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#1 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Tournament Rules:

§ All parties involved in a debate must state they are ready for voting before votes are taken into consideration. Meaning anyone who votes prior to this point will be discounted.

§ Personal attack are prohibited. At any point, if you insult your fellow debater(s), and they feel personally insulted, I will ask you apologize for the jest. I'm not talking about joking around, or meaningless jabs at one another, I'm talking about over the line insulting and ridicule. If someone is offended, either apologize, or under the even someone really crosses a line, they will be flagged and kicked out of the tournament.

§ Feats must be backed up with scans, or at the very least sourced. For example, if you know something happened and what issue it's from, but don't have the scan, just source the issue. If you can find the scan, great. However, if you are just pulling information off a wiki, and can't find what issue it's actually from, then as far as I'm concerned it is irrelevant. Even sourcing the Story Arc would be fine.

§ Follow the character rules, battle rules, and the scenarios given.

§ As always, respect each other.

Rules:

  • Win by KO, Death, Submission, or Incapacitation of your opponents teams.
  • 7 Days Prep
  • Full Knowledge
  • In character

Prep Rules:

  • Two Designated People prep on your teams: You get 2 people to do all the prep for you.
  • Only get to bring what they can MAKE! They are under their own power for what they can bring. That is, they cannot ask others for help, and it is up to your two characters only to build what they want to bring. Be realistic here, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than 3 days to make something super powerful!
  • Obviously, no bringing help with prep! No calling for backup of any kind during prep.
  • They know where they'll be fighting! Self explanatory...
  • You get three days to prepare for this battle! Use it wisely. Be reasonable here, your not going to be inventing a new thing everyday that's never even been heard of in comic books.

Battlefield:

A desolated city, your teams start half a mile apart from each other.

There is no population here.

Perks:
NOTE: PLEASE SEND YOUR PERKS TO ME IN A PM, DON'T JUST POST THEM!!

  • "I don't like that, change it!" - Don't like the battle conditions, prep time, battlefield, knolwedge, conditions for winning? Send me this perk in your PM with what YOU want for battle conditions (max of 1 week prep), and I'll change the OP. Note: If multiple people choose this, I will post a compromise between all of them!
  • "We take the numbers advantage!" - *I* will find a character that I believe you like, someone you've debated with before, and I will put them in your team with whatever equipment I deem fair. Essentially, you go from having 5 to 6 characters.
  • "Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers!" - One of your characters can shoot lasers from their eyes, they are strong enough to melt through 2 feet of reinforced steel in 3 seconds. Each laser is 1 inch in diameter, and they come out of the character's eyes in a straight line.
  • "Indestructible and twice as deadly!" - All ammo your character has is now made from Carbonium. This is ammo only, not equipment (boomerangs count as ammo, why not?)
  • "Resurrection Phial!" - One of your characters gets a Resurrection Phial from Fable, that is, when that person dies, they come back to life at full strength. Works once!

Esquire's Team

  • Ultimate Reed Richards
Equipment: None
  • Rogue (With Miss Marvel's powers)
Equipment: None
  • Captain Boomerang (Owen Mercer)
Equipment: Twin Electro-Tip Escrima Sticks, 12 Razor Boomerangs w/ Anti-Metal Upgrade
  • Anti-Venom (Eddie Brock)
Equipment: M16 w/ Grenade Launcher, Incendiary Grenade, Sonic Grenade, Combat Knife (Vibranium), Bola
  • Static (Virgil Hawkins)
Equipment: Flying Disc, Collapsible Bo-Staff

YoungJustice

  • Raven (Teen Titans TV Series)
Equipment: Spellbook
  • Hank Pym
Equipment: Giant-Man outfit
  • Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Equipment: Fire Nation Battle Armor
  • Mr. Terrific
Equipment: 5 T-Spheres
  • Aqualad (Young Justice TV Series)
Equipment: Waterpack, Water-Bearers, Stealth-Tech, Black Manta Armor

CadenceV2

  • Ultimate Thor
Equipment: Mjonlir
  • Ultimate Magneto
Equipment: Helmet
  • Daniel Ketch
Equipment: Motorcycle and Chain
  • Ultimate Black Widow
Equipment: Black Iron Man Armor
  • Toxin
Equipment: None

P.S. This is, in fact, a three way match. Just so you are all clear, and so you're not embarassed...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#2 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Perk: "We take the numbers advantage!"

Bonus Character: Ultimate Captain America

Equipment: 4 Timed Explosives, 2 Flash-Bangs, 1 Gas Grenade, 2 Fragmentation Grenades, an MP5 Submachine Gun with 2 Bonus Clips, Captain America Shield, and Standard Armor

Ammunition: SMG Ammo is adamantium.

Perk: "Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers!"

Character: Azula

Perk: "I don't like that, change it!"

Prep: One Week, only One Character prepping.

Knowledge: Full Knowledge

In Character

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#3 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Well look at this.... 3 way Yeah ;)

#4 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

Perk: "We take the numbers advantage!"

Bonus Character: Ultimate Captain America

Equipment: 4 Timed Explosives, 2 Flash-Bangs, 1 Gas Grenade, 2 Fragmentation Grenades, an MP5 Submachine Gun with 2 Bonus Clips, Captain America Shield, and Standard Armor

Ammunition: SMG Ammo is adamantium.

WHOOP WHOOP!

#5 Posted by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap beats tidal waves.

He solos everyone and takes a lady out to a dinner and a movie, son.

#6 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: CRAP!

#7 Posted by nickzambuto (13795 posts) - - Show Bio

Just for the record, it should be ME here, but I dropped out. Keep that in mind...

