@darkraiden: looks like prediction to me.
And your assumption is the method of perception somehow falsifies, what exactly?
I do hope you have an explanation where you said FTG is street level speed. lol And you need to quantify A's speed for a supporting argument in your favor. As it stands B > A > Sasuke in speed and reaction. This is proved with B beating Sasuke. B can achieve the same speed as cloak mode Naruto, but is only slower due to his lack of sensing abilities. Therefore. your notion completely baffles me. At the very least, what A faced was a Sasuke that had not quite mastered or fully awakened his EMS.
@jgames: The definition of how strong an attack in Bleach is not determined by the range of the blast. Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou is not more than a building block buster, but he can cut people with city+ durability like nothing.
Implying A is street level
> fallacy
You need to show a form of relativity with regular teleportation and the FTG technique with the speed and reaction ability of the concerned individuals with that of Minato and Tobirama outside of their teleportation and FTG technique to suffice for any credibility. Otherwise, your argument is just dead as stone. Simple comparison is just vague and essentially a fallacy in itself, a simple ploy derived to plot an argument off course.
Sasuke could still react to the cloaked Naruto. The only problem was, the chakra had a will of its own and moved on its own. So your assumption is an entire fallacy. Sasuke himself said he could react to Naruto, not the coak itself.
And this was a pre skip Sasuke who can keep up with a version 1 Jinchurikki mode. Certainly, Sasuke can predict movement, and Bee offsetted, by himself, this kind of prediction speed.
You would be well to remember that Observation Haki has a big flaw. Sheer speed can overcome it.
On the other hand, Sasuke never said he could not predict Naruto's movements. He was either too slow to react or a form of ploy outmaneuvered him. This is easily shown in Lee's first encounter and Naruto's cloak mode.
So uh... no; Sharingan predicts the movements of whoever he is facing.
The better a Sharingan, the better the prediction speed and quality.
With just a single tomoe, he was barely making out Haku's movement speed. With a second tomoe, his reaction increased to a level of kimimaru in base. With the 3rd tomoe, he could easily react to Kyuubi rage and Kyuubi Rage + cloak mode Naruto pre skip. All this points out to the fact that:
- EMS > Sharingan
- Sharingan >= Observation Haki
- Bee > Zoro and Erza in reaction speed
Keeping up with Naruto makes Bee on par with Naruto's own speed who is an easy lightning+ timer.
You would be well to remember that Observation Haki has a big flaw. Sheer speed can overcome it.
On the other hand, Sasuke never said he could not predict Naruto's movements. He was either too slow to react or a form of ploy outmaneuvered him.
-Sharingan >= Observation Haki
Reading comprehension lowlaville,did you leave it somewhere?
Almost every pre-cog ability in fiction cant avoid blitz if the speed is sufficient.That includes OH and sharingan.Next you're gonna tell me Sharingan can react to MFTL speeds lol.
They both have advantages and disadvantages.I would take OH over sharingan any time of the week but thats me.
@lowlaville: Pretty sure when he turned 1 tail, his chakra was too wild/unpredictable for Sasuke which nullified his 'predictions'. Point is it's body reading which isn't prediction.
And as far as we know:
A>Sasuke, Bee>=Sasuke. Bee hasn't shown speed to dodge Amaterasu, A has. Bee was being blocked and matched by Sasuke for a while, A was blitzing him. And never ever has anything said MS predicts better than normal sharingan. Ever.
FTG isn't street leve btw, reacting to teleporters is. Street levelers do it all the time.
A has speed feats that >Bee.
I don't know what you are reading but in no way does Sasuke even think about Bee or the Raikage as he stomps them. He would crush them both in seconds.
Also Kenpachi is more than enough for current Zoro even pre meteor crushing feats. Erza is by far the weakest one here and has never shown anything on the level that these guys are at except beating those 100 guys during the tournament. She isnt near fast enough nor strong enough to compete with any of these guys. Once Zoro is dead team 2 rolls.
Talking about when sasuke DID fight A and Bee.....and he was easily stomped by both of them. But A stomped harder. Plus Sasuke doesn't have the speed or firepower to beat them even now.
As for Kenpachi being >Zoro....idk. Zoro was lifting buildings and cutting through steel Pre timeskip. I can only assume he's gotten better and that should be enough.
Erza's not weak at all. She's island busted, she's survived all kinds of attacks, she's not even slow either. Like I said before, her or Zoro end Bee then I don't know too much about Kenpachi.
. Luffy's strongest attack has only destroyed a old sunken large wooden ship which is not nearly city busting.
Yes,Wood capable of surviving 10,000 psi for 800 years and does this to rock without breaking or getting a scratch.
Lol at Luffy not being city level.But thats a discussion for another time.
@scandy: Well I'll be damned. You failed to account to the actual context in this discussion. The users nor the characters being crisscrossed has shown MFTL speed to say you have any relevancy in your post. XD
Don't care whether you prefer Haki or not. I sort of already know you do.
@lowlaville: Pretty sure when he turned 1 tail, his chakra was too wild/unpredictable for Sasuke which nullified his 'predictions'. Point is it's body reading which isn't prediction.
And as far as we know:
A>Sasuke, Bee>=Sasuke. Bee hasn't shown speed to dodge Amaterasu, A has. Bee was being blocked and matched by Sasuke for a while, A was blitzing him. And never ever has anything said MS predicts better than normal sharingan. Ever.
FTG isn't street leve btw, reacting to teleporters is. Street levelers do it all the time.
A has speed feats that >Bee.
I don't know what you are reading but in no way does Sasuke even think about Bee or the Raikage as he stomps them. He would crush them both in seconds.
Also Kenpachi is more than enough for current Zoro even pre meteor crushing feats. Erza is by far the weakest one here and has never shown anything on the level that these guys are at except beating those 100 guys during the tournament. She isnt near fast enough nor strong enough to compete with any of these guys. Once Zoro is dead team 2 rolls.
Talking about when sasuke DID fight A and Bee.....and he was easily stomped by both of them. But A stomped harder. Plus Sasuke doesn't have the speed or firepower to beat them even now.
As for Kenpachi being >Zoro....idk. Zoro was lifting buildings and cutting through steel Pre timeskip. I can only assume he's gotten better and that should be enough.
Erza's not weak at all. She's island busted, she's survived all kinds of attacks, she's not even slow either. Like I said before, her or Zoro end Bee then I don't know too much about Kenpachi.
. Luffy's strongest attack has only destroyed a old sunken large wooden ship which is not nearly city busting.
Yes,Wood capable of surviving 10,000 psi for 800 years and does this to rock without breaking or getting a scratch.
Lol at Luffy not being city level.But thats a discussion for another time.
I hope you can prove this.
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