@Neo_Prime666:
Point 1.
Theirs no quotes by devs or interviews since SNK doesn't do that unimportant characters, but theirs video from video games, and an understanding of their fighting style were it mentions this implicitly.
Ryo powers are gathering chi as long as their is an earth/planet around, performing the Kouken and Haoh-Shou-Kouken normally, and can channel ki into attacks to make them faster(and comicvine shows this as well).
If there is no official source, then all that you are offering is your interpretation. There is no "understanding" of it merely because it falls on you to form your own judgment and it may vary from person to person. No proof, no dice. It becomes irrelevant to this discussion.
Also, taking information from wikis that ANYONE can edit is no basis for proof...as ANYONE CAN EDIT THEM. Not taking wikis into account, sorry.
http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Ryo_Sakazaki
Kyokugen Karate
http://snk.wikia.com/wiki/Kyokugenryu_Karate
It a FREE-FORM MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, IDEALLY, A USER CAN EXCEL AT BOTH OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE MOVEMENTS MAKING THEM AN ALL-POWERFUL BEING OF STRENGTH.
More wiki BS than anyone can edit, no official source...however I do believe it to be accurate, Kyokugenryu is a mixed martial art..just like ansatsuken, it doesn't prove one is better than the other.
This Ryo from the King of Fighter 2000 were throws a Mid-Air Kouken as a Striker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4a0unkcOM
this is a another one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ghko6gzJo8
in this one Ryo does a Kouken on ground in the same game, you'll notice it isn't long range, but short range. If one is not that damn dumb and uses common sense, logic, and their eyeballs maybe, you can put the two together, again similar to AKUMA when you fight him normally he uses one fireball in the air, but as SHIN(True)-AKUMA he would do Two of them. Ryo normally does a short range fireball but as a Striker in the same game he does not only a long range fire it's in the air a move he been doing since the Art of Fighting 2(the 80's)
Again, the problem with you trying to use gameplay is that everything means sh*t when someone else can say "well...Ryu can just stand there and block everything"...which is true. The reason why shin Akuma and Oni Akuma have different moves than regular Akuma is because both of them are more powerful than the base form. I cannot stress enough that your interpretations of "putting two and two together" are merely that, yours. It doesn't translate to actual fact; let me put it another way, mate: Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
What this means if your not incredibly stupid
What this means if MY not incredibly stupid? What does that even mean? Again, trying to insult while typing like a fool doesn't make you look cool.
is that Kyokugenist can change up/mix-up/or yes go from back and forth for different leves of ki that that come out in certain strikes, this is even mention in Ryo's profile and in the Kyokugen Karate link, because it's a FREE-FORM MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, but they do this as a focus which is based on their movesets in the game.
Changing it up doesn't mean holding back, man. You're trying to twist arguments to support your theories. I never said it wasn't a free form martial art; what I said was
Y'know, I don't knock Ryo at all...but I always remember that most of his attacks involve quick, short ranged strikes. His fireballs have evolved to just a small burst from his arm.
Did I mean that he can't do it? No. Did I mean he doesn't do it? Yes. You, as a fan, cannot predict the way Ryo will fight if by consistency he does not use long range attacks but instead focuses on short bursts.
This is backed even more in King of Fighters 99 were Ryo has the moveset and 2000, and Yuri who does the same thing but in the middle of a fight were she does a short-range fireball that can charge into a full range fire ball, and has a air fireball that doesn't need any charging to it, this is done again in King of Fighters XIII.
Again, I did not say he couldn't; I said he WOULDN'T because his style has evolved as is consistent with his canon appearances. Yuri and her abilities are not in question here; neither are Ryo's btw. You seem to not be getting my drift.
Takuma in King of Fighters XIII can fire a Long-Range fireball, and a Short-Fireball in the middle of a fight, but as Mr. Karate ever since King of Fighter '96 & XIII, in a more power version of himself choose to focus on a more close-range fighting style, in which he fires a short range fireball. Now you would have to be very naive to think a more powerful can't do a long range firebal since he's done it in the Art of Fighting.
Irrelevant, we're not talking about Takuma nor about what makes him tick.
How about you come back with actual proof?
The same could be about the Street Fighter crew, Akuma I already mention, another person is Gouken he doesn't do a normal Dragon punch but I would never be dumb enough to believe that he couldn't do it just because he doesn't show it, he taught it to Ryu & Ken but in Street Fighter IV he only does super versions instead, and has Anti-air Hurricane kick, Ryu, Ken, & Akuma can do something simlar but it isn't Anti-Air this is because they focus their styles different from one another so they don't come off as carbon copys, and gameplay wise makes the game fun.
If one is not dumb that would mean in these sitiuation yes these characters do hold back.
