#1 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 2 HW & LW Tournament joeagentofhand1 VS Esquire

joeagentofhand1-Etrigan & Wonder Man

Esquire-Ultaman & Booster Gold

RULES

  • You win by debating for your team.
  • No BFR
  • Fight to death or KO
  • Fight takes place on Merged Marvel & DC earth ( City )
  • If debate comes to a standstill, users are allowed to vote
  • Pre-Flashpoint DC characters
  • Current Marvel characters
  • Make good cases
  • No Prep
  • Standard Gear
  • Morals Off

BEGIN !

#2 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

According to my knowledge Ultraman is a stronger, but entaly weaker version of Superman. i believe Etrigan can handle him like he did Superman.

strength: vs superman

vs wonder woman

vs Alan Scott

Magic:

Sending Superman back in time

Hellfire

Durability:

taking punch through the body by Solomon Grundy.

According to Darkseid:

According to Dr. Fate: "Etrigan augments our might by tapping into Primal Mystical Forces, beyond my calling"

Wonder Man can beat Booster Gold or keep him busy.
vs Goliath/Atlas


#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

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#4 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

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#5 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

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#6 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1

As impressive as that is, what's to stop a morals-off Ultraman from speedblitzing both of your characters? I really saw no speed feats there. Ultraman has the speed to blitz Superman, so he should have no trouble blitzing Etrigan.

And Booster's shields allow him to simply turtle up against Wonder Man's attacks while Ultraman beats Etrigan, and then the two can double-team Wondy. The forcefields are strong enough to stand up to Guy Gardner, Doomsday, and have enough magic resistance to block blasts from Trigon in his own realm. Booster has easily enough durability to stick around for quite a while.

#7 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes but that feat against Superman is also an example if his reaction timing. Superman seems to be moving at high speeds and Etrigan uses his strength and Superman's movement to hit him to the moon. I am assuming Ultraman is weak to magic which Etrigan us all about. Etrigan can just engulf him in hellfire making him feel Lethe pain of every son he has done. He then sends Booster Gold back in time.

#8 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

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#10 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

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#11 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4300 posts) - - Show Bio

c'mon Esquire!! that was weak so far....... you may be in for a rough argument against Etrigan w/ Ultraman though. apparently mine w/ King Hyperion wasn't up to par...

#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

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#13 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

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#14 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4300 posts) - - Show Bio

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#15 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

Yes but that feat against Superman is also an example if his reaction timing. Superman seems to be moving at high speeds and Etrigan uses his strength and Superman's movement to hit him to the moon.

Superman has enough time to shout out a whole sentence, so he can't be moving that fast. And he never speedblitzes with morals on, unlike Ultraman, as I've shown. Ultra uses all of his powers to end his enemies quickly, which is what he'll do here. How would Etrigan fare against Freezing Breath and Heat Vision? And Solomon Grundy at his best is only on par with Superman. If he can blast right through Etrigan in one punch, what will a flurry of dozens from Ultraman do? I foresee total destruction for the Demon.

He then sends Booster Gold back in time.

Booster Gold's whole shtick is that he travels through time to keep the multiverse on the right track. Sending him back in time will accomplish nothing, he'll just come back.

Also, my team would fare much better than yours if the matchups were reversed. I've posted a scan of Booster tanking magic blasts from Trigon and punches from Doomsday, so Etrigan can't really hurt him. Wonder Man, however, was KO'd by one hit from Mjolnir, so Ultraman should be able to punch him out pretty quickly. Then it's two on one, and Ultraman should be able to beat Etrigan solo. With Booster aiding him, the Demon goes down hard.

#16 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

There is not much your team can do to Etrigan. Booster can not physically hurt him and any damage Ultraman does will be healed(after Etrigan took that punch from Grundy he healed almost instantly). Etrigan can also teleport so finding catching up to Etrigan will be hard for your team. If Ultraman punches through Etrigan he while be burned by hellfire which could possibly KO him. Booster Gold will be hard, Etrigan can teleport inside Booster's body. An interesting side note is that Ragman's suit gave out on him during Etrigan's battle with Shadowpact shows how much of a danger he is(note: this did not happen when Ragman helped fight Eclipso).

#17 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1:

I think you're underestimating Booster here. He's no wimp when it comes to strength. He oneshots helicopters, lifts airplanes and submarines, throws taxis, and beat up Mammoth with absolute ease.

He may not be on the same level as Etrigan, but if Grundy is punching straight through the Demon in one hit, I think it's a little premature to say that Gold can't even do damage. And how well does Etrigan heal from decapitation or total dismemberment and destruction? Because Ultraman won't hesitate to tear him apart piece by piece and scatter him across the globe. And that's with morals on.

#18 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: @joeagentofhand1: Are we ready for voting? This has been going a while, and we've both gotten a fair amount of debate in.

#19 Posted by YoungJustice (6748 posts) - - Show Bio

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#20 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Thank you kindly.

@joeagentofhand1: Ready to let people vote on this one?

#21 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire:

#22 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1: Lol

We're ready for voting in here!

#23 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

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#24 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: okay

Let the voting begin !

#25 Posted by marvelbeast (602 posts) - - Show Bio

joeagentofhand1-Etrigan & Wonder Man Wins

#26 Posted by YoungJustice (6748 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Esquire all the way.

Both did provide a good argument, but Esquire used his words instead of his scans.

#27 Posted by laflux (15125 posts) - - Show Bio

Esquire for the win

Good debate tho.

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#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Esquire wins !