Rogue vs Iron Man

even though rogue has no morals im still gonna have to say she wins.

leaning towards rogue here. speed combined with cyclop's blast and hellion's tk are going to be a pretty lethal combo. and sunfire's power is nothing to sneeze at either. 

I was thinking Rogue is a little overpowered for Ironman................

Stark wins, easily.

@SirMethos:

Stark wins, easily.

How in the Hell does he win?

Cyclops' Blast is really Lethal agreed. With speed, flight, and telekinetic abilities, that would be an Over~Kill.

Rogue Wins.

Myon

I'm goin with Rogue...Morals Off with Cyclops power alone is deadly.

But with Sunfire, Surge, Hellion and Quicksilver?

She will be blasting the living crap out of him, and he won't be able to get a lock on her. Unless he can find a shielding frequency that can effectively absorb several different methods of energy at the same time within such a short amount of time.. and while his armor is impressive, i don't think it works like that.

This is Spite. Full Potential of all these powers with NO Morals? Do You Hate Tony?

Iron man is taken to the scrap yard,,,this is borderline spite if you ask me. Quicksilver speed, cyclops blast and telekenisis from hellion is a lot not to mention sun fire surge etc...

@MyonKuro said:

How in the Hell does he win?

Cyclops' Blast is really Lethal agreed. With speed, flight, and telekinetic abilities, that would be an Over~Kill.

Rogue Wins.

Myon

Cyclops' blast is useless against Bleeding Edge Iron Man. With the Bleeding Edge armor, he can absorb energy, and add it to his own reserves, or he can redirect it and fire the energy back(he did this against Silver Surfer).

Since the TK is restricted to external attacks, it is next to useless as well. There simply isn't enough raw power to damage Iron Man in the BE armor.

As for the speed. Iron Man, while not on Quicksilver's level, is not exactly slow himself. And he has proven in the past, that he is capable of tagging speedsters with his targeting computer.

Against the Hypervelocity armor, or earlier armors, Rogue would win this one. But against the Bleeding Edge armor, she simply isn't powerful enough.

Especially considering the fact that Iron Man in the BE armor, has enough firepower to take her down with a single shot.

Ahm gonna say that ah hope Tony kills her.

@SirMethos said:

Stark wins, easily.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

Cyclops' Optic Blast isn't energy to be absorbed in that fashion. It's concussive force. Only person who can absorb it is Havok.

Yea, Bishop would disagree.

He has absorbed Cyclops' blast on at least 2 different occasions.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@SirMethos said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

Cyclops' Optic Blast isn't energy to be absorbed in that fashion. It's concussive force. Only person who can absorb it is Havok.

Yea, Bishop would disagree.

He has absorbed Cyclops' blast on at least 2 different occasions.

I meant absorb and it not doing anything. No concussive force. When Cyclops shoots at Bishop, he gets pushed back by the concussive force and absorbs the access kinetic energy. Also, Cyclops doesn't use full force on Bishop. The force is as strong as a push. If Cyclops uses his full power.... (The concussive power to destroy a small planet) ... Bishop would die before he can absorb anything....

So like I said... Havok is the only one who's body can negate the concussive force and complete absorb it.

Aside from probably being a shameless plug for the Juggernaut, no Summers cannot rip a small planet in half. That was purely hyperbole on his part. We've seen him go "all out" and nearly kill himself or just damage the immediate with his visor off. Even max with it on hardly damaged the Hulk.

Rogue

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: I love Cyke as much as the next guy, but lets not get carried away. He was most definitely exaggerating there. His greatest feat of raw power was clearing a mountain range which he then passed out after doing. Just because Havok is the only one who has had the chance to fully absorb it does not mean he is the only one who has.

@god_spawn: In his defense, it was WWH. And to be honest, I'm not sure just how legit that writing was. Cyclops has removed mountains from the face of the Earth with nothing but pure concussive force. How Hulk was not blasted clean off the curvature of the Earth is beyond me.

Anyhow, in this scenario I give the win to Iron Man for many of the reasons stated before me. Rogue simply doesn't have the power to take him down now, even bloodlusted, end case. Not to mention that with she can be taken down in literally one shot from any weapon Iron Man possesses.

@mcballsnweiners: Cause it's a comic book. Keep your physics out of it. If we went by that law every 100 brick would be getting sent 5 states away with every punch.

