Battle is until Death. Sabretooth has Adamantium Claws on each fingertip but no other Enhancements. Conan has a Broad Sword, Wooden Shield, & Battle Axe. They Start off 20 Feet away.
Sabretooth Vs. Conan
Conan wins. He has fought much worse than Sabertooth.
@lagoon_boy said:
" Oh, and even if Creed was able to die, his Adamantium enhancements should shred every weapon Conan has.Conan is a much better fighter and I'm pretty positive he has unbreakable weapons.@lagoon_boy said:
" Technically, Creed wins in a stomp. He can't die. "But he can be incapacitated. And Conan is the much better fighter.
@ThaMessenger07:I think Creed's aggressiveness, speed and agility should be the winning factor.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Do you have any feats of his weapons being unbreakable? Since we can't really prove anything until then.Give me time I'll find something.@lagoon_boy said:
Problem is. Conan is just as fast, as agile and as ruthless. In everyway, if not more in some. He has taken down Gods before. He is deff Meta-Human, based on his feats. And even if he doesn't have a weapon that is unbreakable he can easily incapacitate Creed quick enough. Conan is easily the better fighter.
@ThaMessenger07:I think Creed's aggressiveness, speed and agility should be the winning factor. "
To Go toe to toe with Creed he actually doesn't need the Weapons I just think he needs him to deal with his caws. I don't Remember him having a weapon that was indestructible. But yeah his speed and Strength are on Par with Sabretooth. W.O Enhancements.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Incapacitation can go for both men. And I'm not disagreeing about Conan being a better fighter, But I don't think Conan can survive a few hits from Creed. "His feats suggest he can easily survive blows from Creed.
Sabretooth is faster, stronger and more agile than Wolverine, and Wolverine is above Conan in every conceivable way. Creed would fold Conan up like a lawn chair.
" Sabretooth is faster, stronger and more agile than Wolverine, and Wolverine is above Conan in every conceivable way. Creed would fold Conan up like a lawn chair. "No
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: And what feats are those exactly? Again, may I remind you Creed is equipped with Adamantium. "Conan has defeated Gods, many mythological creatures from both Germanic and Greek mythology, he is considered on of the best swordsman in comics, he has fought a Man-Ape, called Thak, who had enhanced strength, Conan has lifted some of the things Krato's has in the God of War games despite the fact Conan is considered a mere human, he has taken on armies of men, has fought against demons and other supernatural creatures. Conan is deff a Meta-Human based on his feats. He is stronger than Creed and more skilled. They are probably equal in terms of speed and agility. And even with adamantium, he body can still be disemboweled, which would be considered an incapacitation. This is nothing that Conan can't handle.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: These god's and mythical creatures aren't all that. Conan may have defeated them but they didn't possess a well rounded power set. And what stops Creed exactly from ripping Conan to shreds? Conan doesn't possess durability that shows he can take blows from adamantium. I'm doubting the Agility and Speed too. "His fighting skills are what keep him from being disemboweled. Conan can run circles around him all day. He has fought much better fighters than Creed(Red Sonja). I would give this fight a time estimate of maybe two minutes, max. And the agility and speed Conan has also proven against all those creatures I have mentioned. He has shown superb reaction time. Plus it doesn't need to be much better. Many skilled fighters have schooled Sabertooth in the past, due to him being only a brute and not having much logic in fights, another thing Conan has over him, as Conan has a incredibly tactical mind.
I just re-read the entire Savage Sword of Conan series recently to get some inspiration for some portfolio pieces, so Conan's feats are pretty fresh in my mind. Lots of great stories and amazing art work... and I had forgotten that Conan was trained as samurai (seriously lol), but Conan doesn't stand a shot in hell of beating Sabretooth. Conan would go 50-50 with Captain America, but he isn't in the same league as Creed.
" I just re-read the entire Savage Sword of Conan series recently to get some inspiration for some portfolio pieces, so Conan's feats are pretty fresh in my mind. Lots of great stories and amazing art work... and I had forgotten that Conan was trained as samurai (seriously lol), but Conan doesn't stand a shot in hell of beating Sabretooth. Conan would go 50-50 with Captain America, but he isn't in the same league as Creed. "WTF. Are you telling me that Sabertooth is a higher class fighter than Captain America?@lagoon_boy said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Creed may not be on the same level but he ain't new to this kind of battles. Conan circling Creed is hard to believe since Creed isn't helpless. And yes Creed has been taken out by skilled fighters, not just some nobody. But again the OP seems to be in favor of Conan. With his senses on and his usual enhancements, he should win though. "I think Conan would win even if Creed had his enhancements, but hey we all have our opinions.
