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Posted by Esquire
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@nickzambuto: From the (admittedly little) I know of Zoro, Gorgon can take him on speed alone. The guy toys with bullets, blitzed Wolverine before Logan even sensed him, and cut off a blitzing speedster's arm. Can Zoro compare?
@nickzambuto: From the (admittedly little) I know of Zoro, Gorgon can take him on speed alone. The guy toys with bullets, blitzed Wolverine before Logan even sensed him, and cut off a blitzing speedster's arm. Can Zoro compare?
Zoro easily cleared 100 yards in the span of a nanosecond in his fight with Baroque Works. An entire crowed of people didn't even see him move, he seemed to teleport.
I'd say he easily has speed to contend. 22 minute mark.
This single episode actually has a lot of feats for Zoro.
4:30 effortlessly dodges bullets at the last possible second to trick the crowd into killing each other
7:20 dodges a near point blank shot before skillfully kicking over a table to use as a shield, then proceeds to take out all enemies in the blink of an eye with perfect technique
8:00 dodges a cannonball after it's inches from his face, and is then fast enough to expertly cut the thrown barrel midair into 4 pieces which collide with the goons (incredible reaction time, perfect skill and precision)
When Zoro's cursed blade starts acting up, the swordsman just puts it in it's place.
8:37 intelligence, reflexes,
10:35 manhandling the most feared bounty hunter agency on the Grand Line is child's play for Zoro
11:00 Inhuman strength
15:00 great skill showing against Mr. 9
17:10 Zoro's superhuman speed and perception is enough to yank Mr. 9 across the alley and up in the sky as a bullet shield, after the bullets were fired. The swordsman proceeds to dispatch Ms. Wednesday easily and dodge a hailstorm of bullets before oneshotting Mr. 8.
@nickzambuto: Lion's song the one he use against mr. 1 can be a neat one-off trick but will be hard to pull because of the mind reading, yet he can manhandle the dude because of the house lifting feat in the alabasta arc
@nickzambuto: Lion's song the one he use against mr. 1 can be a neat one-off trick but will be hard to pull because of the mind reading, yet he can manhandle the dude because of the house lifting feat in the alabasta arc
Raw strength won't give him the win, though. Gorgon's skill feats are pretty dang impressive, and his combat speed is good enough to keep up with what Nick showed of Zoro. I think Gorgon's biggest advantage will be his HF, though, since this is a slicey cuttey sword battle. That and his TP movereading.
@nickzambuto: Lion's song the one he use against mr. 1 can be a neat one-off trick but will be hard to pull because of the mind reading, yet he can manhandle the dude because of the house lifting feat in the alabasta arc
Raw strength won't give him the win, though. Gorgon's skill feats are pretty dang impressive, and his combat speed is good enough to keep up with what Nick showed of Zoro. I think Gorgon's biggest advantage will be his HF, though, since this is a slicey cuttey sword battle. That and his TP movereading.
Strength is VERY important in a sword fight. Blocking and countering a strike becomes increasingly harder the more force put behind it. His MASSIVE strength edge actually puts this solidly in Zoro's favor.
I think I may of actually made this an accidental stomp, now that I watch a few more episodes of One Piece. Zoro is easily just as if not more skilled than Gorgon, and with his massive stat edge...
But if you're up for a debate we can keep this going.
@nickzambuto: Stomp match for Gorgon. Stone stare & TP means auto win. Take that away and I could debate for Zoro with anime (don't have manga scans)
BTW One Piece dubbed sucks. ಠ_ಠ
The manga is definitely better from what I've seen, but the Funimation Dub is still amazing.
4kids is a different story.
In anycase, TP doesn't really grant an autowin. Unless you're Sherlock Holmes, no fighter strategically plans out his exact battle plan in his head midfight; it's all muscle memory and natural ability, to automatically counter an enemies strike without thinking.
In all honesty, the same should apply to Wolverine, Elektra, and nearly everyone else Gorgon has read the mind of.
@nickzambuto: It's move reading TP it grants him precog backed up by a healing factor & a magical sword for any missteps. Plus Zoro damage soaking & durability means nothing if he can't cut off Gorgon's head.
Strength is VERY important in a sword fight. Blocking and countering a strike becomes increasingly harder the more force put behind it. His MASSIVE strength edge actually puts this solidly in Zoro's favor.
I think I may of actually made this an accidental stomp, now that I watch a few more episodes of One Piece. Zoro is easily just as if not more skilled than Gorgon, and with his massive stat edge...
But if you're up for a debate we can keep this going.
Strength didn't help Phobos much, and Ares had even forced him to master all forms of combat, iirc.
Strength is VERY important in a sword fight. Blocking and countering a strike becomes increasingly harder the more force put behind it. His MASSIVE strength edge actually puts this solidly in Zoro's favor.
I think I may of actually made this an accidental stomp, now that I watch a few more episodes of One Piece. Zoro is easily just as if not more skilled than Gorgon, and with his massive stat edge...
But if you're up for a debate we can keep this going.
Strength didn't help Phobos much, and Ares had even forced him to master all forms of combat, iirc.
Zoro isn't Phobos. The pirate should be vastly superior to Phobos in basically all regards. Slaughtering dozens of fish men, pinning a team of Marines in a single motion while starved, easily defeating Cabaji while bleading out, killing Hatchan when suffering from already lethal wounds, going toe-to-toe with Luffy, etc. All that is purely skill.
Gorgon's HF is pretty decent. He gets up unfazed from a missile blast and then tanks repeated shots from Wolverine and Elektra before beating the snot out of them with a wooden beam. That's a decent strength feat in itself, I would say, since he swings it fast enough for Logan to remark on his speed. Tanks Woverine's jetpack blitz at over 100 mph, falls several stories, and ignores Howlett slicing chunks off of him. None of this even slows him down. And his TP also allows him to dredge up all the horrors Zoro has faced and confront them with it.
That's a decent strength feat in itself, I would say, since he swings it fast enough for Logan to remark on his speed. Tanks Woverine's jetpack blitz at over 100 mph, falls several stories, and ignores Howlett slicing chunks off of him.
Gorgon is outclassed in strength department
None of this even slows him down. And his TP also allows him to dredge up all the horrors Zoro has faced and confront them with it.
He has faced an opponent when an entire arc's worth of pain/fatigue from luffy?
Gorgon's HF is pretty decent. He gets up unfazed from a missile blast and then tanks repeated shots from Wolverine and Elektra before beating the snot out of them with a wooden beam. That's a decent strength feat in itself, I would say, since he swings it fast enough for Logan to remark on his speed. Tanks Woverine's jetpack blitz at over 100 mph, falls several stories, and ignores Howlett slicing chunks off of him. None of this even slows him down. And his TP also allows him to dredge up all the horrors Zoro has faced and confront them with it.
HF or no, what's Gorgon gonna do without a head?
Zoro's strength and endurance work in unison to grant him some of the best damage soak and pain tolerance in all of fiction. He can get by. And considering it's his past horrors that motivate Zoro to do what he does, dredging up memories is going to do nothing for Gorgon but further spur Zoro to win.
Hatchan is class 100 and fast enough to create tornadoes with his blades, but Zoro matches him move for move on pure skill and technique, despite being forced to use two machetes in place of his signature katanas.
His speed and perception is unmatched, perfectly predicting the path of Hatchan's spinning blades midair and managing to slip right through. Then, with the last of his energy, Zoro finished Hatchan off.
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