at the start he was dropped by Selena kicking his cane out of his hand
if you mean before he got his back broke by Bane he still might lose, he was slow and projected his hits so much, Diggles training with Ollie should have him winning
at the start he was dropped by Selena kicking his cane out of his hand
if you mean before he got his back broke by Bane he still might lose, he was slow and projected his hits so much, Diggles training with Ollie should have him winning
It's Batman pre-pit from TDKR.
Note: I've always taken Batman at the start of TDKR to be the version before entering the pit, hence why it's 'Batman' and not Bruce Wayne.
a few people have said that at that point in time Batman wanted to lose (those people were using that as an argument as to why those feats don't really count) and wasn't trying his hardest
so using that logic, I say team Arrow after a tough fight
Team Arrow definitely wins. Diggle showed more skill during his brief fight with Ravager than Baleman ever did. Ravager had Mirakuru in her system, was trained by Deathstroke, had duel swords, AND ambushed Diggle, yet he still dodged and parried almost all of her blows until she inevitably downed him with one hit. The fact that she was strong enough to do that though should speak to his skill, that he was able to fight her for that long.
Roy is by far the most athletic character here, and his training from Oliver ensures that he's at least in Catwoman's league, despite his lack of feats. He was at least able to survive against the Mirakuru army in the tunnel, and defeated Wildcat's sidekick, so he probably has better feats than her anyway despite his tendency to get taken out by higher up characters.
Team 2. Diggle jobs too often (which is disappointing because I like his character) and even though he should have the skill to hold his own here, he doesn't display it when it counts. Roy isn't going to win an agility battle with Catwoman, and he makes a lot of unnecessary moves while Batman is more efficient. Even in his initial fight with Bane, when Bats realized he was losing, he started resorting to gear, something Roy doesn't have much of save for his bow and arrows.
Team 2. Diggle jobs too often (which is disappointing because I like his character)and even though he should have the skill to hold his own here, he doesn't display it when it counts. Roy isn't going to win an agility battle with Catwoman, and he makes a lot of unnecessary moves while Batman is more efficient. Even in his initial fight with Bane, when Bats realized he was losing, he started resorting to gear, something Roy doesn't have much of save for his bow and arrows.
Team Arrow definitely wins. Diggle showed more skill during his brief fight with Ravager than Baleman ever did. Ravager had Mirakuru in her system, was trained by Deathstroke, had duel swords, AND ambushed Diggle, yet he still dodged and parried almost all of her blows until she inevitably downed him with one hit. The fact that she was strong enough to do that though should speak to his skill, that he was able to fight her for that long.
Roy is by far the most athletic character here, and his training from Oliver ensures that he's at least in Catwoman's league, despite his lack of feats. He was at least able to survive against the Mirakuru army in the tunnel, and defeated Wildcat's sidekick, so he probably has better feats than her anyway despite his tendency to get taken out by higher up characters.
I'm pretty sure Laurel and Captain/Officer/Detective Lance did just as much as him in the tunnel.
And I haven't watch the show for a while, but isn't Roy too scared to use his full strength against other people? Like he's just a slightly above average human against other people, but when it comes to busting/ripping open doors he's the man. Roy might be able to take Catwoman, but he's definitely not taking down Batman
Team Arrow definitely wins. Diggle showed more skill during his brief fight with Ravager than Baleman ever did. Ravager had Mirakuru in her system, was trained by Deathstroke, had duel swords, AND ambushed Diggle, yet he still dodged and parried almost all of her blows until she inevitably downed him with one hit. The fact that she was strong enough to do that though should speak to his skill, that he was able to fight her for that long.
Roy is by far the most athletic character here, and his training from Oliver ensures that he's at least in Catwoman's league, despite his lack of feats. He was at least able to survive against the Mirakuru army in the tunnel, and defeated Wildcat's sidekick, so he probably has better feats than her anyway despite his tendency to get taken out by higher up characters.
I'm pretty sure Laurel and Captain/Officer/Detective Lance did just as much as him in the tunnel.
And I haven't watch the show for a while, but isn't Roy too scared to use his full strength against other people? Like he's just a slightly above average human against other people, but when it comes to busting/ripping open doors he's the man. Roy might be able to take Catwoman, but he's definitely not taking down Batman
What? Laurel and her father weren't involved in the tunnel fight, unless my memory is going haywire.
And Roy doesn't have Mirakuru anymore, he was trained by Oliver so he's just a skilled human.
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