Conan is very fast.Try & find the scan of him chasing a Boar because he was hungry & catching it by the hind leg..& no he didnt catch the Boar by surprisse,the beast saw him & legged it :-)
Also at a very young age maybe 14 or 15 he killed a large group of heavyly armed Northern Men who were the elite troop from that region..
Trying to think of a situation where Conan came unstuck due to his sword breaking? Against the Leopald men? No, Ymir the frost Giant? No, The Demon from the Dark? No..
See the thing is Conan has fought Demon/Beasts/Wizards that would eat Sabretooth for breakfast but that would be unfair to Sabretooth because imo he does stand a chance in this scenario of hurting Conan but in the end Conan has the power to put Sabretooth down for the count imo :-)
He had been given added strength and durability beyond what is given from the Adamantium. Also he was given a slightly greater Healing Factor.
@thegentlemanrogue:
No Hes not that much stronger then Conan. Conan is very Easily on par with Creed.
@lagoon_boy:
If Creed Slashes him he is pretty much done. His durability is nothing more then an extremely durable Human. Feats of Strenght is he over powered the Man-Ape, lifted bolder and tossed it further then the Man-Ape, he also overpowered a platoon of soldiers(20 men) and he was able to lift and carry a log that 10 men were carrying and struggling with. As for his speed it was stated in the books time & time again that his greatest Skill and ability was his speed and agility, greater then even his Strength. He was considered to move cat like, often compared to a panther and considered a tiger for his combination of strength and speed. He is somewhere of a midpoint between Sabretooth and Wolverine. He just doesn't ave a Healing Factor.
" @thegentlemanrogue said:How is that breaking news? Sabretooth is superhuman across the board. He is established as being better than Wolverine in every way but fighting skill... and Wolverine is physically superior to Captain America." I just re-read the entire Savage Sword of Conan series recently to get some inspiration for some portfolio pieces, so Conan's feats are pretty fresh in my mind. Lots of great stories and amazing art work... and I had forgotten that Conan was trained as samurai (seriously lol), but Conan doesn't stand a shot in hell of beating Sabretooth. Conan would go 50-50 with Captain America, but he isn't in the same league as Creed. "WTF. Are you telling me that Sabertooth is a higher class fighter than Captain America?@lagoon_boy said:
Creed still has his natural Mutant Powers just none of the Enhancements he was later given by his son and others. He is still somewhere between 800lbs to a 1 ton overhead lifting and yes the indestructible bone structure which would increase his strength to around 2 tons. Not trying to take anything away from creed just brought him down to Conans Level.
@thegentlemanrogue:
Conan and Rogers would be a good fight but he is more on par with Sabretooth and Wolverine. Just minus a Healing Factor.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:I know Creed is superior in physical stats. I thought you were trying to state Creed was a better fighter in which you would have been horribly wrong. And, no offense meant at all, but you should red more of Conan's stuff. He has easily proven to be just as fast, strong(actually stronger), agile as Creed. Plus Conan is a lot smarter and much, much more skilled. Conan has fought Gods, Creed hasn't done anything impressive. Conan for the relatively easy win." @thegentlemanrogue said:How is that breaking news? Sabretooth is superhuman across the board. He is established as being better than Wolverine in every way but fighting skill... and Wolverine is physically superior to Captain America. "" I just re-read the entire Savage Sword of Conan series recently to get some inspiration for some portfolio pieces, so Conan's feats are pretty fresh in my mind. Lots of great stories and amazing art work... and I had forgotten that Conan was trained as samurai (seriously lol), but Conan doesn't stand a shot in hell of beating Sabretooth. Conan would go 50-50 with Captain America, but he isn't in the same league as Creed. "WTF. Are you telling me that Sabertooth is a higher class fighter than Captain America?@lagoon_boy said:
He Was 15 when he Killed the Boar you speak of also
@thegentlemanrogue:
I Think he meant in skill not in actual physical power.
