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#1 Edited by MFrenzy11 (464 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

  • No morals
  • Bloodlust on
  • No BFR
  • THe Setting is Mount Olympus
Mount Olympus
Rune Kingh Thor
Chaos War Hercules
#2 Posted by P0rtal (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules is supposed to be physically stronger than Thor by a small degree. Rune King Thor and this version of Herc are both on Skyfather level except that Chaos War Hercules is stated to be the most powerful skyfather ever to exist.

Hercules wins.

#3 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

RKT is above Skyfather.

He wins.

#4 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

RKT is above Skyfather.

He wins.

And Herc isn't just a Skyfather here. He was above Skyfather level before upgrade from Gaea. He is multiversal level, while I don't see RKT even as a universal level threat.
#5 Posted by Bo88gdan (4374 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos War Hercules wins

#6 Posted by Asagod (285 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan said:

Chaos War Hercules wins

#7 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

RKT is above Skyfather.

He wins.

And Herc isn't just a Skyfather here. He was above Skyfather level before upgrade from Gaea. He is multiversal level, while I don't see RKT even as a universal level threat.

Yup, but you'll never see me telling someone that 'Thor dies'.

At least I tried. :P

#8 Posted by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@P0rtal: when has Hercules ever demonstrated to be slightly physically above Thor?

Chaos War Herc wins by the way

#9 Posted by logy5000 (5526 posts) - - Show Bio

@P0rtal said:

Hercules is supposed to be physically stronger than Thor by a small degree. Rune King Thor and this version of Herc are both on Skyfather level except that Chaos War Hercules is stated to be the most powerful skyfather ever to exist.

Hercules wins.

Both are far above Skyfather level. RKT is around multi-galaxy level. CWH is close to multiversal level.

#10 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

RKT is above Skyfather.

He wins.

And Herc isn't just a Skyfather here. He was above Skyfather level before upgrade from Gaea. He is multiversal level, while I don't see RKT even as a universal level threat.

Yup, but you'll never see me telling someone that 'Thor dies'.

At least I tried. :P

:P
#11 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Hercules.

#12 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

Both are far above Skyfather level. RKT is around multi-galaxy level. CWH is close to multiversal level.

I'd disagree with this. I'd say he was roughly as powerful or just slightly more so than Odin. The difference being that Thor possessed far more wisdom that Odin did by the end.

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#13 Posted by XiiX (4823 posts) - - Show Bio

Mega-Hercules.

#14 Posted by Vrakmul (23395 posts) - - Show Bio

Elder God Hercules is multiversal level, that means he steps on a multi-galaxy buster like RKT like a bug.

#15 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

This is not even close

#16 Posted by Glitch_in_the_System (85 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, if you tried to pit RKT against the chaos king, you couldn't expect him to do much more than die hilariously.   Hercules was putting up a good fight, he was losing yes, but the Chaos King had to struggle for all Mikaboshi was worth to pull a lead.

#17 Posted by BigCimmerian (7572 posts) - - Show Bio

Rune King Thor gets stepped on.

#18 Posted by BigCimmerian (7572 posts) - - Show Bio

Rune King Thor gets stepped on.

#19 Posted by logy5000 (5526 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

@logy5000 said:

Both are far above Skyfather level. RKT is around multi-galaxy level. CWH is close to multiversal level.

I'd disagree with this. I'd say he was roughly as powerful or just slightly more so than Odin. The difference being that Thor possessed far more wisdom that Odin did by the end.

RKT is Thor + Odin Force + Rune Magic + nigh omniscience. He's well above Odin.

#20 Posted by TheAcidSkull (15956 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

This is not even close

#21 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

RKT is Thor + Odin Force + Rune Magic + nigh omniscience. He's well above Odin.

Well Odin himself has Odin Force and Rune Magic, thats the only reason why Thor has to die twice to gain rune magic as opposed to once (because Odin already did it once).

The Nigh Omniscience is generally mis-interpreted. Odin himself has shown he was capable of seeing potential future, like Thor turing into King Thor during Reigning before the even even happened.

We know RKT is above Odin, not because his feats are really better but because the bio says so. How much above we dont know, and if you start including feats RKT is outgunned.

#22 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

RKT is Thor + Odin Force + Rune Magic + nigh omniscience. He's well above Odin.

