. And Dangai Ichigo was meant to be many many many tiers ahead of him, through his transcendence?
Seriously sasukes gonna go sharinkan with an arrow dead in his eye because uryuu dnt fucc around and his speed was stupid in the beginning so end series uryuu is beasting, chad blasts are stupid with his demon arms hes a powerhouse orhime brings the regen. So yup dem fools dead. Naruto gonna tryn tell them his dream uryuu dnt give a shit arrow to the face naruto dead. Better yet chad gonna hulk smash then. BE like why that kid dnt stfu?
@saint_of_origin: whos trolling u trying to compare dragonball level characters in similarity to naruto characters naruto characters arent that OP and im a naruto fan guy, but i knew the manga before most of you probably learned of it. Better yet got off of pokemon or even reached middle school. So no im not trolling i just know the battle styles of characters and their strengths and limitations. Naruto cant fight hand to hand hes an special attack spammer no strengths sasukes a specialist but hes not itachi level. The gotei 13 have physical mental and their weapon ability strength. Physically super strong while being mentally strong to cast high level spells plus their latent weapon ability. Naruto doesnt have overbearing physical fighting ability,orihime doesnt but like naruto she can heal spam and shield while uryuu can arrow and chad can tank with the shield arm and attack with the other. I mean come on guy think about this.
@fortee86gransz: You need to read the Manga then pal. Itachi was surpassed by Sasuke eons ago. If you really aren't trolling, then reread the Manga to the end. If you are, then I'm not dignifying you with the annoyance you're trying to incite.
@fortee86gransz: Watch the language or I'll get a mod in here. Sasuke has the Rinnegan now. He's way beyond Itachi. Itachi is my favorite fictional character, and even I know that at his peak, he's an insect to what both Sasuke and Naruto are now. They even make Madara and Hashirama look like peasants.
@fortee86gransz: No great Rinnegan feats? What about Chibaku Tensei-ing all 9 tailed beasts effortlessly? Or Rinne-genjutsu stomping them? Or teleswap ability? Those are damn good feats. And 2nd strike, I appreciate you might get annoyed with others opinions and/or actions but I will NOT tolerate hostility on such an immature level in my threads.
@fortee86gransz: Flagged all of your offensive posts, and will flag future offensive immature ones as well. Also, I'm no longer replying. Have a good day. :)
They were in the Land of Lightning and ran all the way to the Valley of the End in the Land of Fire. Keep in mind this is after they were already exhausted from just fighting a war.
They don't clear. Hogyoku aizen is immortsl. Has kyoka suigetsu gg. One look and trapped forever, even if u know u r in the illusion u can't escape. Constant evolution = stomping them badly. After a fin all getduga from trancendant level ichigo he was seen regening mere seconds later. Can fly teliport. In his butterfly form which was not even his strongest he was clashing swords with an ichigo who could casually wpie mountains away with a sword parry (not even an actual swing and not even intentional). Due to the square inverse law if shock waves were mountain level then the actual collision its self is multi mountain level (casually) and aizen wasn't even that serious he had a big smile on his face. Now consider monster aizen. He can effortlessly spam multi mountain level fraggors and even ultra fraggors. He can teliport and fly. He can constantly evolve after any damage. he has 1 hit k.o. kyoka suigetsu hax. What are u guys smoking? Oh yea kido master. Can I have some of the drugs u guys got?
@thelocust619: I think he did get banned. There are 3 posts that I flagged him for. I don't know if anyone else did. But I know 10 is the maximum karma, right? Either that or he knew he was going to get banned, so he fled.
@thelocust619: bitch dnt call my fuccing name for no damn point grow the fucc up wit that dumbass trolling shit aint nobody wanna debate with yall losers who get mad and call people troll because you dnt have valid arguments dnt fuccin tag me again
@saint_of_origin: It seemed so, but I guess he's still here. These problems tend to take care of themselves just by being completely unable to have a basic conversation, though. But I'll give credit where it's due...if the game was capture the flag, he's winning.
@fortee86gransz: I said I was sorry though. I didn't mean it. Because I slipped. And then couldn't find the thing. We cool, kiddo? Of course we are. We tight, G.
Nardo and Sauce clear except for the last one because not allowed and they need any high tier or high mid tier Naruto char for that. Aizen believed it is his plan why being genjutsued why Sauce and Nardo play ping pong.
They were in the Land of Lightning and ran all the way to the Valley of the End in the Land of Fire. Keep in mind this is after they were already exhausted from just fighting a war.
Naruto is a Japanese manga, so it's not too far fetched to assume that the geography of narutoverse is based on Japan's. Japan was originaly divided into 10 countries, which are usually called provinces in English. Judging from the size of the Japanese isles, the distance between Land of Fire and Land of Lightning should be about 100 km, but probably no more than 300 (much more would also be ridiculous considering team 7's mission to the Land of Water during part 1).
I tried to replay the dialogue between Hagoromo and Kakashi in my head and even with quite short pauses and assuming that they started talking almost immediately after Naruto and Sasuke departed, the dialogue would take about 1 minute. Using the upper distance limit I mentioned above (300 km) this makes Naruto's and Sauce's travel speed about 18000 km/h, or mach 14.
While that's obviously very good, there are two factors that you have to take into consideration.
1)It's travel speed, not combat speed.
2)18000 km/h, while impressive, is only about 0,0017% of light speed. Now I'm not saying that Bleach characters are light speed, I'm just putting things into perspective by comparing this speed to speedsters from western comics who tend to be able to move at or above the speed of light.
They were in the Land of Lightning and ran all the way to the Valley of the End in the Land of Fire. Keep in mind this is after they were already exhausted from just fighting a war.
Naruto is a Japanese manga, so it's not too far fetched to assume that the geography of narutoverse is based on Japan's.
They were in the Land of Lightning and ran all the way to the Valley of the End in the Land of Fire. Keep in mind this is after they were already exhausted from just fighting a war.
Naruto is a Japanese manga, so it's not too far fetched to assume that the geography of narutoverse is based on Japan's.
lol, Rubbish.
Can't tell if sarcastic or not. If you're serious, just think about this. I used the only tool available to measure the size of those countries, did a bit of research concerning what exactly a country meant in Japan during the period that seems to be the inspiration for Naruto (and it checks out perfectly if you think about the role of a feudal lord in each of the countries) and used this as the basis for my maths.
Meanwhile, everyone else is like "Hey, this map without any scale looks like it could be showing countries the size of USA!"... Provide some logical counter argument or get out.
Am I the only one thinking they don't get past dangai ichigo and butterflaizen at 11? Pretty sure butterflaizen was throwing mini-nukes around by this point. Plus Mugetsu seems pretty much unbeatable.
Then again, I got a little bored of naruto towards the end, so not really all that sure how strong naruto and sasuke are by the point you are talking about.
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