" @thegentlemanrogue said:Nah, I was just talking about physical attributes, not combat prowess." @Fist_of_Mandalore said:I know Creed is superior in physical stats. I thought you were trying to state Creed was a better fighter in which you would have been horribly wrong. And, no offense meant at all, but you should red more of Conan's stuff. He has easily proven to be just as fast, strong(actually stronger), agile as Creed. Plus Conan is a lot smarter and much, much more skilled. Conan has fought Gods, Creed hasn't done anything impressive. Conan for the relatively easy win. "" @thegentlemanrogue said:How is that breaking news? Sabretooth is superhuman across the board. He is established as being better than Wolverine in every way but fighting skill... and Wolverine is physically superior to Captain America. "" I just re-read the entire Savage Sword of Conan series recently to get some inspiration for some portfolio pieces, so Conan's feats are pretty fresh in my mind. Lots of great stories and amazing art work... and I had forgotten that Conan was trained as samurai (seriously lol), but Conan doesn't stand a shot in hell of beating Sabretooth. Conan would go 50-50 with Captain America, but he isn't in the same league as Creed. "WTF. Are you telling me that Sabertooth is a higher class fighter than Captain America?@lagoon_boy said:
Conan fights "gods"? Here is what Creed fights:
Heres how he deals with it:
He doesn't Fight Gods like Kratos or Hercules or the marvel Gods. The Gods he fights are on par with some X-men. Those Scans are awesome.
@thegentlemanmanrogue.Cool scans :-)
Believe it or not there was an issue in Marvel(think mid 80s) where Conan faught Logan in the "what if?" one off comic.
Basicly it was PIS because after Conan gets his hand cut off by Logan he is transported by the watcher to the skrull world (i think) & takes out a Superskrull minus his one hand & then some other guy by throwing his sword into his chest or arm...
" @thegentlemanmanrogue.Cool scans :-) Believe it or not there was an issue in Marvel(think mid 80s) where Conan faught Logan in the "what if?" one off comic. Basicly it was PIS because after Conan gets his hand cut off by Logan he is transported by the watcher to the skrull world (i think) & takes out a Superskrull minus his one hand & then some other guy by throwing his sword into his chest or arm... "Yeah that was actually my first comic, I bought it at a yard sale when I was a kid lol
@thegentlemanrogue No!!!! that is so dam cool :-) do u still have it? love to see some scans of that battle Lol remember the year it was issued? im sure it was around the 80s..I think i read threw that comic in my local newsagent during my school lunch break..
" @thegentlemanrogue No!!!! that is so dam cool :-) do u still have it? love to see some scans of that battle Lol remember the year it was issued? im sure it was around the 80s..I think i read threw that comic in my local newsagent during my school lunch break.. "Yeah I think I still have it somewhere. I got in in the early 90s I think... not sure when it was actually released though.
" @Chaos Prime said:Looking forward to those scans then :-)" @thegentlemanrogue No!!!! that is so dam cool :-) do u still have it? love to see some scans of that battle Lol remember the year it was issued? im sure it was around the 80s..I think i read threw that comic in my local newsagent during my school lunch break.. "Yeah I think I still have it somewhere. I got in in the early 90s I think... not sure when it was actually released though. "
" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat.
Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier." @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
Conan does have a marvel 616 cannon version of himself. He is actually a fairly big Part of Marvel History.