So it's been stated, yet not proven. Obviously, he was short-lived, but the most obvious difference was his wisdom/intelligence.

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#23 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@P0rtal said:

Hercules is supposed to be physically stronger than Thor by a small degree. Rune King Thor and this version of Herc are both on Skyfather level except that Chaos War Hercules is stated to be the most powerful skyfather ever to exist.

Hercules wins.

Both are far above Skyfather level. RKT is around multi-galaxy level. CWH is close to multiversal level.

I wouldn't say they are far above skyfather level, but they are above them.

CW Hercules wins this.

#24 Posted by SlimJ87D (8932 posts) - - Show Bio

Was Chaos King Hercules outperforming Galactus against the Chaos King? 

#25 Posted by Marksman (1364 posts) - - Show Bio

CWH takes this.

#26 Posted by spawn_123 (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos King Hercules

#27 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

Was Chaos King Hercules outperforming Galactus against the Chaos King?

He was, to a point he never recognized Galactus as a threat.

Chaos War 05

While there is no denying Hercules was actually losing, and he was, he did hold his own against Chaos King for quite a while.

In comparision.

Chaos War 03 : Before having absorbed a lot of universe, in a weakened power level, a chaos King powered Zeus stomped Galactus

#28 Posted by MFrenzy11 (464 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@Killemall said:

This is not even close

thats ur opinion and its one that i do not necessarily agree with logy5000 knows what he's talking about @logy5000 said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@logy5000 said:

Both are far above Skyfather level. RKT is around multi-galaxy level. CWH is close to multiversal level.

I'd disagree with this. I'd say he was roughly as powerful or just slightly more so than Odin. The difference being that Thor possessed far more wisdom that Odin did by the end.

RKT is Thor + Odin Force + Rune Magic + nigh omniscience. He's well above Odin.

and rkt gets stepped on' ..hahahahahahahha this is the first forum on comic vine ive seen someone make tht comment ...ever. Do you guys even know how powerful Odin is, in Fear Itself he stands right next to a watcher not even phased by what immense power 1 watcher has. Odin and Surtur have been in close fights and guess what Surtur has been compared to dormmamu who took the freaking marvel universe and then it all comes down to RKT who we all know far exceeds Odin's Powers so go ahead say tht RKT gets stepped on but guess what... Your not convincing me.

I give respect to everyone's comment on this forum just something i felt like i needed to get off my chest.

And do not get me any wrong Chaos War Hercules is an immense force to be reckoned with and its a battle that i feel could go either way but in no case do i think it could be a stomp.

#29 Edited by thestarguy (348 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree. Chaos War Hercules is stronger and more powerful, but Rune King Thor had one very important ability which is being underestimated...omniscience. That ability allows a lesser foe to take down a greater foe by diviinng the proper methods and weak points. CWH will still win, but it is not a stomp. Thor also has far more experience using his energy-based powers while it definitely took CW Herc a while to get used to his enhanced abilities. He will still win, but not as easily as some seem to think.

#30 Posted by MFrenzy11 (464 posts) - - Show Bio

@thestarguy said:

I agree. Chaos War Hercules is stronger and more powerful, but Rune King Thor had one very important ability which is being underestimated...omniscience. That ability allows a lesser foe to take down a greater foe by diviinng the proper methods and weak points. CWH will still win, but it is not a stomp. Thor also has far more experience using his energy-based powers while it definitely took CW Herc a while to get used to his enhanced abilities. He will still win, but not as easily as some seem to think.

thank you

#31 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@MFrenzy11: I am not trying to argue with you or anything. But think for one instance, when has RKT been shown to be far above Odin?

Also Odin himself has power of Rune and Odin Force in him, thats the whole reason RKT had to go hang himself twice.

Also even if we go with the assumption that RKT is far above Odin, we have confirmation that Chaos War Hercules is far above Galactus. Chaos War Hercules has also repaired entire multiverse, which is 98.8% of the universe that Chaos King Destroyed.

Also dont hang on to the fail of an argument that says RKT has omniscience. He has done nothing to show that, like at all in the whole series.

#32 Posted by Sylvain (1640 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos War Hercules wins

#33 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

People really think this is close? The whole Chaos War 05 where Hercules made himself bigger than earth, and fought (albiet a losing battle) against Chaos King for the entire issue should be proof enough that he is far above RKT pay grade anyways.

