Rock Lee vs Deathstroke

Lee part 2, starts off without weights and can go up to 4 gates.

Vs

Deathstroke pre and new 52 feats.

Slade gets his sword, bo staff and armour.

Bloodlusted, no prep, takes place in a car park, 10 metres apart.

Deathstroke one shots with his superior taijutsu.

How fast is Rock Lee?

I don't think Slade will have oribkem against Mach 1 speed. Not sure about hypersonic opponents though.

Lee stomps without gates.

Not even. Mach 3 to mach 4 without weights.

DS won't be able to keep up with Lee.

"and can go up to 4 gates."

I'm out.

Bruh

Dude. Ds is a bullet timer, but these speeds man. These speeds. Lee wrecks.

Where are users getting this speed calculations from because if it doesn't come from the creators then they are practical useless. If you want to pull out random fan calculations then Deathrstroke is hypersonic+ speed as well .

Mach 4 without gates? What?

You haven't been in many Naruto threads before, have you?

Can't wait for someone to pull out the Haku/Zaku scans proving Sasuke is basically mach 1+. Then showing that Rock Lee is vastly superior in terms of physical stats as compared to Sasuke pre-chidori training.

I have been in plenty of Naruto threads, and they always end up the same.

OK. But the fact that Sasuke at close to his weakest part 1 level was approximately mach 1 and that he was stated to be plainly slower than Lee is incontrovertible... whether the mangaka meant for him to be that fast or not.

Also... if you'd been in plenty of Naruto threads you'd know that basically 80% of Naruto ninja with enough feats to really be able to be CAV'd are simply beyond street levelers.

Even high end ones like composite Deathstroke.

I was going to post a youtube video of rock lee vs gaara to give people a sense of character but I could only find dubs and I refuse to watch for quality control.

Although if we were betting my money would go on drunken lee.

I literally laughed out loud when I saw this. Bravo.

But alas, Lee stomps with the greatest of ease.

Lee stomps. I'm guessing this mismatch is due to ignorance of some sort.

Sasuke doesn't have a single feat in part 1 that puts him at MACH 1, he was struggling to react to Haku's senbons when trapped in his Crystal Ice Mirrors.

Lee blitzes.

Lee.

Lee With 5Gates is about Mach1 don't exaggerate ppl Naruto manga doesn't state how fast their characters are...But he is much much faster than slade.

Lee turns slade into a punching bag especially after releasing gates

Does this count?

The sharingan allows the user to see the build-up of charka, so Sasuke would have saw Zaku building up the charka in his arms before the attack was launched which allowed him to save himself and his comrades. This is why fan calculations are a terrible way to judge characters because information like this is over looked.

slade ;)

Lee can't hurt Deathstroke. He can literally stand there and let lee burn out.

@nick_hero22: Failing to reaction to haku's senbon...hmmm maybe that was due to the fact that while within ice release: demonic crystal ice mirrors Haku's is reflecting from surface to surface(lightspeed) and possibly also due to the fact his opponent throwing the senbon is not a base human but superhuman(which undoubtedly had an effect on how hard/fast the object travels) as well as trying to protect naruto his best friend all the while with an undeveloped sharingan with one tomoe in one eye and two tomoe in the other eye.

Also what proof do you have a bloodlusted curse seal sasuke was worrying about seeing/sensing chakra build up(which I don't believe sasuke was even proficient at the time) rather than saving his comrades and causing bodily harm to zaku for attacking team 7.

Also even if what say were true he still had not moved before zaku put his arms out for an attack and his teammates were on the ground still.

Sorry Slade...Bushy Brow FTW

1) Haku wasn't moving at MACH speed let alone the speed of light, and what would that have to do with the velocity of the senbon since there speed isn't contingent on Haku's speed? If they are MACH speed then Sasuke wouldn't need to protect Naruto right, especially when it has been shown that base Naruto is capable of tagging Sasuke after his Chunnin Exam boost in their hospital fight.

2) Haku has no superhuman feats of strength, so that is a baseless assumption on your part.

