#1 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Saint of Killer 1 - Zauriel 0

Saint has killed his way through the entire host of heaven before reaching God and assassinating him with a single shot... what makes anyone think Zauriel could stop someone that even God couldn't stop?

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#3 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry, there is no way Zauriel is walking away from this one alive...

M

#4 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Saint of Killer 1 - Zauriel 0 Saint has killed his way through the entire host of heaven before reaching God and assassinating him with a single shot... what makes anyone think Zauriel could stop someone that even God couldn't stop? M"

I'd say Zauriel but I'm a Zauriel fan-boy.

#6 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Methos says:
"sorry, there is no way Zauriel is walking away from this one alive... M"
can anyone...when up against the Saint of Killers"

The Runner.

#7 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

He killed The One Above All, The Creator, The Presence... whatever you want to call him...

so are you putting The Runner above Him?

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#8 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"He killed The One Above All, The Creator, The Presence... whatever you want to call him... so are you putting The Runner above **Him**? M"

He killed HIS universe's God. I don't think he could kill One-Above-All.

#9 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

How do we class one God against another God then?

isn't The Creator, The Presence and The One Above All all equal when it comes down to it?

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#11 Posted by Buckshot (18914 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"He killed The One Above All, The Creator, The Presence... whatever you want to call him...so are you putting The Runner above **Him**?M"

To be fair, killing the "God" of one comic universe is not the same as killing any god-character in comics. Additionally, speed (or several other powers) would easily allow people to survive or kill the Saint.

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#12 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"How do we class one God against another God then? isn't **The Creator, The Presence** and **The One Above All** all equal when it comes down to it? M"

No. Other wise there'd be no need to have multiple Gods. The comic universes might as well share the same God.

#13 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

I said Equal, not the same being...

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#14 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

I got one question. How fast does Zauriel move? And, I can agree that killing the God of Vertigo doesn't mean that he could kill the One-Above-All and the Presence. In Vertigo, maybe their God isn't so much of a god to begin with. If he was, then nothing would kill him.

#15 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"No. Other wise there'd be no need to have multiple Gods. The comic universes might as well share the same God."

You couldn't be more right.

#16 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"I said Equal, not the same being... M"

And I said might as well.

#17 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"If they were equal, then Vertigo's God shouldn't have been killed."

but that states that the ultimate being in all universes can't be killed, where he has been in several universes...

i'm not arguing here i'm just curious what peoples views on the ultimate being are...

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#18 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"I said Equal, not the same being...M"

If they were equal, then Vertigo's God shouldn't have been killed.

#19 Posted by Legendary Bio Vishanti (3333 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Static Shock says:
"If they were equal, then Vertigo's God shouldn't have been killed."
but that states that the ultimate being in all universes can't be killed, where he has been in several universes... i'm not arguing here i'm just curious what peoples views on the ultimate being are... M "

Then that obviously states that the most powerful characters in their universes aren't equal...

#20 Posted by Buckshot (18914 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"How do we class one God against another God then?isn't **The Creator, The Presence** and **The One Above All** all equal when it comes down to it?M"

Not really. There are many gods in comics but being a god means nothing. Lobo has killed gods before. In the WSU Spartan and Majestic have both become gods (and not just Thor-level beings, but "true" Gods more on the level of TOAA). Solar became a god in his universe (and all the others he went to or made). Then there are those like Thor who are also gods. Just like Thor, Loki, Odin, etc are the comic versions of the Norse gods, the Preacher god was the comic version of God from Christianity. Not all gods are created equal.

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#21 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Not really. There are many gods in comics but being a god means nothing. Lobo has killed gods before. In the WSU Spartan and Majestic have both *become* gods (and not just Thor-level beings, but "true" Gods more on the level of TOAA). Solar became a god in his universe (and all the others he went to or made). Then there are those like Thor who are also gods. Just like Thor, Loki, Odin, etc are the comic versions of the Norse gods, the Preacher god was the comic version of God from Christianity. Not all gods are created equal."

thats fair...

thank you for explaining it like that

M

#23 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"Methos says:
"Static Shock says:
"If they were equal, then Vertigo's God shouldn't have been killed."
but that states that the ultimate being in all universes can't be killed, where he has been in several universes... i'm not arguing here i'm just curious what peoples views on the ultimate being are... M "

Then that obviously states that the most powerful characters in their universes aren't equal..."

Exactly.

#24 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"so who creates the gods then...shouldn't they be the ultimate being"

now we're jumping into theology...

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#25 Posted by Buckshot (18914 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek_the_lost says:

"Buckshot says:
"Not all gods are created equal."

so who creates the gods then...shouldn't they be the ultimate being

"

Writers create the gods. Editors pick writers. Companies hire editors. Buyers support companies. Fans are the buyers and so they create the gods, but only in the most abstract sense. Creators do the actual creating, but without our cash no one would publish what they write and their gods wouldn't matter.

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#26 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek the lost says:

"what I meant was in the actual universe, who creates the gods..."

The one and only Supreme being of that universe.

#27 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"aztek the lost says:
"what I meant was in the actual universe, who creates the gods..."

The one and only Supreme being of that universe."

but doesn't Marvel have several of those (Living Tribunal and One-Above-All)

#28 Posted by Buckshot (18914 posts) - - Show Bio

aztek the lost says:

"oh...what I meant was in the actual universe, who creates the gods..."

That's still the writer (and artist).

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#29 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Jack the Ripper says:

"but doesn't Marvel have several of those (Living Tribunal and One-Above-All)"

Living Tribunal is second to One-Above-All. One-Above-All is the one and only supreme being in Marvel. He created everything.

#30 Posted by lordraiden (7007 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Methos says:
"He killed The One Above All, The Creator, The Presence... whatever you want to call him... so are you putting The Runner above **Him**? M"
To be fair, killing the "God" of one comic universe is not the same as killing any god-character in comics. Additionally, speed (or several other powers) would easily allow people to survive or kill the Saint. "

Survive, possibly, but unlikely! kill him! very unlikely!

#31 Posted by Buckshot (18914 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Buckshot says:
"Methos says:
"He killed The One Above All, The Creator, The Presence... whatever you want to call him... so are you putting The Runner above **Him**? M"
To be fair, killing the "God" of one comic universe is not the same as killing any god-character in comics. Additionally, speed (or several other powers) would easily allow people to survive or kill the Saint. "

Survive, possibly, but unlikely! kill him! very unlikely!"

Why is killing him unlikely? If you have speed you can grab his guns and kill him before he uses them. Telepathy would allow you to control his actions or even shut off his mind. Telekinesis is another way to take and use the guns first. There are other powers that would allow you to kill the Saint, but those are the ones I was originally thinking of.

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#32 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Methos says:
"How do we class one God against another God then? isn't **The Creator, The Presence** and **The One Above All** all equal when it comes down to it? M"
Not really. There are many gods in comics but being a god means nothing. Lobo has killed gods before. In the WSU Spartan and Majestic have both *become* gods (and not just Thor-level beings, but "true" Gods more on the level of TOAA). Solar became a god in his universe (and all the others he went to or made). Then there are those like Thor who are also gods. Just like Thor, Loki, Odin, etc are the comic versions of the Norse gods, the Preacher god was the comic version of God from Christianity. Not all gods are created equal."

Excellent post.

lordraiden says:

"Survive, possibly, but unlikely! kill him! very unlikely!"

Supposedly his guns can kill anything or anyone, so anyone who is faster than he is can take his guns away and kill him with them. He's far from unbeatable.