Rorschach/Killer CrocVS.The Punisher/Kick Ass

punisher wins this. roch can only beat street thugs the only time he was shown to fight some one who knew how to fight he ended up getting wouped. while kick ass he currently has the ability to use his clubs decently  beating up untrained individuals but is  below roch so he wont be much of a factor.Croc is the threat to punisher but i do believe punisher is skill enough to beat him and his standard gun,riffle,knife,explosives will tip things to his favor.

if punisher tries to protect kickass he'd jeopardize his assault on rorschach and croc. because of his attempts to protect him he'd lose. if he wasn't trying to protect him and he just let rorschach throw him off the ledge then he'd probably win.

Team 2.

Rorschach get a ton of planning. His team wins.  

Well thought out match.

Rorschach with prep? Scary.

punisher wins this. roch can only beat street thugs the only time he was shown to fight some one who knew how to fight he ended up getting wouped. while kick ass he currently has the ability to use his clubs decently  beating up untrained individuals but is  below roch so he wont be much of a factor.Croc is the threat to punisher but i do believe punisher is skill enough to beat him and his standard gun,riffle,knife,explosives will tip things to his favor.

telacalipoca i do believe punisher would beat him he struggled with a comedian in his 30's well frank he is like comedian times a 1000 no way that is why ozy killed him past his prime because he bet a younger skilled ozy and he did not forgive him and i say punisher takes this on his own kickass distracts rorschach long enough for punisher to take out killer croc then punisher owns rorschach kickass would be floored by rorschach though.

@barelyaverage: ozy isn't beating frank kid

Kick-Ass would beat Walter......just saying....

How?

Both are unimpressive...

Rorschach had two really bad showings. Especially when he got beat up by a group of random thugs.

@beta-56: Unimpressive? Sure in comparison to Batman. But their both still superior to any real life fighter.

@lubub55:By being more skilled and having better all around feats........

@allstarsuperman: I haven't read the Kick-Ass comics. What feats does he have to put him above Walter? I assume comic versions are being used here.

I see Team 2 winning this; should be close.

Ridiculous pain tolerance/durability. - Before he got his metal implants. He was stabbed. Hit by a speeding car. Had his back broken in multiple places. Had a fractured skull. HAs both his legs broke. And obvious serious internal organ damage. Yet he still was able to ditch his costume and hide it. - Later he fought off 3 guys at the same time. He fought through broken ribs. smashed teeth. And his eyes were swollen shut. - At the end of the first arc he endured torture. He was beaten with brass knuckles and had his balls hooked up to a car battery. To escape he erged a guy to kill him with his bare hands. He was punched so hard his chair tipped over and broke freeing him. He then got right up ready to fight. And went on to beat Red Mist easy.

Skill. - During his training with Hit-Girl he was able to fight off 4 armed goons. - After his training with her he was able to take down two at the same time without ever getting tagged. - He consistently beat Red Mist (who had Batman Begins style ninja training). - He beat a skilled attacker despite being blind. - He fought a large group of Rocco Genovese's guards. One of the guys even says he was seriously impressed.

Tactics. - Just as resourceful as Rorschach and smarter on top of it. Hit-Girl taught him to always put his enemy at a psychological disadvantage. Kick-Ass has a similar showing to Walter killing that guy in prison with electricity. Dave's was more impressive though cause he thought of it while being stomped on by multiple attackers. It's his "what would Batman do" ability.

@allstarsuperman: Well, it looks like he should win then unless Walter pulls something off with equipment.

@lubub55: Oh that's something I forgot to mention. Dave's batons give him a decent advantage over Walter being barehanded. The Grapple Gun shouldn't be a factor either considering Dave's speed.

@allstarsuperman: Can Dave avoid the grapple gun? Because that's what I had in mind when talking about equipment.

Punisher could solo if he's armed properly.

@lubub55: Well he doesn't really have bullet dodging feats. He's just shown as being quick in combat and decently agile.

Punisher solos.

Punisher solos

This is ridiculous.

Punisher solos.

Punisher solos.

Waylon solos.

Killer croc is a non factor unless he has his rock. So team 2 takes it with ease.