And with more to it, Yuri can mimic fighting techniques for Ryu, Ken, Sakura, & Akuma, Robert has Copied from both Ryu & Ken, whats to stop Ryo from doing the same in the fight.
Evidence even points to Buriki One were doesn't even use fireballs, but later in King of Fighters of the same timeline/storyline continue to use them which goes back Gameplay reasons, on how they focus their fighting style, which routinely ignore.
You don't need to be a Rocket Science to tell this, nore Appeals ot Authority unless one is too incompetent to understand.
SITITUATION???? AHAHAHAHA. It doesn't mean the characters hold back, it just means they fight differently even though they are giving it their all...otherwise it would defeat the purpose of the game. The only character that I know of who ACTUALLY holds back (meaning, as there is proof and not just insane fanboy interpretations) would be Oro.
I have never heard of a canon game where Yuri and Robert copy techniques from the Street Fighter universe. Are you referring to the crossover games which you deemed out to be unfit for this thread? If that is the case, they are unacceptable per your own OP, if it's not the case, it's probably your own interpretation of events again; I could be wrong though, I don't know everything. Do you have an official source where it says "Yuri can mimic fighting techniques for Ryu, Ken, Sakura, & Akuma, Robert has Copied from both Ryu & Ken"?
Now, if I remember correctly, Buriki One is not an AoF game nor a canon KoF game. It's an MMA game with different style of game play in which Ryo was included as an added bonus...same as the way Ryu was included in Asura's Wrath. Are you saying we can include feats from Asura's Wrath as well? If that is the case then Ryu would stomp.
Point 2.
Yes, your correct Evil Ryu is a What if character, but Dark Hado did happen, thats how he beat Sagat, this creates a tainted win for Ryu(he did not win on skill), this also why Sagat in future games wants revenge.
Actually that was only in the Street Fighter Comic books. The game states that it was all Ryu. However, it is still irrelevant since per your OP we can use Evil Ryu. Also, you have not yet told me how Ryo would beat Evil Ryu and the shun goku satsu...did you conveniently forget about that?
Point 3.
One Geese is not weak against Range fighter quit making stuff up, two the reason is not ABC Logic, it to show that one guy(Ryo) won based on skill, the other(Ryu) won based on Desperation if one isn't stupid it a COMPARISON of the two on how they fight.
How can you sit there and type that Geese is not weak against ranged fighters? Dude, you are using gameplay as feats. I’ve used Sie Kensou against Geese and just stood in one corner while I fireballed his ass.
Vin Diesel once said in a terrible movie: Winning is winning. If Ryu wins by ‘desperation’ as you said, doesn’t it mean the other person is not as skilled to evade such desperate moves? Again, you are completely trying to interpret what characters feel and think without actual proof. You have no concrete evidence that Ryo is more skilled than Ryu in the same way I have no evidence that Ryu’s skills are less than Ryo’s. What we do have is evidence that Ryu has more powerful attacks than Ryo.
Point 4.
Ryu NEVER BEATS GILL, Alex does, Oro beats Ryu and drops out cause he has the student he wants, this allow Alex to fight Gill, Gill loses, later in 3rd Strike timeline Alex and Ryu do fight and Alex loses.
You are absolutely correct. My apologies.
this mentions Alex beating Gill
I'm not basing anything on Assumption like you are, which would mean Ryu never beats Gill, now please provide some damn proof that he did.
Y’know, I find it a bit amusing that you get on your high horse and say I am basing everything on assumptions when I even provided you with a scan…the only thing you’ve given me is game play videos of Ryo in his own game; but none of the characters in there fight like Ryu. Do you know who DOES fight like Ryo? Dan Hibiki. Ryu beats the sh*t outta Dan Hibiki and his limited move set. Now please, go find some real evidence, not wikis, but actual scans to support your insane theories.
Point 5.
I specifically said
-Feats or gamplay or story, no glitches or bugs
means if your not dumb
LOL dude, when you call someone dumb try spelling correctly, it makes you look ignorant.
GAMEPLAY IS ALLOWED, and whenever Ryo hits with a Kouken(short-range) it always knocks down if not blocked which shows you never have play a King of Fighters game,
Nope, Ryu can block it it he JUST presses the lever in the opposite direction of the attack. Also, how do you know if I have never played? Your schoolyard taunts are not working man, let it go, don’t get mad and stop being a fanboy.
and if Ryo needs training by other please provide EVIDENCE that he does, because if played any SNK games you would know he doesn't, also please explain how i'm interpreting storylines.
LMAO that is just great, you want me to provide evidence of Ryo needing training by others? though he's never won anything against Terry that I recall (Terry would also stomp him btw). You want me to write an SNK storyline? Also, you are interpreting storylines because you PRESUME to know how a character feels or what he needs in order to assess his superiority.
