Samurai Jack vs Yajirobe

Jack > Snorlax

Yajirobe surrenders....

Yajirobe was stated to have a power level of 970 in Weekly Jump #31. Master Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 180. That puts Yajirobe well above a moon busting level in strength, durability, and speed.

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Laurcus said:

Yajirobe was stated to have a power level of 970 in Weekly Jump #31. Master Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 180. That puts Yajirobe well above a moon busting level in strength, durability, and speed.

Don't think he has ever used energy attacks like most of the DB/DBZ crew do.
Although he does have pretty impressive speed for a big guy.

Check out 8:30 for speed feat.

I don't really think it matters that he doesn't use energy attacks. Power level still equals strength, speed and durability.

@redbird3rdboywonder If you believe Jack would win, would you please state some feats? Yajirobe at the end of the Saiyan saga is roughly as strong as Goku at the start of DBZ. For reference, Goku's power level at the start of DBZ was stated as "over 950", while Yajirobe's power level after training under Popo and Kami was stated as 970.

Yajirobe wins. I'm off to go laugh.

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

Goku wasn't 950, his Kamehameha was 950, as evidence by Raditz only reading that power level when the Kamehameha was actually used.

Raditz also read Piccolo as 1,400, but that was when Piccolo used his Special Beam Cannon. Did Piccolo really have over 500 points on Goku? Hardly, Goku beat him.

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Even so there was nothing to support Yajorobi being at a 950 power level

His power level was stated as 970 in Weekly Jump #31.

If you don't believe me you can check it on the DB wiki.

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

Goku wasn't 950, his Kamehameha was 950, as evidence by Raditz only reading that power level when the Kamehameha was actually used.

Raditz also read Piccolo as 1,400, but that was when Piccolo used his Special Beam Cannon. Did Piccolo really have over 500 points on Goku? Hardly, Goku beat him.

It's unimportant to make a distinction between a person's power level and the power level of one of their moves, as the energy for said move comes from the person using it. As such, it merely represents a larger percentage of their power level.

The bolded is just conjecture on your part, with no facts to back it up. Goku beat Piccolo in the 23rd WMAT 5 years ago. A previous showing isn't proof that Piccolo could not have surpassed him.

One could speculate that Goku held back even with that kamehameha wave, but that would still just be conjecture, and would have no facts to back it up.

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

Goku wasn't 950, his Kamehameha was 950, as evidence by Raditz only reading that power level when the Kamehameha was actually used.

Raditz also read Piccolo as 1,400, but that was when Piccolo used his Special Beam Cannon. Did Piccolo really have over 500 points on Goku? Hardly, Goku beat him.

It's unimportant to make a distinction between a person's power level and the power level of one of their moves, as the energy for said move comes from the person using it. As such, it merely represents a larger percentage of their power level.

The bolded is just conjecture on your part, with no facts to back it up. Goku beat Piccolo in the 23rd WMAT 5 years ago. A previous showing isn't proof that Piccolo could not have surpassed him.

One could speculate that Goku held back even with that kamehameha wave, but that would still just be conjecture, and would have no facts to back it up.

The power level of a person and the power of one of their attacks makes all the difference. A person will punch as hard and run as fast as their power level says they will, but their ki attacks will always be a bit higher.

That's why the characters use ki attacks. If ki attacks weren't any more powerful than punches or kicks, why bother using them? Why did Goku bother to deflect Vegeta's Galick Gun with a Kamehameha? Why didn't he just bat it away as characters have been shown to do?

Is Tien just as strong as Cell? He did hold him back for awhile after all. Well then why didn't Tien just beat Cell himself?

Because he can't. His Tri-Beam is more powerful than himself. It coul hold Cell down, but his fists couldn't.

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Jack wins.

Prove it. Yajirobe is well above a hundred tonner, far faster than the speed of sound, and uber durable.

He beats Jack in everything that matters.

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

Goku wasn't 950, his Kamehameha was 950, as evidence by Raditz only reading that power level when the Kamehameha was actually used.