Rogue easily...

@SirMethos said:

Cyclops' blast is useless against Bleeding Edge Iron Man. With the Bleeding Edge armor, he can absorb energy, and add it to his own reserves, or he can redirect it and fire the energy back(he did this against Silver Surfer).

Since the TK is restricted to external attacks, it is next to useless as well. There simply isn't enough raw power to damage Iron Man in the BE armor.

As for the speed. Iron Man, while not on Quicksilver's level, is not exactly slow himself. And he has proven in the past, that he is capable of tagging speedsters with his targeting computer.

Against the Hypervelocity armor, or earlier armors, Rogue would win this one. But against the Bleeding Edge armor, she simply isn't powerful enough.

Especially considering the fact that Iron Man in the BE armor, has enough firepower to take her down with a single shot.

Very good point but arent sunfire's attack been said to be has hot as the core of the sun itself, that could do some serious damage to him. Besides M is pretty strong herself, that with quicksilver's speed would be hard to handle. Dont know most of the mutants here properly can only here fly??

@Killemall: Aren't Sunfire's attacks still energy, which can be absorbed or redirected?

And if Iron Man can, in the Extremis Armor, take several point blank nukes, without any damage whatsoever, while his shields are only at 10%, then I don't see heat being any real problem for him, considering the raw heat generated in a nuclear explosion.

As for M's strength... 10 tons isn't particularly impressive against someone like Iron Man. Even without his force field, he could completely ignore any physical attack from her, it's not even enough power to annoy him, let alone do any real damage.

As for flight, the only of the mutants whose powers is listed, that can fly, is Hellion, and he can only reach roughly Mach 2. Iron Man could fly circles around that.

@SirMethos said:

@Killemall: Aren't Sunfire's attacks still energy, which can be absorbed or redirected?

And if Iron Man can, in the Extremis Armor, take several point blank nukes, without any damage whatsoever, while his shields are only at 10%, then I don't see heat being any real problem for him, considering the raw heat generated in a nuclear explosion.

As for M's strength... 10 tons isn't particularly impressive against someone like Iron Man. Even without his force field, he could completely ignore any physical attack from her, it's not even enough power to annoy him, let alone do any real damage.

As for flight, the only of the mutants whose powers is listed, that can fly, is Hellion, and he can only reach roughly Mach 2. Iron Man could fly circles around that.

This perfectly explains the situation. ^^

M can fly as well as sunfire. she has three different flying abilities. . i am thinking hellion's tk would be a real problem. she can shield herself from attacks and pick apart his armor. 

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

Yes, and he did that for a duration of 2 seconds. Now make him point directly at the ground fire his Optic Blast for 12 hours. the blast would dig its way through the otherside of the planet. Make him sweep his head left and right continuously for a day or two and you have two pieces of Earth floating in space.

Cyclops can, IIRC, only use his powers continuously for about 30 minutes. Though if you have some kind of proof that he can use it for 12 hours, let alone "a day or two" straight, then I'd love to see it.

@SirMethos said:

@Killemall: Aren't Sunfire's attacks still energy, which can be absorbed or redirected?

And if Iron Man can, in the Extremis Armor, take several point blank nukes, without any damage whatsoever, while his shields are only at 10%, then I don't see heat being any real problem for him, considering the raw heat generated in a nuclear explosion.

As for M's strength... 10 tons isn't particularly impressive against someone like Iron Man. Even without his force field, he could completely ignore any physical attack from her, it's not even enough power to annoy him, let alone do any real damage.

As for flight, the only of the mutants whose powers is listed, that can fly, is Hellion, and he can only reach roughly Mach 2. Iron Man could fly circles around that.

From what little i know of sunfire i think so yes. But we are comparing nukes with (the hyperbole) as hot as the sun, doesnt even begin to compare though.

LOL M is only 10 tonner haha i always got the feeling she was shown to be insanely strong, never realise she was only 10 tonner aye! well then i dont see how that strength will affect.

Actually after reading this it really looks like Iron Man should win rather comfortably, even if we assume Sunfire's attack hurts him because he has massive speed and fire power while the durability of Rogue is only that of a 10 tonner.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@SirMethos said:

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

Yes, and he did that for a duration of 2 seconds. Now make him point directly at the ground fire his Optic Blast for 12 hours. the blast would dig its way through the otherside of the planet. Make him sweep his head left and right continuously for a day or two and you have two pieces of Earth floating in space.