Why try and wank RKT more than what he is.

#34 Posted by MFrenzy11 (464 posts) - - Show Bio

Once again friendly forum nt arguing now.. the people on comicvine vine praise rkt so heavily on his power and then when i put him up against who i believe is a worthy opponent thts its not close? thts is like ur right unknown. We do not know if he is indeed fargreater than odin or a little greater than odin. And like u said he hung himself twice to gain power, wouldn't tht give the assumption tht he is twice as powerful as Odin? Also Killemall ill follow cuz as much as im trying to vouch for rkt ur reasoning isnt faulty. So.. Good job ur barely keeping on my toes

#35 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@P0rtal: rkt is abive skyfather ..in fact with his facing gods off old and them being scared off him Thor was arguably elder god

#36 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: yep rune king thor was stated to be the most powerfull mythological god

#37 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11353 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

Also even if we go with the assumption that RKT is far above Odin, we have confirmation that Chaos War Hercules is far above Galactus. Chaos War Hercules has also repaired entire multiverse, which is 98.8% of the universe that Chaos King Destroyed.

Also dont hang on to the fail of an argument that says RKT has omniscience. He has done nothing to show that, like at all in the whole series.

Yep. Too bad no one the Vine believes this anymore.

#38 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@GrandSymbiote94 said:

@Killemall said:

Also even if we go with the assumption that RKT is far above Odin, we have confirmation that Chaos War Hercules is far above Galactus.

Yep. Too bad no one the Vine believes this anymore.

I am a little unsure what dont viners believe anymore, that RKT is far above Odin? (which i myself dont believe), or Chaos War Hercules is far above Galactus? the second part is hard to deny, Mikaboshi amped Zeus damn near one shotted Galactus, while Hercules fought him for a long battle, was losing, and in his weakened condition recreated 98% of the multiverse (or universe, if you go by more recent bios), should put him comfortably above Galactus i would think.

@sommyt said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: yep rune king thor was stated to be the most powerfull mythological god

Exactly where was this stated? I dont recall it being stated anywhere in Thor Dissemble, nor do i recall this being stated in his bio. What am i missing? Really curious.

#39 Posted by sommyt (348 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: i will try and find it and i will post but i did read it ...it was not in dissasembled

#40 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@sommyt said:

@Killemall: i will try and find it and i will post but i did read it ...it was not in dissasembled

Do you recall if it was in an issue or a bio? If its on bio, i have virtually every bio from Marvel and there arent many bio published after Thor Dissemble, i could check it out farily quickly.

If its on the issue than i cant, while i have most of Thor issues with me, its a very, very big pile to go through, dont really have energy atm :p

#41 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1372 posts) - - Show Bio

@MFrenzy11: big mega mismatch.

RKT is even arguably weaker than Galactus, how would he be a challenge to universal/multiversal being like Chaos War Hercules!!!!???

Hercules literally godstomps.

RKT king of hyps with no contender.

and you get flagged for such spite match.

#42 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder: LOL while i dont normally condone posting such picture, this one made me laugh real hard :)

Its would have been nice to see Alyssa try and fabricate an argument out of nothing though.

#43 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1372 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: oh, you know what arguments she could bring, RKT merged with the universe, and some wacky victory will come from the Omniscience thing. LOL

#44 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16629 posts) - - Show Bio
@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Killemall: oh, you know what arguments she could bring, RKT merged with the universe, and some wacky victory will come from the Omniscience thing. LOL

Both would be truth, but none would give RKT win.
#45 Posted by Killemall (16967 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@Killemall: oh, you know what arguments she could bring, RKT merged with the universe, and some wacky victory will come from the Omniscience thing. LOL

I know LOL

@czarny_samael666 said:

Both would be truth, but none would give RKT win.

Neither of them is true. RKT was never said to be omniscience the only time we ever say anything remotely close to omniscience was when he was hung up on Mimir tree, and he intentionally broke the connection because he had seen enough. Outside that not once has he been claimed to be omniscience nor shown, further back by the fact that after Ragnarok happened during Thor Dissemble, he had to gaze into eternity to hoping to find a star to guide him, obviously a problem someone with omniscience wont have.

He was neither merged with the universe, the scan people love to use clearly says he was "gazing" into the eternity rather than merged with the universe.