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@Oni_Bane: Superior fighting skills, better equipment, better experience (whether you think so or not).
Romulus only has implied feats. Saying someone has centuries worth of experience is worthless in battles. It doesn't show us what they did and even if that was the case, it'd be centuries of beating up nameless henchmen which isn't very impressive to begin with. Someone who has decades of getting the better of Marvel's elite martial artists and fighters in fights that actually occurred in canon is much more impressive.
@Dane Romulus is atleast on par in skill with Wolverine who is atleast on par with Black Panther if not better. Endurance wise he can last longer then Black Panther and his HF comes in to factor to, his claws should cut though his suit.
Current Panther vs current Romulus? Don't see how T'Challa stands much of a chance, Romulus KO'd Logan in the last Wolverine.
WHAT!!!?!?! I had an entire debate with someone on thr Cap vs Wolverine thread and their whole argument was that Wolverine cant be K.o'ed unless your class 100.
@Oni_Bane: Superior fighting skills, better equipment, better experience (whether you think so or not). Romulus only has implied feats. Saying someone has centuries worth of experience is worthless in battles. It doesn't show us what they did and even if that was the case, it'd be centuries of beating up nameless henchmen which isn't very impressive to begin with. Someone who has decades of getting the better of Marvel's elite martial artists and fighters in fights that actually occurred in canon is much more impressive.
Hm. He's handed Wolverine his arse. Has a healing factor on a par, if not better, than Logan's so by all intents and purposes, when he says he's their superior, thus far he's held true to his word (for the most part). BP on the heart shaped herb, with vibranium suit and knives make this more interesting. Not sure who wins.
The problem is Loeb has pretty much pushed the story forward in terrible fashion. Terrible.
Really, Wolverine under Loeb's lead is afraid of dying from falling from a highrise (when he's fallen from the SHIELD hellicarrier from far higher up and was just fine among many other consistent showings) and has Sabretooth getting pinned under a jeep. Not to mention he has Logan getting the upper hand on Red Hulk. Loeb doesn't seem to have just proportion with many characters forcing plot forward by any silly means necessary.
As Romulus is pretty much his creation, I'll say he loses to Black Panther on principle.
Current Panther vs current Romulus? Don't see how T'Challa stands much of a chance, Romulus KO'd Logan in the last Wolverine.
WHAT!!!?!?! I had an entire debate with someone on thr Cap vs Wolverine thread and their whole argument was that Wolverine cant be K.o'ed unless your class 100.
Well slashing damage seems to affect Logan more than punching damage.
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@Oni_Bane: No, maybe and no.
Wolverine isn't better than Black Panther. ABC logic is horrible anyway.
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Current Panther vs current Romulus? Don't see how T'Challa stands much of a chance, Romulus KO'd Logan in the last Wolverine.
WHAT!!!?!?! I had an entire debate with someone on thr Cap vs Wolverine thread and their whole argument was that Wolverine cant be K.o'ed unless your class 100.
Well slashing damage seems to affect Logan more than punching damage.
I mean bashing the vibranium shield against his skull. It would absorb any kinetic resistence and the damage should sink. Pretty much Wolverines skull wont break but his brain would be rattled to all hell and he would black out.
@Oni_Bane said:
@daak1212 That guy was an idiot. How does he always get captured if he can't be KO'ed
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Current Black Panther is a moot point since he is depowered and has no equipment or feats. Also, the guy in your thread never selected current over classic. No one with a brain would.
@daak1212 Well yeah but I've seen him get KO'ed by Captain America, Sebastian Shaw, Black Widow, Deadpool and many more
@Dane Ok... Then Romulus vs Classic BP.......man.
The Cap one was apparently after Wolverine went there a week long gauntlet or something like that. He was exhausted when he fought Cap and Im not referring to the origins battle
@daak1212 Well yeah but I've seen him get KO'ed by Captain America, Sebastian Shaw, Black Widow, Deadpool and many more
@Dane Ok... Then Romulus vs Classic BP.......man.
