Saitama & Lord Boros vs Skaar & New 52 Superman

I'm pretty sure One Punch Man is just a parody of all the characters in anime/comics that are seemingly unbeatable and overpowered is he not? So putting him in these kinds of battles is kinda funny, at least to me.

Also in reference to the fight with Boros, He literally punched a planet busting energy beam into nothingness. Furthermore, Saitama was unfazed by the attacks of a being that sent him to the moon in (what appears to be) seconds, off of one punch. Are there any scans of New 52 Supes shrugging off something like that yet (or dishing out something like that)? And don't let this fight be on a Saturday. That's special sale day. No one gets between Saitama and dem sales.

You don't have an argument, you have speculation. An argument =/= speculation. It's impossible to compare two feats when one is clear and the other is unquantifiable. You have nothing on which to base your opinion that Saitama's feat is more impressive. You have some vague notion about "inelastic collisions" which you already conceded is completely useless without variables. Your problem is that you seem to think that the mere fact that a feat is an inelastic collision makes it less powerful or less impressive. Obviously this is not true.

@uberhikari: I think you're misunderstanding something or you haven't read carefully what I wrote

To be fair, Superman's punch was a inelastic collision, ergo a direct transfer of momentum. But on OPman's side he created a shock-wave while interacting with another opposite force and was still able to create a massive wave of air pressure from just one punch, enough to clear a line of half the earth's clouds. IMHO, OPman's feat is more impressive and more powerful than Superman's.

... inelastic collision is just the transfer of momentum, there's nothing unique about it. It's when one object meets another, that's it. I stated this just to show the difference in force acquired in order to achieve the feat. I'm not saying Superman's feat is less impressive or anything. I'll even take that back then, but the cause and effect of OPman's way of power is needed of way more energy/force then just a simple direct hit or "inelastic collision". So instead of saying it's more impressive, I'll say it's more powerful. Get it? or no? Sorry if I'm confusing right now, I'm rushing.

How can Saitama's feat be more powerful? You can't possibly know that because you don't have the variables for the feat in question. Sometimes inelastic collisions are more powerful than non-inelastic collisions and vice versa. The only way to tell which is more powerful is to do the calculations for both. In this instance you can't do that. So, again, how could you tell?

@uberhikari:

Actually Boros' attack should have been more powerful. Saitama had to overcome Earth's gravity to reach the moon. Superman was already in space. But yeah as a Wildstorm fan in general I just chalk it up to Helspont being really strong either way.

I can't be sure because I'm no physicist, but I think the energy required is actually quite negligible, as I suspected since gravity is the weakest of the 4 fundamental forces. From here:

As one final note, I have been giving you escape velocities from the surface of the object, keeping with the example of throwing a baseball. However, the radius term in the equation is really just the distance between the baseball and the center of the object from which you want it to escape. If you stand on the surface of the object, then you use the radius of the object. If you are 2 miles above the surface, you use the radius of the object plus 2 miles. Thus, throwing a baseball fast enough to achieve escape velocity on the surface of the Earth requires you to throw it 11.2 km/s (that's 25,053.7 mph), but from the top of the Earth's atmosphere (~480 km or 300 mi high) you would only have to throw it 10.8 km/s (24,158.9 mph).

Of course this is for throwing a baseball rather than kicking or smacking it, and you can't really tell how high up Helspont & Superman are, but it's not entirely out of the question that they're at the top of the Earth's atmosphere given the fact that Earth is still clearly visible in the background. In any event, the distance from the Earth to the moon is ~385,000 km (and we're talking about the difference of a few hundred kilometers, which is insignificant relative to the total distance); gravity isn't so strong that it makes a huge difference anyway. The biggest thing I would think is air resistance, which is present in the Earth's atmosphere but decreases considerably at the top of Earth's atmosphere. However, since both Saitama and Superman were sent flying at FTL speed (it essentially took 1 panel for them to go the distance), I don't think it matters so much. If you have enough power to smack an object at FTL speed starting on Earth rather than the edge of outer space isn't gonna make much of a difference because Earth's gravity + air resistance wouldn't be strong enough to decelerate the object to any significant extent.

@uberhikari: Just wait until the manga catches up to the web comic... then we'll see what Saitama is truly capable of.

I agree; I think Saitama will actually surpass New 52 Superman in striking strength + durability at least. I don't think he'll ever be faster or stronger though. I actually read the conclusion of the Boros & Saitama fight and some of the stuff in the manga is not in the web comics. Saitama was never punched to the moon, for example, and Saitama never punched Boros's canon and split the cloud cover of Earth. Saitama is actually stronger in the manga than in the web comics it seems.

Team 2.

Yeah, the guys at ONE said that they're going all out with the manga. Hopefully that means that Light Speed Flash will actually be light speed, so when Saitama casually blitzes him we can finally say he's FTL.