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#8 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@Floopay: CRAP!

What?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#9 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Floopay: CRAP!

What?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I just really didnt want to be stuck with a soul eater character.....

Is there any way I can refund that perk for "Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers Lasers! (Azula)

Pweas.

#10 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice:

Alright, but I was pretty sure I accidentally gave you the win with that last one, no taking it back now though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#11 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@YoungJustice:

Alright, but I was pretty sure I accidentally gave you the win with that last one, no taking it back now though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I am not in the Soul Eater mood right now.

Thanks anyway.

Preparing feats for my characters.

#12 Edited by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

Azula

Azula vs Katara and Zuko

You see her dominating (and defeating Zuko).

She shows an immense amount of power coming from Azula, also if you will see 3:31, Azula only propels herself a little, and that is enough to stay in the air for 5-6 seconds.

Also, I know she was defeated by Katara, but that was PIS.

Here you see Azula defeating Aang (Who had learned Earth, Water, and of course Air)

Her fire is powerful enough to knock down Aang's rock barrier without trouble.

Here Azula is easily soloing Aang and Katara, and she would have torched their faces off, if she wasn't interrupted by Zuko.

Hank Pym

I only wanted him to show off these.

  1. H takes Absorbing Man into the microverse.
  2. He takes Absorbing Man into the land of the abstract beings (and traumatizes him while doing it).

Mister Terrific

Shows his Martial Arts skills

Showing the uses of the T-Mask.

T-Mask can make him invisible to anything electronic.

A feat for his holograms.

T-spheres can make lasers on command and situation.

#13 Posted by nickzambuto (13795 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Azula

Azula vs Katara and Zuko

You see her dominating (and defeating Zuko).

She shows an immense amount of power coming from Azula, also if you will see 3:31, Azula only propels herself a little, and that is enough to stay in the air for 5-6 seconds.

I guess that's cool, but does she even lift?

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#14 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@YoungJustice said:

Azula

Azula vs Katara and Zuko

You see her dominating (and defeating Zuko).

She shows an immense amount of power coming from Azula, also if you will see 3:31, Azula only propels herself a little, and that is enough to stay in the air for 5-6 seconds.

I guess that's cool, but does she even lift?

Lift?

#15 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: @YoungJustice:

Perks are all chosen and locked in place.

LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#16 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

I guess that's cool, but does she even lift?

Lift?

#17 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Mad props for picking Pym. Hes the most Underrated Genius in Marvel

My guys.

Ultimate Thor is the Son of Odin and Blah, Blah, ****ing Blah.

His feats have been called into question to 616 as Inferior. UNTRUE!. His Feats are better than Current Thor in other areas.

Strength wise 616 is by far more accomplish.

Durability is Same from feats.

Ultimate Thor Mijnor also has Teleportation, Dimension Hopping, Multiverse Hopping, and gretare degree of Electricity Control than 616 Thor.

Combat Speed Ultimate Thor has in Spades in Feats where 616 Thor has way better Travel Speed.

This is a solid Breakdown of 616 vs Ultimate Thor. Any despute will gladly be answered in Challenge a Viner ;)

Ultimate Magneto is my tatical and science Genius.

He has comparable Magnetic Feats to 616 in scope. However lesser overall Powers. Ultimate Mags does have better success Ratio by actually holding the Ultimate Marvel World by the balls 3 TIMES!!!

Hes a Tatical Genius.

Ultimate Black Widow is a Super Enhance Assassin/Spy.

Her feats and skill is well documented (by yours truly) and wears a version of Iron Man Armour equiped with Heavy Machine Guns and with all IM Armour Stats.

Dan Ketch Ghost Rider is in some ways more accomplish than his brother Jhonny Blaze in feats. To meet the guide lines of this battle he is in Ketchs control. Thus KOable by the likes of Hulk, Mr. Hyde, Extreme Damage, ect.

Thanks to Hellfire and Penance Stare he is my Strongest Spear to say.

Toxin is the son of Carnage and I use the Patrick Mulligan version when Toxin meant a damn.

Toxin has been rated from 50 (calm) to 90 (Enraged) Tonner and has beaten Carnage 3 times and defeated half the Wrecking Crew.

Along with the host of Symbiot Powers and Healing he is a perfect Shield and Covert fighter.

Ultimate Captain America is the ****ing Bomb.

Tanked 100 Tonner hits, beaten Superhuman Level Durability down, and enough combat skill to match his 616 counter part. Ultimate Cap is my H2H Specialist and with his Gear Load Out can take anyone.

He is also a Tatical Genius.

#18 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Ultimate Reed Richards

One of, if not the, smartest characters in comics, Reed's prep abilities need no introduction. Ultimate is even smarter than 616, since he can stretch his brain. His elastic body gives him great durability and versatility, and he has a decent knowledge of combat.

  • Rogue (With Miss Marvel's powers)

This version of Rogue has high-level superstrength, speed, and flight, in addition to her normal power: absorbtion. Rogue can do incalculable damage with the merest touch, which will make her devastating here.

  • Captain Boomerang (Owen Mercer)

Not only does he have Bullseye-level accuracy, he's a low-level speedster. This allows him not only to move at greater than mach 1, but to throw projectiles faster than sound. With his arsenal here, along with his lack of morals, he'll be a lethal weapon indeed.

  • Anti-Venom (Eddie Brock)

The greatest Symbiote User, Eddie Brock, for a time wielded this most unconventional of symbiotes. In addition to granting him above Spidey-level speed and agility, along with 40+ ton strength, Anti-Venom has impressive healing abilities which he can apply to his comrades, giving my team a great longevity advantage.