" @thegentlemanrogue said:Except... Red Sonja wouldn't stand a chance of beating Creed either..." @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier. "" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
You are severely underrating Sabretooth. He is physically superior to Wolverine in every way, and Wolverine's combat speed is FAR superior than Conans. Wolverine's combat speed was listed as being almost 8 times faster than a normal human's finger time reaction time. Mean if you were doing one of those reaction speed tests where you need to press a button when a light turns on, that in between you seeing the light and you pressing the button... Wolverine could punch you 8 times. Wolverine has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a 1000lbs Concert Grand Piano on his back and Creed has lifted and thrown ten ton apartment sized air conditioner units around and supported the weight of huge military blast doors.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Conan does have a marvel 616 cannon version of himself. He is actually a fairly big Part of Marvel History. "True, he fought Varnae the first Vampire. Savage Sword of Conan takes place in 616 Marvel, just in the past. I think Solomon Kane is in the same boat.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But that is what you don't get. While Conan is technically a human his feats suggest other wise. He does not have normal reaction speed or agility as he has proven. If were a mere-human, like us, he wouldn't be able to life the tens and tens of tons he does in the comics. And Red Sonja would not lose to Creed. She is hands down one of the best swordsman in comics, even superior to Conan, she would literally have no issue with Creed. Stop stating that Conan is a human, because as you probably know, this site goes by feats. And when you stack Conan's feats up against Creed's feats, Conan wins hands down. You can post all the scans you want, all day. And not a single one them will stack up to Conan, while I can post scans of Creed getting his ass handed to him by skilled fighters which Conan is on the same level as." @thegentlemanrogue said:Except... Red Sonja wouldn't stand a chance of beating Creed either... You are severely underrating Sabretooth. He is physically superior to Wolverine in every way, and Wolverine's combat speed is FAR superior than Conans. Wolverine's combat speed was listed as being almost 8 times faster than a normal human's finger time reaction time. Mean if you were doing one of those reaction speed tests where you need to press a button when a light turns on, that in between you seeing the light and you pressing the button... Wolverine could punch you 8 times. Wolverine has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a 1000lbs Concert Grand Piano on his back and Creed has lifted and thrown ten ton apartment sized air conditioner units around and supported the weight of huge military blast doors. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier. "" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
I wouldn't Say he out classes Sabretooth. I put him in this match because I believed these to to be Nearly on Par. I would Say Savretooth>Conan>Wolverine as far as strength and Speed go. As Far as Fighting Skill I would Say Conan=Wolverine>Sabretooth but not by a lot.
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: I wouldn't Say he out classes Sabretooth. I put him in this match because I believed these to to be Nearly on Par. I would Say Savretooth>Conan>Wolverine as far as strength and Speed go. As Far as Fighting Skill I would Say Conan=Wolverine>Sabretooth but not by a lot. "I know you know better than that. Conan is a better fighter than Wolverine. Also even if Creed is faster, its not a large enough difference to matter. Conan has fought people faster than him before, Red Sonja, he has fought people stronger than him, Takk, the Man-Ape. Why does he win? Simple he is a better fighter. There are no feats to suggest Creed is a good fighter, because he isn't. He gets schooled a decent amount by skilled fighters in the Marvel U. Forget about his strength or speed(which I doubt are much higher if at all than Conan's) Conan is the better fighter, Conan wins.
" @thegentlemanrogue said:Please, Wolverine has issues with Creed and Logan is one of the most skilled fighters in Marvel, stronger and faster than either Conan or Sonja and he has a healing factor and stamina that eclipse them both. If Wolverine can't easily beat Sabretooth, then neither or Conan or Sonja. Going by feats Conan is around class two, which is still easily outclassed by Sabretooth's feats." @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But that is what you don't get. While Conan is technically a human his feats suggest other wise. He does not have normal reaction speed or agility as he has proven. If were a mere-human, like us, he wouldn't be able to life the tens and tens of tons he does in the comics. And Red Sonja would not lose to Creed. She is hands down one of the best swordsman in comics, even superior to Conan, she would literally have no issue with Creed. Stop stating that Conan is a human, because as you probably know, this site goes by