The Cap one was apparently after Wolverine went there a week long gauntlet or something like that. He was exhausted when he fought Cap and Im not referring to the origins battle
Sebastian Shaw is a class 100+
When did Widow k.o Wolverine and Deadpool?
1. when was this?
2. I can't remember exactly where i read it, hold on, i'll look though my books
@daak1212 Well yeah but I've seen him get KO'ed by Captain America, Sebastian Shaw, Black Widow, Deadpool and many more
@Dane Ok... Then Romulus vs Classic BP.......man.
The Cap one was apparently after Wolverine went there a week long gauntlet or something like that. He was exhausted when he fought Cap and Im not referring to the origins battle
Sebastian Shaw is a class 100+
When did Widow k.o Wolverine and Deadpool?
1. when was this?
2. I can't remember exactly where i read it, hold on, i'll look though my books
Shaw was always a class 100 depending on the amount of kinetic energy he absorbed, I have a scan of him using Colossus as a flail.
T'Challa avoided a Logan bullrush. Many have. Doesn't really constitute a win. There's Panther getting absolutely manhandled by Sabretooth and saved by Wolverine. There's a lot of tit for tat that can be said here. If BP has antimetal, the herb and his vibranium suit he can take this.
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@Super_SoldierXII: ABC logic is a bad plan, sir. Please show these scans of Panther getting manhandled, I don't actually remember that being as one-sided as you're suggesting.
OP has said Classic Black Panther. That's anti-metal, herb, vibranium suit, energy daggers etc.
@Super_SoldierXII: ABC logic is a bad plan, sir. Please show these scans of Panther getting manhandled, I don't actually remember that being as one-sided as you're suggesting. OP has said Classic Black Panther. That's anti-metal, herb, vibranium suit, energy daggers etc.
Not arguing a win based off that showing. Just responding to your skill comment based on one trademarked Wolverine bull rush (which should = fail against skilled opponents. He obviously underestimated T'Challa and went into "rah" tank mode) more so than who would win.
Sabes manhandled BP in return of the native. Had him by the throat before Wolverine intervened. Bad story and probably can be discarded ... but still.
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First and foremost I want to say that Sabretooth > Romulus in feats and fighting skill. If you want to take Daniel Way's (lol) horribad storyline and use it to contradict decades of character development and sense-making, that's cool. I'd rather not.
But to the fight in question: I do not in any way see how you can read that as manhandled. BP hits him 3 times, Sabretooth slashes him and then grabs him by the throat. Here's the thing about that: Black Panther could crush the nerve in his hand just like Captain America did to Wolverine or he could use his Anti-Metal claws to cut Sabretooth's hand off. He doesn't and here's why:
1) It's Jeph Loeb and he doesn't know how to write a logical sequence of events. Will provide evidence for anyone who wants to contest that. 2) It's in Wolverine's book and it's only done to show Wolverine intervening in a "this fights mine, leave him to me" sense. 3) T'Challa even says on the next page that he was never in any danger. He calls Wolverine's actions "unnecessary" and based on BP's other fights with guys like Captain America, Daredevil, etc, I'd say he's probably right.
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Thing is, T'Challa has been damaged by slashes with that suit on. Malice, Sabretooth, and Kraven have all done it.
He has erased Wolverine's memories before, whats to stop him from using TP on Black Panther. He Does have telepathic capabilities. He isn't as good as Prof X but still, good enought
First and foremost I want to say that Sabretooth > Romulus in feats and fighting skill. If you want to take Daniel Way's (lol) piece of shit storyline and use it to contradict decades of character development and sense-making, that's cool. I'd rather not.
I know you're in the zone, but no cursing, please.
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@Static Shock said:
@Dane said:
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Thing is, T'Challa has been damaged by slashes with that suit on. Malice, Sabretooth, and Kraven have all done it.
This is true, but he has also defeated people on or above the fighting skill of all of those. Off memory his fight with Kraven was quite decisive.
@k4tzm4n: I dodged that Cable run. I thought it would just irritate me with logical fallacies.