  • Static (Virgil Hawkins)

A master of magnetism and electricity, Virgil is a versatile eloctrokinetic. He's got a wide range of shocking powers (pun intended) and can fly with the aid of his collapsible disc.

#19 Posted by nickzambuto (13795 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@nickzambuto said:

@YoungJustice said:

Azula

Azula vs Katara and Zuko

You see her dominating (and defeating Zuko).

She shows an immense amount of power coming from Azula, also if you will see 3:31, Azula only propels herself a little, and that is enough to stay in the air for 5-6 seconds.

I guess that's cool, but does she even lift?

Lift?

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#20 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: @CadenceV2: @YoungJustice:

Alright, keep this thing going, lemme know when you are all ready for voting.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#21 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: @YoungJustice:

Prep:

1 week, 1 character, full knowledge.

Ultimate Reed Richards will be doing my prepping, surprisingly enough. His biggest focus will be creating devices to generate a "magnetic deadzone" around my characters. As genius as he is, this isn't technology that's just sitting around. I'l be conservative and say it'll probably take him four days to complete.

He'll next make insulated suits for my characters, using his experience with Human Torch to make them impervious to fire, and his experience with all manner of electricity to make them impervious the electric shock. He'll give them good durability as well, we'll say a little above Kevlar, so heavily bullet resistant. He'll also whip up sonic blaster and flamethrower gauntlets for everyone. This shouldn't take too long, as Fire and Sonic weapons aren't rare in the 1610 universe. All of this won't take more than a day, since little research would be involved.

Now that he's spent five days working with elements and electromagnetism, he'll take that experience to make a wand like the one Weather Wizard uses. Since WW's is also technology, Reed should be able to make it easily, especially with his recent research experience.

With his final day of prep, he'll modify some boomerangs for Owen, making explosive, sonic, incendiary, and taser versions. He'll craft some explosive rounds for Eddie's rifle and give everyone comlinks for communication.

That should be a week's worth of things to do, without pressuring Reed too hard.

#22 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Ill go on Record and say Ultimate Reed can definitely do all that.

My Prep is mostly involved Tactics. I will have Mastery of this Battlefield thanks to Magneto and Captain America.

Magneto can see thru metal and feel the whole battle field.

Cap will point out areas of attack and fallback zones.

I really dont need the Prep too much.

My Attack Plans will be heavy as well with the Master of Terrorism (held the world by the balls 3 times) Magneto. Cap who leads and plans nearly every mission for the Ultimates. As well as Black Widow expertise in finding weak points in plans as a Russian Spy and Assassin.

Alright when the Battle starts Cap will want to Ignore the Magnetic Dead Zone. Esquires team will be confined to there for now for protection.

That mean Mags will search for @YoungJustice: Team.

  • Raven (Teen Titans TV Series)
  • Hank Pym
  • Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
  • Mr. Terrific
  • Aqualad (Young Justice TV Series)

I would have Thor Lightning Transport to there location and maybe take out half his team with the Lightning/Tele Attack. I can see Hank and Azula taken down by this.

Thats a Wide devastating attack on your guys from nowhere. Not to mention the Shock Value of it as well. Then Cap, Toxin, BW, Thor, Mags, and Ghost Rider will easy overpower the rest. Easy.

Coming for you next Esquire oh Boy.

#23 Posted by nickzambuto (13795 posts) - - Show Bio

*snores*

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#24 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

I'll go on Record and say Ultimate Reed can definitely do all that.

I agree wholeheartedly Honestly, I think four days is a ridiculously high estimate for the Magnetic Dampeners, but I don't have anything else I really want to do with those days, so whatevs.

My Attack Plans will be heavy as well with the Master of Terrorism (held the world by the balls 3 times) Magneto. Cap who leads and plans nearly every mission for the Ultimates. As well as Black Widow expertise in finding weak points in plans as a Russian Spy and Assassin.

Only one person gets to prep, buddy. Pretty sure that would include strategic prep.

Magneto can see thru metal and feel the whole battle field. Alright when the Battle starts Cap will want to Ignore the Magnetic Dead Zone. Esquires team will be confined to there for now for protection.

Sorry if I was unclear, the Magnetic Dampeners would be integrated into the suits he was making, and essentially be anti-electromagnetic manipulation forcefields, basically like Iota's Blank Bubble, only for magnetic manipulation. That way, my characters could still run around and do things as normal. That's also why I gave him four days, since he has to make five of them, one for each of my characters.

#25 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: I know Mags See thru Metal will be used for finding YJs team and to know where your Bubble guys are at all time. If I feel Blank Spots in the Spectrum I will still know where your guys are at at all times ;).

#26 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Esquire: I know Mags See thru Metal will be used for finding YJs team and to know where your Bubble guys are at all time. If I feel Blank Spots in the Spectrum I will still know where your guys are at at all times ;).

Oh, yeah, he can still detect my team that way, for sure. I was commenting on how you said my team would be confined to the bubble for protection, which made it sound like it was a static, unmoving zone, and not bubbles that moved with my characters.

#27 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Makes sense to me. Ull be back with how I will take you out.

#28 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

I am posting my debate soon. Prep and all.

#29 Edited by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

Prep

I will have (obviously) Terrific doing my prep.

Holograms (Via T-spheres) will be set up wherever they start fighting.

(Example of Holograms)

They will be set up to make doubles of everyone on my Team.

So whoever is coming at me doesnt know who to go after.

1 T-Sphere hidden, around where Terrific is prepping.

They signal Terrific when someone is entering the vicinity, so if anyone tries too enter where they are, Pym and Terrific will be gone about time that they find them.