feats. And when you stack Conan's feats up against Creed's feats, Conan wins hands down. You can post all the scans you want, all day. And not a single one them will stack up to Conan, while I can post scans of Creed getting his ass handed to him by skilled fighters which Conan is on the same level as. "" @thegentlemanrogue said:Except... Red Sonja wouldn't stand a chance of beating Creed either... You are severely underrating Sabretooth. He is physically superior to Wolverine in every way, and Wolverine's combat speed is FAR superior than Conans. Wolverine's combat speed was listed as being almost 8 times faster than a normal human's finger time reaction time. Mean if you were doing one of those reaction speed tests where you need to press a button when a light turns on, that in between you seeing the light and you pressing the button... Wolverine could punch you 8 times. Wolverine has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a 1000lbs Concert Grand Piano on his back and Creed has lifted and thrown ten ton apartment sized air conditioner units around and supported the weight of huge military blast doors. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier. "" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:What did I just say. Conan has better strength feats than Logan or Creed. So tell me again how your stating they are stronger than him? And Wolverine is a skilled fighter, but as most people admit on this very site, he never uses that skill, as evidence when he has gotten one shotted by DareDevil and Black Panther literally ran circles around Wolverine.. Oh, and Wolverine has studied to be a samurai, so has Conan, and Conan has also received training from multiple other fighting arts. Based on training alone Conan is a better fighter, but then you put in feats, and Conan takes it by a landslide. And once again about your last part. Creed does not have good fighting feats, he and Logan both have gotten schooled from skilled fighters, DareDevil, Black Panther, etc. I'm trying really hard to comprehend why you think Creed is a good fighter when he isn't and how you think Creed is stronger when Conan easily has better feats of strength." @thegentlemanrogue said:Please, Wolverine has issues with Creed and Logan is one of the most skilled fighters in Marvel, stronger and faster than either Conan or Sonja and he has a healing factor and stamina that eclipse them both. If Wolverine can't easily beat Sabretooth, then neither or Conan or Sonja. Going by feats Conan is around class two, which is still easily outclassed by Sabretooth's feats. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But that is what you don't get. While Conan is technically a human his feats suggest other wise. He does not have normal reaction speed or agility as he has proven. If were a mere-human, like us, he wouldn't be able to life the tens and tens of tons he does in the comics. And Red Sonja would not lose to Creed. She is hands down one of the best swordsman in comics, even superior to Conan, she would literally have no issue with Creed. Stop stating that Conan is a human, because as you probably know, this site goes by feats. And when you stack Conan's feats up against Creed's feats, Conan wins hands down. You can post all the scans you want, all day. And not a single one them will stack up to Conan, while I can post scans of Creed getting his ass handed to him by skilled fighters which Conan is on the same level as. "" @thegentlemanrogue said:Except... Red Sonja wouldn't stand a chance of beating Creed either... You are severely underrating Sabretooth. He is physically superior to Wolverine in every way, and Wolverine's combat speed is FAR superior than Conans. Wolverine's combat speed was listed as being almost 8 times faster than a normal human's finger time reaction time. Mean if you were doing one of those reaction speed tests where you need to press a button when a light turns on, that in between you seeing the light and you pressing the button... Wolverine could punch you 8 times. Wolverine has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a 1000lbs Concert Grand Piano on his back and Creed has lifted and thrown ten ton apartment sized air conditioner units around and supported the weight of huge military blast doors. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier. "" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
Conan is not Stronger then Wolverine Wolverine is not Peak Human he is Enhanced. He was at peak when he did not have the Adamantium. Wolverine can easily man handle 800lbs. Conan's Strength & Speed is only slightly Greater. There is no Debating that at All. As For Creed he does have Greater Speed and Strength and is a Pheonomenal Fighter. I have Scans to prove his skills. He only gets bested by the Best fighters or people with greater Physical Prowess. Examples are Wolverine, Iron Fist, and Captain America.
@thegentlemanrogue:
Conan is a Class 3 based on his Feats Of Strength. Not a 2. He has easily wrestled down and over powered powerful Beast when he was still 15. He has lifted a Boulder and Tossed it further then a Man-Ape who is easily a class 3 or 4. I Would Say Conan can lift just under a ton based on Feats.