Gameplay does work as feats in this thread, which now show a poor comprehension skill on your part, I said you can use that.
Not when Ryu can stand in a corner and block everything like in the video game. Or Parry...did you forget about Parry? Nothing gets through that.
Point 6.
The Haoh-Sho-Kouken hits 5x times in King of Fighters '97, 98, 99, 2000, bigger is important cause this would mean Ryu won't be able to dodge it all the time, to the fact you don't this move hits multiple times show you dont know what the hell your talking about, and either lying thur you teeth or again making assumptions based on pure ignorance.
Maybe not dodge, but he can parry EVERYTHING like in Street Fighter III. Absolutely everything. Also, I don’t “lie thur my teeth” like you have so eloquently put it. You mad? Why you so mad?
Point 7.
This is not about Feats alone, but storyline, and gameplay as well, you keep only use storyline only and when it's brought up about gameplay you keep Ignoring it, when I have specifically stated Gamplay can be used, I think the reason for this is because gameplay wise Ryu would suck compared to Ryo and you don't have a point which is why you keep down-playing gameplay which is useable.
Dude, you cannot sit there and tell me that when there are at least three games in which Ryo and Ryu have fought against each other, and actual gameplay from that can show you how Ryu (if used correctly) can be more dominant. Everything depends on who uses the freakin’ fighters when in the arcade.
Sad part is that you haven't realized they are interchangeable for this fight which again is showing your poor comprehensive skills their not seperate.
Really? Seperate? REALLY? Psht, and you call me dumb.
Point 8.
Ryo is fast as told by COMICVINE itself and SNK Wikia profile he can Channl ki for more higher ratio of attacks why ingnore this, or disregard it, Chun-Li is not in the fight Ryu is, even if you use her this doesn't proves she is as skilled as Ryo unless show how Ryu beat her, even then show how she has the same Durabilty and Auto-guard defense/attacks, long range fireballs, etc...
Ryo’s normal attacks are slow (except for the zan…something), his specials are hella fast though. The rest is irrelevant; I was making a point about a fast character and a slow character…but I guess you missed that through your fanboy rage.
In Art of Fighting, but King of Fighters no remember Feats, Gameplay, Storyline are Interchangeable, quit limiting thing, and if KoF he has Unlimited Desperation if he has low life, so he could shoot many Haohshokouken as much as possible. And if Ryu is ever to hit him Ryo can always dodge/Evade Ryu can't do that can only counter unless he's Dark Hado form and still doesn't have the level speed as Ryo since uses mostly single strikes.
Yup, he can parry until the times runs out LMAO…man, you are really seething. Or he can do the focused punch…or the cancel or another bunch of ridiculous things that cannot be measured because gameplay depends on who plays. I assure you that a skilled player can stand in one corner (with Ryu) and just fish the hell out of someone; fireballs and shoryukens. Equally, a skilled Ryo player can combo the hell outta someone with his special kick (I forget the name of it) and the rapid punch thingie; If you don’t see the flaw of gameplay as a feat…then I can’t help ya man.
And his not a Rip-Off of Ryu, since he's made the same people who made Ryo, named Piston" Takashi Nishiyama and "Finish" Hiroshi Matsumoto who after working on Street Fighter work later at SNK.
If someone rips off his own work, it is still a rip off. Are you seriously telling me Ryo and Robert are not knock offs of Ryu and Ken? They are SO ripoffs that Capcom had to create Dan Hibiki to laugh at their ridiculous attempt to cash on the early Street Fighter craze. I get that you like SNK, I do too (honestly, I do)…but you’re really getting worked up about everything and not really making a lot of sense.
And it's you that doesn't know how to debate, your sitting uphere lying thur your teeth and making your points on ignorance and assumption, claiming Ryo's Fireball only hits once, I should have your A** Flagged for trolling, nore are you going by the rules I put in place, Gameplay is allow, you saying it isn't, FOLLOW THE RULES, and quit Disregarding evidence or Ignoring it when doesn' suits you.
Yeah yeah, I’m the one who doesn’t know how to debate and I’m just an evil evil man making fun of poor Ryo and your thread; ‘lying thur my teeth’ and making my points on ignorance and assumption…you still haven’t provided any actual proof for your arguments though; canon interviews or scans; Wikis are out for a reason. If you want to have my ass (which is kinda creepy) flagged, go ahead, I welcome you to do so. You’re still arguing on your own thread though…u mad? Yeah…u mad.
Ryu STOMPS.
Edit: In all fairness though...and after the whole macho "I canz debate betta" bullsh*t is done, you should really not get so worked up about it, it'll make stuff more fun.
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