After this is done, 1 day shall have passed.

The next day, Raven will go out to a Home Depot or Walmart to get some walkie talkies, while Terrific goes to his base (T-Spheres can teleport him to his base)

He will grab 10 T-Spheres.

He will give 1 to the leader of the the team (Azula).

Then, he will go and see what will be the team's downfall in the battle (He can see the future).

Terrific will tell Azula that Thor is going to use the thunder attack, and that they should put the holograms where he will strike.

This will take 1 day.

He will then start developing things to defeat Cadence's team (Since he saw you would try to defeat them first).

He would go to his base and get his EM Dampener.

He would place it somewhere near the battle, so Magneto would be weakened, and the BW armor useless.

Battle

Well, Azula is a tactical genius (I am using mid-stability Azula, when she was on the verge of insanity, but not there), she no doubt would go and wait until she is attacked.

I would have Thor Lightning Transport to there location and maybe take out half his team with the Lightning/Tele Attack. I can see Hank and Azula taken down by this.

Well, Hank and Terrific wont be there.

Azula and the rest of the team would be fine since they wont be here.

BW would be taken out by Aqualad.

His attacks are quicker, and more powerful in all.

Raven and Pym could take out Mags and Toxin.

This would most likely be Raven in a bloddlusted state, since you just tried to kill her and her teammates, in which she traumatizes Mags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq5NQtBop9w

Pym takes Toxin into the Microverse, and leaves him there.

Aqualad, Terrific, and Azula would take on Thor.

They should win, Azula and Aqualad being a distraction, until Terrific is able to use his T-Spheres to K.O him with gases.

She then has to deal with Ketch, who will be much trouble, but after a long drawn out fight, I think Raven would win in the end, and most likely come out very beaten up.

She (Without much trouble) takes out Trigon, who turned the world into living hell.

#30 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice:

You only get 1 prep character.

Esquire changed the OP so that you get full knowledge, but only 1 character to prep with, and you get 1 week of prep.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#31 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry, was looking at the original prep post. Will edit later.,

#32 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Sorry, was looking at the original prep post. Will edit later.,

I figured as much, thought I'd give you a heads up before this continued too much longer :)

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

First after taking out YJ’s Team Mags will be able to senseand track your guys via Magnetic Bubbles your throwing around. I can then Have Cap and Toxin move from Building to Building with GR on the ground revving his bike toward ya.

After Finding you GR can make his Hellfire Avatars. Each as Strong as Ketch himself.

Then Cap will have Ketch Engage ya with Toxin and Cap Coming down ontop of your guys in a surprise attack.

The biggest hitters you have is Anti Venom and Rogue.

Thor vs Rogue is bound to happen thanks to her flying. Thor easy wins there.

Toxin should match Anti Venom nicely after he destroyed Carnage 3 times.

Add in Black Widow Mach 5 charging your guys as well and Cap doing his thing (known as awsomness) I should win handily with the added Ketch and 4 Hellfire Avatars.

Outgun, Outman, and Out Powered.

BAMSKY

#34 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: @Esquire: @CadenceV2:

Editing post.

#35 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

Done

@CadenceV2: @Floopay: @Esquire:

#36 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: @Esquire: Keeping this one short and simple and ready for votes.

#37 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: @Esquire: Keeping this one short and simple and ready for votes.

I want a rebuttal, and I'll try to get it up in the next couple days. But then we can be done.

#38 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: @Esquire: Alright have one by tonight :)

#39 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2

Here we go! Alright, first of all, I'm happy to let you and YJ tear chunks out of one another for a while. This should wear both of you down, but for the purposes of this post, I'm going to do a rundown of my team vs each of your full teams.

First after taking out YJ’s Team Mags will be able to senseand track your guys via Magnetic Bubbles your throwing around. I can then Have Cap and Toxin move from Building to Building with GR on the ground revving his bike toward ya.

This seems reasonable, I don't have any problems with him detecting my team.

The biggest hitters you have is Anti Venom and Rogue. Thor vs Rogue is bound to happen thanks to her flying. Thor easy wins there. After Finding you GR can make his Hellfire Avatars. Each as Strong as Ketch himself.

Even if Thor were able to beat Rogue, it won't matter. My team has full knowledge, and so we know that GR is the biggest threat remaining. Since Thor isn't one of the characters you have leading the charge, he won't be able to interfere when Rogue blitzes GR. She's able to fly faster than Psylocke, and all she has to do is touch Ketch. With the flameproof suit Reed made her and her and her natural Ms. Marvel Durability, she'll be able to resist his hellfire easily long enough to tag him. And once she's absorbed his powers, you're dealing with 5 amped Ghost Rider/Rogues, and your biggest hitter is down for the count.

Four of them will go after Thor, and with their Electricity-Proof Reed Suits they'll be immune to his lightning. They're around 100-tonners, fast flight, hellfire, sonics, flamethrowers, superhuman durability, and power absorption, so when they quadruple-team the Thunder God he won't be able to hold out.

with Toxin and Cap Coming down ontop of your guys in a surprise attack. Toxin should match Anti Venom nicely after he destroyed Carnage 3 times.

Anti-Venom has a huge advantage here, in that he can negate the symbiote cells from Mulligan's system, just like he did to Mac Gargan's Venom Symbiote. This will nearly kill Toxin and leave his host exposed, child's play for Eddie with his rifle. Even if Toxin couldn't be negated, Eddie could still take him. He's a 60+ tonner with durability at least as good as Toxin's, and he also has better healing powers which let him take more punishment. Eddie is a far more experienced and capable symbiote user than Mulligan, and he know the symbiotes so well he can kill them even when unbonded.