It seemed to be following Loeb's Rulk formula. Every issue said character will face off against popular heroes, and somehow said character will defy the odds against an increasingly ridiculous gauntlet of characters.
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@Static Shock said:
@Dane said:
First and foremost I want to say that Sabretooth > Romulus in feats and fighting skill. If you want to take Daniel Way's (lol) piece of shit storyline and use it to contradict decades of character development and sense-making, that's cool. I'd rather not.
I know you're in the zone, but no cursing, please.
I shall find more creative ways to express my opinions.
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Thing is, T'Challa has been damaged by slashes with that suit on. Malice, Sabretooth, and Kraven have all done it.
This is true, but he has also defeated people on or above the fighting skill of all of those. Off memory his fight with Kraven was quite decisive.
Aly won the first fight (in the kitchen). The second fight he went completely insane. He was basically yelling at T'Challa to deck him the entire time, and as expected, got slugged over and over as he continued to laugh and act like a mad fool before eventually getting knocked the fudge out.
Should Aly be good enough to beat T'Challa? IMHO no.
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@k4tzm4n said:
@Dane said:
@k4tzm4n: I dodged that Cable run. I thought it would just irritate me with logical fallacies.
It seemed to be following Loeb's Rulk formula. Every issue said character will face off against popular heroes, and somehow said character will defy the odds against an increasingly ridiculous gauntlet of characters.
This is true, but he has also defeated people on or above the fighting skill of all of those. Off memory his fight with Kraven was quite decisive.
I'm aware. I was just addressing the chink in T'Challa's suit. I think both of T'Challa's fights with Kraven were decisive. But, I feel as if Sergei wasn't written too properly, unless I'm missing something (T'Challa was depowered in that fight, so he should have a harder time with him). It seemed as if Sergei relied more on the abilities of that metahuman he abducted.
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@k4tzm4n said:
@Dane said:
@Static Shock said:
@Dane said:
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Thing is, T'Challa has been damaged by slashes with that suit on. Malice, Sabretooth, and Kraven have all done it.
This is true, but he has also defeated people on or above the fighting skill of all of those. Off memory his fight with Kraven was quite decisive.
Aly won the first fight (in the kitchen). The second fight he went completely insane. He was basically yelling at T'Challa to deck him the entire time, and as expected, got slugged over and over as he continued to laugh and act like a mad fool before eventually getting knocked the fudge out.
Should Aly be good enough to beat T'Challa? IMHO no.
Oh? I meant his fight against Sergei ages back. I'll try to dig up my scans.
He has erased Wolverine's memories before, whats to stop him from using TP on Black Panther. He Does have telepathic capabilities. He isn't as good as Prof X but still, good enought
T'Challa was able to resist a telepathic attack with his willpower. I don't think it would be that simple.
Anti-Metal Claws > Adamantium Claws. Vibranium has to be cut along the grain for it to damage the suit and even then, it won't damage T'Challa the way it would if he was unarmored.
Thing is, T'Challa has been damaged by slashes with that suit on. Malice, Sabretooth, and Kraven have all done it.
This is true, but he has also defeated people on or above the fighting skill of all of those. Off memory his fight with Kraven was quite decisive.
Aly won the first fight (in the kitchen). The second fight he went completely insane. He was basically yelling at T'Challa to deck him the entire time, and as expected, got slugged over and over as he continued to laugh and act like a mad fool before eventually getting knocked the fudge out.
Should Aly be good enough to beat T'Challa? IMHO no.
Oh? I meant his fight against Sergei ages back. I'll try to dig up my scans.
The only T'Challa vs Sergei fight I know of was in Black Panther's latest series.
@k4tzm4n: I dodged that Cable run. I thought it would just irritate me with logical fallacies.
It seemed to be following Loeb's Rulk formula. Every issue said character will face off against popular heroes, and somehow said character will defy the odds against an increasingly ridiculous gauntlet of characters.
Would that be the Rulk run that produced this?
Hah, yes, sir. That same issue also had Punisher holding off X-23 with a pool stick.
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