Raditz also read Piccolo as 1,400, but that was when Piccolo used his Special Beam Cannon. Did Piccolo really have over 500 points on Goku? Hardly, Goku beat him.

It's unimportant to make a distinction between a person's power level and the power level of one of their moves, as the energy for said move comes from the person using it. As such, it merely represents a larger percentage of their power level.

The bolded is just conjecture on your part, with no facts to back it up. Goku beat Piccolo in the 23rd WMAT 5 years ago. A previous showing isn't proof that Piccolo could not have surpassed him.

One could speculate that Goku held back even with that kamehameha wave, but that would still just be conjecture, and would have no facts to back it up.

The power level of a person and the power of one of their attacks makes all the difference. A person will punch as hard and run as fast as their power level says they will, but their ki attacks will always be a bit higher.

That's why the characters use ki attacks. If ki attacks weren't any more powerful than punches or kicks, why bother using them? Why did Goku bother to deflect Vegeta's Galick Gun with a Kamehameha? Why didn't he just bat it away as characters have been shown to do?

Is Tien just as strong as Cell? He did hold him back for awhile after all. Well then why didn't Tien just beat Cell himself?

Because he can't. His Tri-Beam is more powerful than himself. It coul hold Cell down, but his fists couldn't.

Goku would not have been capable of batting Vegeta's Galick Gun away, regardless of which one of us is right. Goku had a lower power level than Vegeta, 8000 vs 18000. Goku was only able to block it due to the Kaio Ken. Why Goku didn't use the Kaio Ken and try to deflect it with a punch, idk, anything I say on the matter would just be speculation. For that matter, that example isn't proof that what you're saying is true either. For argument's sake, I will speculate. Same for the Tien vs Cell thing.

The following is speculation. If someone quotes me in an attempt to argue the validity of the following I will chuck my computer at them from across the world. I would guess that it still hurts to grab raw energy with your bare hands. As such, if Goku was going to attempt a strength vs energy struggle, as opposed to just a beam struggle, the damage that he would be forcing himself to take would put him at an automatic disadvantage. Using an energy beam also gives another advantage. It allows you to control the mass of your attack. Punching doesn't make your fist grow larger. It's probably easier to hold something back when you're the same size. An energy beam also gives you the advantage of being able to add more energy to it after the fact, where as with a punch all of the energy is released immediately. This way, Goku could gauge the power of the beam, before deciding to go all in with a more powerful Kaio Ken, which he was told could kill him.

For Tien, I would say it's purely a matter of mass and area of effect. If Tien tried to punch Cell, Cell would have simply dodged it. If Tien was able to consistently hit Cell with punches that contained so much energy using them was killing himself, it's not inconceivable that Cell would have been knocked back by them. The issue is that energy is simply a more efficient method of delivery. Your reasoning that this would allow Tien to beat Cell is both silly and fallacious for a variety of reasons, as Cell would still have the advantage in every other way, such as regeneration, durability, speed, stamina, and strength if he chose to simply expend more energy than Tien.

I would like to point out, that I would be perfectly okay with you being right, as it would only strengthen my point about Yajirobe, as it would prove that late Saiyan saga Yajirobe is over twice as strong as Goku pre King Kai training. Either way, it makes little difference because neither of us have any hard evidence to support our differing points of view.

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Laurcus said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@Laurcus: Jack has taken out a room ful of bounty hunters in the blink of an eye, survived reentry, dodged machine gun fire, is trained in every form of combat and some other stuff. Also where was goku at the start of Z or Yajorobi's power level ever adressed because it wasnt adresssed in the manga or anime

Goku's power level was stated as "over 950" by Raditz via his scouter. Yajirobe's power level was officially stated as 970 back in 1991 in Weekly Jump #31.

Goku (and Piccolo for that matter) were only in the 400 hundreds at the beginning of DBZ.

Both the manga and anime have it like this. If Yajirobe had a power level of 950 he would of killed King Piccolo with ease rather than getting scared and running away.