He has sonic grenades, incendiary grenades, sonic and flamethrower gauntlets, a gun and a knife, as well as all the myriad powers of the symbiote. Toxin has a lesser weakness to flame and sound than Venom and Carnage, but he's not immune like Anti-Venom, so they'll still do damage. And all of this is just icing on the cake, since Anti-Venom can indeed negate Toxin from the beginning of the fight.

Add in Black Widow Mach 5 charging your guys as well

Captain Boomerang has tagged Flash and a Flash clone, so Mach 5 is nothing he can't handle. He has anti-metal boomerangs, which negate molecular bonds in metals and will let him slice right through BW's armor. She'll get cut to pieces before she can engage anyone.

Cap doing his thing (known as awsomness) I should win handily with the added Ketch and 4 Hellfire Avatars.

Cap is just outclassed here. I've got Reed with a weather wand, who's too durable for Cap to hurt and has the offensive abilities to get around the shield, mostly thanks to the wand. I've got Captain Boomerang, who could throw an anti-metal boomerang straight through the shield or hit him from all sides with hypersonic explosive boomerangs. I've got Static Shock, who could use his magnetism to remove the shield and own Cap with a variety of powers. I've got one more Rogue/Ghost Rider, who outclasses Cap in every way. I know he doesn't lose, but he's going to have to learn here.

This leaves Ultimate Magneto. He's unable to do much to my team thanks to Reed's anti-magnetism device, but you might think he could hunker down inside his shields and wait for everything to blow over. You would be wrong. First of all, the devices would disrupt his shields when the bubble comes into contact with the shield. But even better, Reed has a Weather Wand. The wand lets him create tornadoes inside of closed environments, like a person's stomach. Ultimate Reed has looser morals than 616, but even so he might not go straight for the kill. However, he can simply create a tornado inside the forcefield, which will blast Mags around until he's either KO'd or has to drop the shield.

Game, Set, Match.

Your turn.

If you somehow manage to take down Cadence's team without any casualties, I'll be waiting. Your biggest weakness is your team's lack of durability. I plan to exploit it. Owen will lead with a boomerang barrage. He throws them faster than sound, fast enough to hit every bullet from an automatic submachine gun. He's a little bit ridiculous. Here he is throwing a supersonic boomerang, tagging Wally West, throwing Escrima Sticks through metal robot's heads with accuracy and richochets that would make Bullseye proud, and vs a Jay Garrick Clone that had just soloed most of the outsiders:

With the Razor, Explosive, Incendiary, and Taser boomerangs, as well as his electro-escrima sticks, he can plausibly take out most of your team solo.

Really, Aqualad is the only member of your team with particularly superhuman durability, whereas all of my team are tough. Rogue has Ms. Marvel durability, Reed has elasticity, Hawkins has forcefields, Anti-Venom has great durability and a powerful HF, and although he has no superhuman durability, Boomerang runs in the mach 3 range and has hypersonic reflexes, so he can dodge most anything you throw at him.

My team has fire and electricity-proof suits, which render Azula largely ineffective. She is also fragile compared to my team.

If Ant-Man goes microscopic, then Reed will summon a tornado which will utterly destroy him in his microscopic state. If he goes Giant, Boomerang has a bigger target, and Rogue, Anti-Venom, and Static Shock can take him, anyway. Plus, Reed can Lightning-strike him to death.

Mr. Terrific is a very versatile character, but again he just doesn't have the durability to contend. Every member of my team has easily the power to take him down in very few hits, and he doesn't have the offensive skills or powers to compete with hypersonic or sheer strength deficits he'll face against most of them. His holograms won't make a huge difference, simply because Owen can throw boomerangs at everyone he sees before you can react, so we'll know which are holograms and which are real. Added to this, Reed and Static have AoE attacks.

Aqualad will have to go against Rogue, who outclasses him in stats, can fly, and will absorb his powers as soon as she touches him.

Raven is your most powerful character, but she'll also be the first character we focus on. Brock will shoot her, Owen will throw at her, Reed will lightning-strike her, and Virgil will blast her. She's good, but not good enough to solo my team.

#40 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

Putting up rebuttal tonight.

#41 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire:

I belive Rogue wont affect GR at all. I never seen anyone Immune to the SOUL BURNING of Hellfire. Your suit only protects your Physical body.

So now Rogue is down.

Anti Venom could negate Toxin if Ultimate Cap who has fought mutiple 60+ Tonners Many Times wasnt there to beat on Venom. Cap is FAR from outclass. Heres a 20 Tonner with Deadpool Healing taken down by Cap. Add that with 90 Tonner Toxin and thats a KO Anti Venom.

Cap While Tranquilized takes down mutiple 60+ Tonner Shield Agents and withstands a Mach Speed IM Charge.

Mercer has never shown Speed to hit anything past Mach 1 with his Boomerangs and with Magneto chuking metal, Hellfire Avatars of GR, and Thor Lightning (since Rogue went after GR to be KO) means Cap Boomerang will be too busy to notice Black Widow charging.

Not that it matters since Iron Man Armour has not intercepted 99% Lightspeed already with Captain Marvel. Black Widows is a Geared out with Guns version. The Stats are the same.

So now I have many Answeres to Owens Boomerangs.

Now onto Ultimate Reed with a Weather Wand of one of the Rogues.... WTH?! When does he get DC Gear or have time to build that along with Fire Proof Suits and Anti Mag Bubbles? BS!

Either way doesnt protect you from Mags Pre Assaulting your whole team with Metal from the sky like this!

or

This could be a problem for your guys.