Saitama isn't really stronger in the manga version, the fight is just more detailed and nothing Murata draws happens without ONE's approval (The kick to the moon for example was Murata's idea, which was discussed and approved by ONE, to emphasize Boros power a bit better since he is supposed to be a conqueror of the universe and you don't feel that from the webcomic fight).

It's the same with the planet busting roar cannon. In the original we see him punching through it and how it destroys the ship but Murata probably thought that punching away an attack that could destroy the planet should have an even bigger effect.

Supes and Helspont are well above the highest mountain at this point and even past the exosphere if Helspont has to create his own atmosphere. Even in the exosphere which is the upper limit of our atmosphere plain old air molecules can escape Earth's gravity and a portion of our atmosphere leaks like this into space each year. If Supes and Helspont are beyond the atmosphere then Helspont would need far less force to knock Superman into the Moon than Boros.

Then beyond that fact, Boros also has drag working against him. By quantifiable feat analysis Boros' hit is more powerful if we don't make any assumptions at all. Furthermore Saitama easily tanked Boros' whereas Supes was clearly hurt and KOed.

There's nothing in the scan that says Helspont has to create his own atmosphere; Helspont only says that he can. Furthermore, I don't know why you're claiming that, "Helspont would need far less force to knock Superman into the Moon than Boros." Why would this be true? I concede that he would need less force, but far less? That's just not true. Why? Because if two people can hit an object so that it travels at FTL speed, then the Earth's atmosphere/gravity makes essentially no difference to the object's speed. Once you're getting into FTL speed you're talking about a difference so insignificant that it wouldn't even be worth contemplating. You can't really be arguing that the Earth's gravity/atmosphere would slow down an object traveling at FTL speed, are you? Escape velocity is only 25,000 mph; you do realize how great the difference is between 25,000 mph and lightspeed, right? It's the difference between mach 32 and mach 877,000.

Moreover, Helspont is much, much stronger than Boros, which is something I didn't realize until dondave pointed out that Helspont's atmosphere wasn't what was hurting Superman, it was Helspont's grip around his head. Superman can lift the equivalent weight of the entire Earth for 5 days straight with no sunlight but he couldn't get free from Helspont's grip. That's quite strong to say the least.

In any event, I don't think this matters because the speed difference between Saitama and Superman makes all this a moot point. Saitama will never touch a single hair on Superman's head.

Helspont remarks about his atmosphere because otherwise it would make no sense why he's speaking in space. That places them at beyond the Exosphere which is a significant distance from the Earth.

Exosphere: http://weatheradvance.com/home/weather/weatheradvance.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Exosphere.jpg

Gravity is considered the weak force because it gets exponentially weaker as distance between two objects increase. Doubling the distance will eliminate 75% of gravity. So yes, I would call it far less force.

Has Supes been smacked into light speed, anyway? I don't know either way so I'm just comparing the two feats where they get knocked to the moon.

i dunno if he can take out Superman with just a punch but he can surely damage him. However Saitama isn't the only one who has easily dodged a laser,even New-52 Superman has done such a feat more than once so their reflexes are more or less equal, but i will personally give the edge to Superman even in this department since he has shown us how fast his mind can work with the medical feat and with the "computer feat" in Action Comics n.14 (where he does in some seconds what a super-computer could do just with years of time).

Probably team 2.

bump

Team 2. Both of them can solo.

Supes or Skaar could solo. This is spite.

@ifoughtgalactus: Saitama is a parody of Anpanman

Saitama solos

This isn't even CLOSE to fair. Lol.

New 52 solos the verse.

New 52.

Superman

Clark solos.

Either one from team one solos stomps. Lock this.

Saitama one shots both

Superman solos.

Supes and Skaar stomp

anyone on team 2 can solo without breaking a sweat.

Superman and Skaar by feats

Saitama by being an unbeatable joke character

Supes could solo.

I would even argue that Skaar could solo.

Team 2,does Skaar have the old power?

Saitama solos

Saitama mid diff

Team 1. N52 Supes isn't as strong a Post-Crisis (a version I would argue Saitama could win) and Skaar even with old power can't carry.

I think Saitama is limitless, although he is still growing stronger each day since it is implied in one of the audio books (that virtual fighter simulator one where Saitama beats himself since he was last recorded). Although Superman is already limitless potentially, I think Saitama's limitless potential and feats are less restricted than Superman and he would win.

@servesjws: Good job, quoting 7 year old posts. Sadly they don't hold up now

Which Saitama? They don't hold up against the one you jerk off to sadly.

Imagine thinking Fodder Man could solo. . .

Someone hasn't been keeping up with OPM. OPM verse new has some new and impressive feats.

Superman = Fodder Man

oh sorry lol

I forgive you!