Cyclops can, IIRC, only use his powers continuously for about 30 minutes. Though if you have some kind of proof that he can use it for 12 hours, let alone "a day or two" straight, then I'd love to see it.

Give him a few Red Bulls and he might be able to pull it off. Otherwise, yes, he would need to take resting breaks. ---But he can still do it. 0_0

lol... this thread is gold

@SirMethos: Why TK can't effect him? Hellion's telekinetic powers are on a molecular level so he can use them to destroy his armor. And he can't absorb Cike, Surge and Sunfire's energy blasts at the same time. She has just to move behind him using Quicksilver powers and then use the other powers she has at the same time... Iron Man loses.

@Veitha: The Bleeding Edge Armor, even more so than the Extremis armor, is nano-tech. And is mentally controlled by Stark. This means that, no, Hellion's TK won't be removing the armor.

As for not being able to absorb 3 different blasts at the same time. Where did you get that from? It's just more energy, which can all be either absorbed or redirected. And BE-Iron Man isn't exactly slow himself. Considering Stark's starting intelligence, and the upgrade he has gotten from the Bleeding Edge, he's more than capable of realizing that he should stay in the air. Where she won't be able to use Quicksilver's speed(with the powers listed, her top flight speed is roughly Mach 2).

Stark out thinks and outmaneuvers hers, not to mention the fact that his durability and raw firepower is far more than Rogue can bring to the table. A single blast from Iron Man is enough to take her down.

@SirMethos: I don't see how the fact that Starks controlls his armor is gonna help him against telekinesis on a molecular level. Rogue has got the powers of three powerful energy manipulators that can overlord and destroy his armor using their powers at the same time. Her energy powers together are enough powerful to harm him and to stop him. And what doesn't allow Rogue to use Quicksilver speed while she flights?

And Hellion can create force fields strong enough to take a blow from a lot of Sentinels, this combined with Monet's virtual invulnerability is going to make her enough resistant to take every Stark's attacks, if he can take her.

Rogue has got too powerful powers for IronMan, you've just to look to what she's done in X-Men Legacy to one of his armors using less powerful powers

@Veitha:

"I don't see how the fact that Starks controlls his armor is gonna help him against telekinesis on a molecular level."

Nanotech, look it up.

"Rogue has got the powers of three powerful energy manipulators that can overlord and destroy his armor using their powers at the same time. Her energy powers together are enough powerful to harm him and to stop him."

Not so much, no. Again, he can simply absorb and/or redirect the energy. Unless you're somehow claiming that Rogue has a higher energy output than Silver Surfer.

In Director of SHIELD, the man they were hunting had found a way to miniaturize nuclear weapons while still keeping the same yield, but less radiation. Iron Man got lit up by a whole House full of thse things, and he didn't even get phased. Keep in mind that was Extremis, not Bleeding Edge.

"And what doesn't allow Rogue to use Quicksilver speed while she flights?"

Can Quicksilver fly? No, he can't. Thus, when/if Rogue is flying, she won't be able to use Quicksilver's movement speed(moving from point A to point B). She can still use his combat speed(punches, kicks, etc.) though. In case you didn't know, using the speed to move around him/behind him, would be movement speed.

Also, Even Pre-Extremis he was fast enough to tag Quicksilver, and actually beat the crap out of him.

"And Hellion can create force fields strong enough to take a blow from a lot of Sentinels, this combined with Monet's virtual invulnerability is going to make her enough resistant to take every Stark's attacks, if he can take her."

Tony's repulsor blasts in the Bleeding Edge, can deliver an energy output measured in millions of Petawatts, his 'plasma sword' was enough to seriously injure one of The Worthy, with a single hit, during Fear Itself. Not to mention his anti-matter bullets. As I said, Tony can take her down with a single blast.

"Rogue has got too powerful powers for IronMan, you've just to look to what she's done in X-Men Legacy to one of his armors using less powerful powers"

Yea, not so much. Try actually reading up on the Bleeding Edge armor. It is far more powerful than any of his earlier armors. To paraphrase Tony's own words about it, it's not just an upgrade on the last one, it's a completely new step.