Ontop of this I can EASY Disable your Magnetic Fields via Thor EMP Blast.

Now to @YoungJustice: I dont think Mr. Terrific Sheres are helpful since Mags can clearly manipulate the Metal Doo Dads as well sense your team real position via Seeing thru Metal and Sensing your movements with the metal on you.

I will Wipe out most your team with the Hellfire Avatar and Lightning Teleport Combo.

Truth is against both your teams I have the most Versatile Powers and Outnumber you both. Heck Both of you guys combine only Match my team in Numbers yet I still hold the Power Advantage as well.

I have this match.

#42 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: What happened to "I'm ready for voting," lol? I'll get something up in the next day or two.

#43 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: You brought the Beast out lol

#44 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire:

Your biggest weakness is your team's lack of durability. I plan to exploit it. Owen will lead with a boomerang barrage. He throws them faster than sound, fast enough to hit every bullet from an automatic submachine gun. He's a little bit ridiculous. Here he is throwing a supersonic boomerang, tagging Wally West, throwing Escrima Sticks through metal robot's heads with accuracy and richochets that would make Bullseye proud, and vs a Jay Garrick Clone that had just soloed most of the outsiders:

With the Razor, Explosive, Incendiary, and Taser boomerangs, as well as his electro-escrima sticks, he can plausibly take out most of your team solo.

Azula would be the only one taken down.

Pym can go microscopic on thought.

Terrific has force fields.

Aqualad has armor.

Raven has....herself..

If Ant-Man goes microscopic, then Reed will summon a tornado which will utterly destroy him in his microscopic state. If he goes Giant, Boomerang has a bigger target, and Rogue, Anti-Venom, and Static Shock can take him, anyway. Plus, Reed can Lightning-strike him to death.

How would he know where he is, and on top of that, it would be extremely difficult to make a tornado that doesn't destroy someone on your team or destroy the battlefield.

Mr. Terrific is a very versatile character, but again he just doesn't have the durability to contend. Every member of my team has easily the power to take him down in very few hits, and he doesn't have the offensive skills or powers to compete with hypersonic or sheer strength deficits he'll face against most of them. His holograms won't make a huge difference, simply because Owen can throw boomerangs at everyone he sees before you can react, so we'll know which are holograms and which are real. Added to this, Reed and Static have AoE attacks.

He doesnt have the offensive skills?

He is a master martial artist!

He doesnt need powers with T-Spheres.

They are practically his superpowers.

They easily break Black Adam and Captain Marvel apart.

He also has knock out gas in them.

Also, I could see Owen and Static being taken down by this attack.

They can also create gravitational forces.

Aqualad will have to go against Rogue, who outclasses him in stats, can fly, and will absorb his powers as soon as she touches him.

Agreed.

Raven is your most powerful character, but she'll also be the first character we focus on. Brock will shoot her, Owen will throw at her, Reed will lightning-strike her, and Virgil will blast her. She's good, but not good enough to solo my team.

None of those will defeat her.

She would be bloodlusted, meaning that she would do this.

Or this.

Skip to 21:00

Her shields are powerful enough to keep all of the Titans contained.

So I highly doubt your attacks are gonna defeat her.

#45 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

I dont think Mr. Terrific Sheres are helpful since Mags can clearly manipulate the Metal Doo Dads as well sense your team real position via Seeing thru Metal and Sensing your movements with the metal on you.

I highly doubt these are metal.......

I will Wipe out most your team with the Hellfire Avatar and Lightning Teleport Combo.

I dont see how any of your team is getting past a bloodlusted Raven, Pym, and Terrific.

Raven's sheild's can easily keep the Hellfire Avatar's and all attacks out.

While Terrific could (deliberately) leave T-Spheres outside the sheild, and K.O Thor and Magneto.

While Pym (While in microscopic form) brings Toxin down. Rendering him useless.

Raven could take on Ketch alone, with a strong possibility of Ketch winning.

With Pym, Aqualad, Terrific, and Azula helping her out, I doubt that he stands a chance.

#46 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 @YoungJustice

You've both disregarded an important point. Both of you have stated that you're attacking each other before you're attacking me. So that leaves me with a big advantage strategically and numerically. This will be an important factor in the battle.

I belive Rogue wont affect GR at all. I never seen anyone Immune to the SOUL BURNING of Hellfire. Your suit only protects your Physical body. So now Rogue is down.

But if he's fighting most of Youngjustice's team, she can blitz him from behind. His fire doesn't always burn the soul, in character he often uses it as just normal fire. With the Reed suit and Ms Marvel durability, Rogue can tank that with ease. If Ketch is attempting to kill most of YJ's team, as you've stated, with her supersonic flight speed Rogue can blast in for a touch before he can adjust to her attack, or at least before he can counter with anything powerful enough to stop her. Once she's tagged him, he's KO'd and there's five amped versions of him fighting for my team.

Anti Venom could negate Toxin if Ultimate Cap who has fought mutiple 60+ Tonners Many Times wasnt there to beat on Venom. Cap is FAR from outclass. Heres a 20 Tonner with Deadpool Healing taken down by Cap. Add that with 90 Tonner Toxin and thats a KO Anti Venom. Cap While Tranquilized takes down mutiple 60+ Tonner Shield Agents and withstands a Mach Speed IM Charge.

Ultimate Cap, as great as he is, is a glorified Street-leveller. He's around 4 tons, Anti-Venom is estimated at around 80. Ultimate Steve has solid feats, but Anti-Venom is essentially immune to anything he can do. He's more powerful than Venom, and the original Venom symbiote was totally unaffected by Spider-Man's 10-ton punches. Cap's won't do anything.