..." @thegentlemanrogue said:
What did I just say. Conan has better strength feats than Logan or Creed. So tell me again how your stating they are stronger than him? And Wolverine is a skilled fighter, but as most people admit on this very site, he never uses that skill, as evidence when he has gotten one shotted by DareDevil and Black Panther literally ran circles around Wolverine.. Oh, and Wolverine has studied to be a samurai, so has Conan, and Conan has also received training from multiple other fighting arts. Based on training alone Conan is a better fighter, but then you put in feats, and Conan takes it by a landslide. And once again about your last part. Creed does not have good fighting feats, he and Logan both have gotten schooled from skilled fighters, DareDevil, Black Panther, etc. I'm trying really hard to comprehend why you think Creed is a good fighter when he isn't and how you think Creed is stronger when Conan easily has better feats of strength. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @thegentlemanrogue said:Please, Wolverine has issues with Creed and Logan is one of the most skilled fighters in Marvel, stronger and faster than either Conan or Sonja and he has a healing factor and stamina that eclipse them both. If Wolverine can't easily beat Sabretooth, then neither or Conan or Sonja. Going by feats Conan is around class two, which is still easily outclassed by Sabretooth's feats. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But that is what you don't get. While Conan is technically a human his feats suggest other wise. He does not have normal reaction speed or agility as he has proven. If were a mere-human, like us, he wouldn't be able to life the tens and tens of tons he does in the comics. And Red Sonja would not lose to Creed. She is hands down one of the best swordsman in comics, even superior to Conan, she would literally have no issue with Creed. Stop stating that Conan is a human, because as you probably know, this site goes by feats. And when you stack Conan's feats up against Creed's feats, Conan wins hands down. You can post all the scans you want, all day. And not a single one them will stack up to Conan, while I can post scans of Creed getting his ass handed to him by skilled fighters which Conan is on the same level as. "" @thegentlemanrogue said:Except... Red Sonja wouldn't stand a chance of beating Creed either... You are severely underrating Sabretooth. He is physically superior to Wolverine in every way, and Wolverine's combat speed is FAR superior than Conans. Wolverine's combat speed was listed as being almost 8 times faster than a normal human's finger time reaction time. Mean if you were doing one of those reaction speed tests where you need to press a button when a light turns on, that in between you seeing the light and you pressing the button... Wolverine could punch you 8 times. Wolverine has climbed a mountain and swam up rapids with a 1000lbs Concert Grand Piano on his back and Creed has lifted and thrown ten ton apartment sized air conditioner units around and supported the weight of huge military blast doors. "" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:But you just used ABC logic. Just because that guy could beat Conan doesn't mean Creed could. Red Sonja would stomp Creed, IMO, but she hasn't beaten Conan yet. So ABC logic usually doesn't accomplish anything. I just have never seen anything from Creed that suggests he can beat Conan. They are on par with speed and agility. Conan has better strength feats, fighting skill feats, and he is a master tactian. Conan, if he were in the Marvel U, would be a high level street fighter, maybe even above that. While Creed is only Mid-tier. "" @thegentlemanrogue: It looks to me as Creed pretty much got his ass kicked. Not too mention I suspect a little bit of PIS because scans showed the optic blasts ripping away robots, but it only affected Creed like a punch, when he is flesh and bone. "He took a beating but he still beat the guy, and that guy would have owned Conan in a second flat. Creed's muscles have been stated as being like corded steel, he durability is far above peak human even disregarding his healing factor. "
Wolverine and Conan being trained by a samurai is as far as the similarity goes. The samurai who trained Wolverine was an immortal, centuries old, demonic samurai mystic who was skilled enough to kill Musashi Miyamoto and developed a mystical trained regiment that imparts a life time worth of training in days . That alone is a greater than Conan's training and doesn't begin to account for the other countless teachers he's had like Master Po, his CIA / Black Opts training, his "million dollar murder techs of Weapon X," and training from Shiar warrior priests. Wolverine is literally a master of every fighting style on earth, and some from other planets.
Creed isn't as good as Wolverine by any stretch of the imagination in terms of combat skill, but he is still good. He has beaten superhuman SPETZNAZ in a rare comic book showing of a some juijutsu gound game, he has even walked all over Iron Fist on occasions. He isn't as skilled as Conan, but he doesn't need to be, he is pushing class 10 and eclipses Conan in every attribute.
I'm using a 1-100 Class System, where Class 2 = 2 tons. Not the 1-7 hand book guide line." @Fist_of_Mandalore:
Conan is not Stronger then Wolverine Wolverine is not Peak Human he is Enhanced. He was at peak when he did not have the Adamantium. Wolverine can easily man handle 800lbs. Conan's Strength & Speed is only slightly Greater. There is no Debating that at All. As For Creed he does have Greater Speed and Strength and is a Pheonomenal Fighter. I have Scans to prove his skills. He only gets bested by the Best fighters or people with greater Physical Prowess. Examples are Wolverine, Iron Fist, and Captain America.
@thegentlemanrogue: Conan is a Class 3 based on his Feats Of Strength. Not a 2. He has easily wrestled down and over powered powerful Beast when he was still 15. He has lifted a Boulder and Tossed it further then a Man-Ape who is easily a class 3 or 4. I Would Say Conan can lift just under a ton based on Feats. "
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