3) He had his sharingan activated, so he would have saw it regardless if he wanted to or not, especially when him and his comrades were in immediate danger. He could have timed his moves according to the spiking of Zaku's charka in his arms.

This thread is a joke

@dajhonmccloud: I know.

These DS fanboys though

Lee stomps the first gate would be more than enough.

@nick_hero22:

Okay how fast does Haku move whichin crystal ice mirrors then Mr. Kishimoto lol

Also it matters because the technique itself compasses completely around the target and if say the target is imperceivable to you(jumping from reflection to reflection) it doesn't matter if you can see there projectiles if you don't have eyes in the back of your head the byakugan which allows the wielder to see in a 360 degrees where as the sharingan only allows perception of chakra and reading of muscle tension

Also it matters that naruto was there because he was slow in the zabuza arc very slow and a cowardly hinderense without his fox chakra amps from Kurama which elimated his fear with demonic bloodlust and his sluggish movements with speed, enhanced senses, a powerful aura capable of putting his foes in a sense of fear(as seen with Haku), strength etc...

While it may be true that I have no proof of enhanced strength via chakra for Haku at the moment he still moves in travel speed whichin his technique at ridiculous speeds and constantly attacks from different angles in an instant

Lastly if you want to believe sasuke aim dodged even when he clearly never showcased any chakra perception until later on and was in an very irrational state(called anger go right ahead) I'm sure the same can be said in the real world when someone gets into a fight they clearly strategically plan out there attacks(oh wait -_-)

DS stomps by calling Batman who then precedes to bang Lee.

Seriously though, this is spite. Lee in a stomp.

1) His speed in the mirror was never quantified, but you were the one who claimed that he was moving light speed so what evidence do you have to support that claim or are you going to continue to shift the burden of proof because of your non-existent argument Mr. Kishimoto lol?

2) Doesn't matter because he has other senses outside of sight to hone in on the attack, and if he was MACH speed then that wouldn't be an issue for him correct? Even with his two tomoes, he still wasn't able to avoid being hit by senbon despite being able to perceive Haku's movements.

3) The same Naruto in his base form was tagging a Sasuke who got a speed boost during the Chunnin Exams, so if he was unable to defend himself against senbon despite being able to contend with Sasuke who had a speed boost what makes you think that Pre-Chunnin Exam Sasuke is any faster?

4) Charka perception is one of the main abilities of the sharingan in addition to precognition. When did a fictional show about ninjas with superhuman abilities and supernatural powers become applicable to the real world? I'm sorry, I didn't get that memo! If we are using the real world as our standard then we would have to throw out all of the showings in Naruto because they are contrary to our real life experiences, but this shows desperation on your part since you lack the arguments to support your position, especially when characters like Kakashi are always utilizing tactics in their fights. If he was that irrational like you claimed he was why did he even dodge the blast let alone think to save himself and his comrades, and not.......kill kill kill? So, obviously he was thinking pretty sanely in that instance, your just trying to dismiss that context because it makes your claim inaccurate.

@nick_hero22:

1.) I know it's an inconsistency considering other characters in the series speeds but it's been stated in VIZ translations that his movements are lightspeed. While using demonic crystal ice mirrors would you like scans?

2.) traveling in a technique attacking at highspeeds=\=preceiving attacks at highspeeds....Rock lee already debunked this remember "what good is it if your body can not keep up" quote and sasuke took a serious beating pre chunin exams from a weighted Rock lee, but it does not end there your completely ignoring what I told you about Sasuke's perception he can see chakra yes he can read muscle tensions yes but what good is it if he

A.) can't see 360 degrees around him(meaning Haku's ability already puts him at a huge disadvantage) and

B.) not move at the same speed he perceives his surroundings with sharingan active(imagine he perceive lightning to fall in slow mo while simultaneously seeing his own body move 10000 times slower)

3.) possibly at plot hole(sadly there are many)....what fight specifically? Are you referring to

4.) I agree to disagree

1) That was pretty hyperbole, especially when you admitted that the statement was inconsistent with what was shown.