Ultimate Cap was outmatched physically by Ultimate Spider-Man, who was outwrestling him in Ultimate Six. Ult Pete is a 9-tonner, barely 10% of Anti-Venom's strength, and he was beating Rogers. Eddie will have no trouble in a physical confrontation. And beyond that, I see Eddie just drowning Cap in organic webbing. 4 tons isn't nearly enough to break organic webbing, and Eddie has shown willingness to spam it. Toxin is a much greater threat, so he wouldn't bother fighting Steve when he has no need to do so. Incapacitation is sufficient, and can be done almost instantly. Then it's Anti-Venom vs Toxin, and Eddie will win that easily, as I've already shown in my earlier post.

Mercer has never shown Speed to hit anything past Mach 1 with his Boomerangs and with Magneto chuking metal, Hellfire Avatars of GR, and Thor Lightning (since Rogue went after GR to be KO) means Cap Boomerang will be too busy to notice Black Widow charging.

Again, you have to remember that you're fighting YJ's team. Owen can use a speed burst to catch your team unawares, and then spam boomerangs while all the other characters are engaged. I've shown some of his accuracy and rate of fire feats, and let me reiterate that he's tagged Flash. That means that he has to be throwing faster than bullets, since Flash can dodge bullets after they've already touched his skin.

I know that's Barry in the first scan, but not only is Wally faster but he's replicated the feat in Tower of Babel. I just don't have scans of that instance. So Owen is throwing things well into the supersonic, and he's doing it with Bullseye-caliber accuracy. Did you see the ricochets he was doing with Nighwing's Eskrima sticks? And he doesn't even specialize in Eskrima Sticks. And he can throw peperclip boomerangs fast enough to tag every round from a submachine gun. The guy's ridiculous.

And most importantly, your team will be fighting YJ's team. So they won't be aware enough of Owen to counter his well-supersonic boomerangs and superhuman accuracy. He can do a lot of damage to both teams.

Now onto Ultimate Reed with a Weather Wand of one of the Rogues.... WTH?! When does he get DC Gear or have time to build that along with Fire Proof Suits and Anti Mag Bubbles? BS!

Tell me if this sounds familiar:

said:

Now that he's spent five days working with elements and electromagnetism, he'll take that experience to make a wand like the one Weather Wizard uses. Since WW's is also technology, Reed should be able to make it easily, especially with his recent research experience.

said:

Ill go on Record and say Ultimate Reed can definitely do all that.

Sooo...complaints about my prep are a little late, I think. The wand is tech, Reed is a walking plot device as far as building tech, and he's been working with Electromagnetism and Elements for several days. I don't see the problem.

Either way doesnt protect you from Mags Pre Assaulting your whole team with Metal from the sky like this! This could be a problem for your guys.

Ignoring Owen, Rogue, Static, and Anti-Venom's many superspeed abilities, and Ultimate Reed's durability, I have plenty of ways to counter this. Static is also a magnetic manipulator, and can at least redirect anything that gets too close. He can also generate forcefields to protect from anything Mags tries to throw. Rogue can redirect from the air using her superstrength and flight, or Reed can summon a tornado using his wand, which will get most everything out of the way. And they still have superspeed for dodging and evading. Plus, Reed could lightning strike or summon a tornado to attack Magneto, which would at least throw off his concentration and quite possibly KO him. So all of this adds up to not much trouble from Magneto.

On top of this I can EASY Disable your Magnetic Fields via Thor EMP Blast.

I can just imagine the scene.

Magneto: "They've got forcefields which make them immune to electromagnetic attacks."

Cap: "I never lose! Thor! Use an electromagnetic pulse!"

Magneto: "..."

See the problem here? You're missing the whole purpose of the fields.

said:

Azula would be the only one taken down. Pym can go microscopic on thought. Terrific has force fields. Aqualad has armor. Raven has....herself..

So we agree that Azula goes down. Pym would have to see the boomerangs coming, but since he's fighting Cadence's team he might already have gone microscopic. So he might survive the initial onslaught. Owen has EMP boomerangs, so Mr. Terrific's fields will go down, and he'll then be killed by hypersonic razor and explosive boomerangs. Aqualad's armor is useless against the Anti-Metal boomerangs, since they dissolve the molecular bonds forming metals and cut right through. He'll go down. Does Raven have any reflex feats to suggest that she could react to boomerangs that tag Flash?

How would he know where he is, and on top of that, it would be extremely difficult to make a tornado that doesn't destroy someone on your team or destroy the battlefield.

He would see where he was before he went microscopic. His traversal speed when tiny can't be that great, and the wand can make some pretty large tornadoes. Since there's a pretty decent starting distance and I have no reason to avoid destroying the environment, I don't think Reed would have any reason not to summon a large one, either.

He doesn't have the offensive skills? He is a master martial artist! He doesnt need powers with T-Spheres. They are practically his superpowers. They easily break Black Adam and Captain Marvel apart. Also, I could see Owen and Static being taken down by this attack.

I'm not sure that he qualifies as a "Master Martial Artist," but even Lady Shiva would have little chance against my team. Terrific can't get through their durability and speed with his martial arts, so his only hope is T-Spheres. Unfortunately, Static is able to magnetically manipulate and magnetize things that aren't even metal.

None of those will defeat her. She would be bloodlusted, meaning that she would do this. Her shields are powerful enough to keep all of the Titans contained. So I highly doubt your attacks are gonna defeat her.