Goku was at over 950 when he used his kamehameha wave. Yajirobe's power level during Dragon Ball was unknown. His power level was stated as 970 after he trained under Kami and Popo during the year before the Saiyans arrived. I'm well aware that King Piccolo's power level was only 260, and that someone with a power level of 970 would have greased him.

@redbird3rdboywonder The exact opposite of what you said is true. Suppressed Goku was only around 400. 950 Was when he was going all out with a kamehameha wave.

Goku wasn't 950, his Kamehameha was 950, as evidence by Raditz only reading that power level when the Kamehameha was actually used.

Raditz also read Piccolo as 1,400, but that was when Piccolo used his Special Beam Cannon. Did Piccolo really have over 500 points on Goku? Hardly, Goku beat him.

It's unimportant to make a distinction between a person's power level and the power level of one of their moves, as the energy for said move comes from the person using it. As such, it merely represents a larger percentage of their power level.

The bolded is just conjecture on your part, with no facts to back it up. Goku beat Piccolo in the 23rd WMAT 5 years ago. A previous showing isn't proof that Piccolo could not have surpassed him.

One could speculate that Goku held back even with that kamehameha wave, but that would still just be conjecture, and would have no facts to back it up.

The power level of a person and the power of one of their attacks makes all the difference. A person will punch as hard and run as fast as their power level says they will, but their ki attacks will always be a bit higher.

That's why the characters use ki attacks. If ki attacks weren't any more powerful than punches or kicks, why bother using them? Why did Goku bother to deflect Vegeta's Galick Gun with a Kamehameha? Why didn't he just bat it away as characters have been shown to do?

Is Tien just as strong as Cell? He did hold him back for awhile after all. Well then why didn't Tien just beat Cell himself?

Because he can't. His Tri-Beam is more powerful than himself. It coul hold Cell down, but his fists couldn't.

Goku would not have been capable of batting Vegeta's Galick Gun away, regardless of which one of us is right. Goku had a lower power level than Vegeta, 8000 vs 18000. Goku was only able to block it due to the Kaio Ken. Why Goku didn't use the Kaio Ken and try to deflect it with a punch, idk, anything I say on the matter would just be speculation. For that matter, that example isn't proof that what you're saying is true either. For argument's sake, I will speculate. Same for the Tien vs Cell thing.

The following is speculation. If someone quotes me in an attempt to argue the validity of the following I will chuck my computer at them from across the world. I would guess that it still hurts to grab raw energy with your bare hands. As such, if Goku was going to attempt a strength vs energy struggle, as opposed to just a beam struggle, the damage that he would be forcing himself to take would put him at an automatic disadvantage. Using an energy beam also gives another advantage. It allows you to control the mass of your attack. Punching doesn't make your fist grow larger. It's probably easier to hold something back when you're the same size. An energy beam also gives you the advantage of being able to add more energy to it after the fact, where as with a punch all of the energy is released immediately. This way, Goku could gauge the power of the beam, before deciding to go all in with a more powerful Kaio Ken, which he was told could kill him.

For Tien, I would say it's purely a matter of mass and area of effect. If Tien tried to punch Cell, Cell would have simply dodged it. If Tien was able to consistently hit Cell with punches that contained so much energy using them was killing himself, it's not inconceivable that Cell would have been knocked back by them. The issue is that energy is simply a more efficient method of delivery. Your reasoning that this would allow Tien to beat Cell is both silly and fallacious for a variety of reasons, as Cell would still have the advantage in every other way, such as regeneration, durability, speed, stamina, and strength if he chose to simply expend more energy than Tien.

I would like to point out, that I would be perfectly okay with you being right, as it would only strengthen my point about Yajirobe, as it would prove that late Saiyan saga Yajirobe is over twice as strong as Goku pre King Kai training. Either way, it makes little difference because neither of us have any hard evidence to support our differing points of view.

I still disagree, but you put up a fine argument so I won't bother retorting. We both think Yajirobe wins so there's no point in continuing anyway.

I would expect from a person with a PL 950 to stomp Jack.

Yajirobe has surpassed Kami, which means he should be far superior to characters such as master Roshi, Tao Pai Pai, kid Goku and even King Piccolo.