2) He was attacking him with senbon, and not his body! The speed of the senbon aren't contingent on Haku's speed, so even though Sasuke might have trouble tagging him there is no excuse for him not being able to react to the senbon. I have already explained that he has other senses outside of sight that would help him discern the location of incoming projectiles, so point A and B don't salvage your argument either.

3) Lol.......so its a plot-hole now. I'm talking about there fight on the rooftop of the hospital where base Naruto was easily reacting to and tagging Sasuke with his Chunnin Exam speed boost and taijutsu boost.

4) The point still remains, and you haven't offered a compelling reason why it wasn't the case that he didn't time his movements with the spiking of Zaku's charka in his arms.

@nick_hero22:

1.) Agree to disagree(of course you'd state that it's the easy way out of an argument/debate sigh -_-)

2.) okay what other senses does sasuke have....I'll wait(he does not have senses in the sense that if his eyes are not facing you he'd still have insight so Idk what your referring to or what's your point your trying to sell me he's not like naruto who can sense natural energy, emotions, chakra, people in general even if there invisible etc...)

A.) My point still stands even if he isn't attacking with his body because sasuke doesn't see an assault from above or behind as well as in front of himself so he'd have no knowledge of such a senbon striking him(do I need to post the demonic crystal ice mirrors set up) its 12 surrounding 8 above in a dome shape and he moves from mirror to mirror in a flash although it should also be noted that he appears visible in every mirror as if he never left even when he hops to another

B.) Again my point still stands he can't react only see what's coming to him...so what's the point he's screwed(rock lee said it best but I guess he's a liar in your eyes)

3.) NO....it's not all of a sudden it's a plot hole sadly as I was alluding to in an earlier post Kishimoto's story is riddled with plotholes(unanswered questions/things that can potentially break the story to this very day) and vague answers(mostly fan theories)

4.) Why bother you'll believe what you want no matter what I say but just for the sake of debate my reply is simply

A.) He'd never witnessed zaku's attack beforehand he was unconscious so how would he know what to aim dodge exactly(would he assume a sound related a attack emitting from his hands just because of "chakra build up" also most aim dodgers know what it is there aim dodging like a gun/missile/laser sasuke did not know until the last second

B.) He had to carry naruto and sakura who would weigh him down as they were dead weight unconsciously on the ground behind him also making the feat not as simple as a typical aim dodgers

C.) he didn't move until the last second(until the attack was launched) alot of aim dodgers move almost as soon as the weapon is pointed at them thus avoiding any harm before anything is initiated

2) 4 other senses like a normal human being does, especially hearing. Haku's bodily speed is irrelevant because that has nothing to do with the velocity of the senbon in flight. As soon as Haku appears outside of the mirror and throws the senbon, Sasuke should be able to detect them by sound and react with his "supposedly" MACH speed, and for this reason A and B fail because Sasuke doesn't necessarily need to rely on sight to evade attacks.

3) Well since we are throwing out the plot-hole card, I claim that Sasuke's speed feats are plot-holes as well, so I guess that wraps up this thread.

4) What does having never encountering Zaku have to do with the fact that Sasuke can see the charka in his arm, regardless if he was intentionally looking or not since he had his sharingan activated, and didn't Zaku explain how his power works trying to brag to Sasuke which prompted Sasuke to break his arms? He still wouldn't need MACH speed to get them out of the way of the blast if he timed his movements appropriately. Again, Sasuke could have already had a planned route and started moving as soon as his charka spiked during the initial phase of the blast which wouldn't have require him to move faster than the blast.

@nick_hero22: Farewell Nick I don't think either side is going to convince another of something they do not want to concede ultimately so I am just going to have to agree to disagree ;)

Lee

Lee

@vintage_spiderman said:

The ultimate fanboy argument.

@sirneko: HAHAHAHAhaha

@sirneko: Also how did you deduct that I am a fan of whatever I am discussing much less a fanboy? Lol

Slade too fast for Lee

So Lee is stomping someone who survived nuclear submarine getting dropped on him and gets punched by 1000+ tonners without getting slowed down ?

Did you guys read secret bonus chapters of Naruto ? or are just talking about of your ass ?

Not to mention that Lees speed is nothing special considering the shit DS has to deal on regular basis.