She wouldn't be bloodlusted if she's the first character we target. Maybe once we've killed some of her friends, but not immediately. Even if she tries those shields, Reed can still sic a tornado on her, and Owen won't be hanging around the rest of my team. He'll be kiting around the borders of the battlefield killing anyone who isn't looking at him. So she won't be able to contain him and the rest of my team at the same time.

#47 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio
Azula would be the only one taken down. Pym can go microscopic on thought. Terrific has force fields. Aqualad has armor. Raven has....herself..

So we agree that Azula goes down. Pym would have to see the boomerangs coming, but since he's fighting Cadence's team he might already have gone microscopic. So he might survive the initial onslaught. Owen has EMP boomerangs, so Mr. Terrific's fields will go down, and he'll then be killed by hypersonic razor and explosive boomerangs. Aqualad's armor is useless against the Anti-Metal boomerangs, since they dissolve the molecular bonds forming metals and cut right through. He'll go down. Does Raven have any reflex feats to suggest that she could react to boomerangs that tag Flash?

Terrific is invisible to technology, I am almost 100% that the EMP wouldn't go off.

No, Raven doesn't have them, but she does have intangibility.

How would he know where he is, and on top of that, it would be extremely difficult to make a tornado that doesn't destroy someone on your team or destroy the battlefield.

He would see where he was before he went microscopic. His traversal speed when tiny can't be that great, and the wand can make some pretty large tornadoes. Since there's a pretty decent starting distance and I have no reason to avoid destroying the environment, I don't think Reed would have any reason not to summon a large one, either.

Hank would travel at pretty fast speeds, even if he wasn't, I doubt that any type of tornado would destroy something so tiny.

He doesn't have the offensive skills? He is a master martial artist! He doesnt need powers with T-Spheres. They are practically his superpowers. They easily break Black Adam and Captain Marvel apart. Also, I could see Owen and Static being taken down by this attack.

I'm not sure that he qualifies as a "Master Martial Artist," but even Lady Shiva would have little chance against my team. Terrific can't get through their durability and speed with his martial arts, so his only hope is T-Spheres. Unfortunately, Static is able to magnetically manipulate and magnetize things that aren't even metal.

Good thing that Terrific has an E.M.P dampener.

Static would go down quick to some gas.

(In case you wondering how effective this glass is, it is able to take down Alan Scott)

None of those will defeat her. She would be bloodlusted, meaning that she would do this. Her shields are powerful enough to keep all of the Titans contained. So I highly doubt your attacks are gonna defeat her.

She wouldn't be bloodlusted if she's the first character we target. Maybe once we've killed some of her friends, but not immediately. Even if she tries those shields, Reed can still sic a tornado on her, and Owen won't be hanging around the rest of my team. He'll be kiting around the borders of the battlefield killing anyone who isn't looking at him. So she won't be able to contain him and the rest of my team at the same time.

Remember that would have just fought Cadence's team, and IIRC, Azula would be dead.

Shields would be a last resort, she would go for the kill.

#48 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Terrific is invisible to technology, I am almost 100% that the EMP wouldn't go off.

That's not how being invisible works. If Owen was a robot, then he couldn't see Terrific. Or if they were homing boomerangs they wouldn't be able to target him. But this doesn't have any fancy detection powers, it's just a boomerang that gives off an electromagnetic pulse after it's thrown. It pulses for a set amount of time and then returns. It doesn't detect targets to pulse or anything like that Mr Terrific's invisibility won't affect it.

No, Raven doesn't have them, but she does have intangibility.

How often does she use this? If you think it's likely that she'd be using it against Cadence's team, then I'll concede that she has a chance to survive the initial boomerang onslaught.

Hank would travel at pretty fast speeds, even if he wasn't, I doubt that any type of tornado would destroy something so tiny.

Haven't read much Ant-Man, but it stands to reason that a person with legs a millimeter long couldn't run very fast. Does he have some way to travel at high speeds while tiny? And the tornado won't care how small he is, it'll just suck him in and toss him around like everything else.

Good thing that Terrific has an E.M.P dampener.

He has a device that helps stabilize a a building during earthquakes. Not only am I skeptical that it would do anything at all to affect Static's powers, but it's part of a building. It's not something you can just grab from a lab and strap to your back. Also, if he's placing it "near the battlefield" I don't see why it would have enough range to affect the battle, since it's effects seem localized to the building. And it doesn't work very well, either. Here's the scan:

Remember that would have just fought Cadence's team, and IIRC, Azula would be dead. Shields would be a last resort, she would go for the kill.

You misunderstand. Since she's one of the biggest threats here, my team would attack her while she's engaged with Cadence's team. Static and Reed would fire lightning and Owen would throw boomerangs at the same time as Owen threw razorangs to kill Azula. So she would still be fighting in character for the moment.

#49 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Azula would be the only one taken down. Pym can go microscopic on thought. Terrific has force fields. Aqualad has armor. Raven has....herself..

So we agree that Azula goes down. Pym would have to see the boomerangs coming, but since he's fighting Cadence's team he might already have gone microscopic. So he might survive the initial onslaught. Owen has EMP boomerangs, so Mr. Terrific's fields will go down, and he'll then be killed by hypersonic razor and explosive boomerangs. Aqualad's armor is useless against the Anti-Metal boomerangs, since they dissolve the molecular bonds forming metals and cut right through. He'll go down. Does Raven have any reflex feats to suggest that she could react to boomerangs that tag Flash?

Terrific is invisible to technology, I am almost 100% that the EMP wouldn't go off.

Even if the EMP didn't disable the field, Static can do it even to an unbreakable field:

#50 Posted by YoungJustice (6863 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought I replied. Odd, will later.