Reed Richards vs. Batman - Battles

#1 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Battle takes place in the Batcave, but Reed has one week prep and Bats has none.

#2 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

reed richards

#3 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

why spidey?

#4 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Hmm...

Batman knows the terrain like the back of his hand. But Reed has a week of preparation. That's a while. As much as I love Batman, I'm going to have to go with Reed. Unless, Batman has a safety precaution just in case Plastic Man or Elongated Man or Offspring or whatever go rogue.

#5 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Batman is great, but Reed Richards just outclasses him intellectually. If Reed had a week of prep time, he could use his time machine (yes he has built a time machine) to go back in time and kill batman or sabotage all of his equiment.

#6 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Pardon ?

#7 Posted by Copy (8336 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"why spidey?"

well richards is like one of the most smartest people in the marvel u. So i'm sure he can wipe out al of batman systems in the batcave (all the security systems etc) and he'll probably figure out a way to negate all the objects in batman belt

#8 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Valkaad says:

"Batman is great, but Reed Richards just outclasses him intellectually. If Reed had a week of prep time, he could use his time machine (yes he has built a time machine) to go back in time and kill batman or sabotage all of his equiment."

Without going back in time cause that would suck :p

#9 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

even though he has a week prep time, he still has to go to the batcave for the fight. would he know everything in that cave? just cause you have prep time doesnt mean you automatically know everything about the other guy. how's he gonna find out about the batcave defenses?

#10 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"even though he has a week prep time, he still has to go to the batcave for the fight. would he know everything in that cave? just cause you have prep time doesnt mean you automatically know everything about the other guy. how's he gonna find out about the batcave defenses?"

Very good point, but he must have invented some kind of scanning device of sorts?

#11 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

iwan says:

"Apparition says:
"even though he has a week prep time, he still has to go to the batcave for the fight. would he know everything in that cave? just cause you have prep time doesnt mean you automatically know everything about the other guy. how's he gonna find out about the batcave defenses?"
Very good point, but he must have invented some kind of scanning device of sorts?"

i think he has one but doesn't batman have shielding in the batcave? or else why doesnt anyone else with scanners figure out where the batcave is and what's in it?

#12 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Reed's one would (I'd imagine) be more powerful and/or less detectable to Bats' shielding. I think the battle comes down to how much info Reed can attain.

#13 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

reed's smarter but batman's insanely paranoid so why wouldnt his shielding be better than anything reed had come up against? batman's run into a lot of advanced technology too so even though he isnt as smart, he might have some stuff that's just as advanced as anything reed has.

#14 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Good point. I don't necissarily think Reed would win by the way, I'm neuteral, I just want to hear people's opinions.

#15 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)

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#16 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)"

i'm on your side, but do you think kryptonian tech is beyond even the stuff reed comes up with on his own? ignoring what he has gotten from the kree, skrull, or whatever other aliens, just what he has come up with... cause he makes some crazy stuff. like time travel devices, that machine that lets you cross over to the negative zone...

#17 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"King of Kings says:
"Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)"
i'm on your side, but do you think kryptonian tech is beyond even the stuff reed comes up with on his own? ignoring what he has gotten from the kree, skrull, or whatever other aliens, just what he has come up with... cause he makes some crazy stuff. like time travel devices, that machine that lets you cross over to the negative zone..."

Well Kara (Supergirl) just gave Batman some device from Krypton that's supposed to keep him from dying. Does Reed have one of those lying around :P

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#18 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Apparition says:
"King of Kings says:
"Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)"
i'm on your side, but do you think kryptonian tech is beyond even the stuff reed comes up with on his own? ignoring what he has gotten from the kree, skrull, or whatever other aliens, just what he has come up with... cause he makes some crazy stuff. like time travel devices, that machine that lets you cross over to the negative zone..."
Well Kara (Supergirl) just gave Batman some device from Krypton that's supposed to keep him from dying. Does Reed have one of those lying around :P"

No.. but he can stretch his arm REALLY far :p I thought Reed would get it at the start, but I've been converted.

#19 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Apparition says:
"King of Kings says:
"Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)"
i'm on your side, but do you think kryptonian tech is beyond even the stuff reed comes up with on his own? ignoring what he has gotten from the kree, skrull, or whatever other aliens, just what he has come up with... cause he makes some crazy stuff. like time travel devices, that machine that lets you cross over to the negative zone..."
Well Kara (Supergirl) just gave Batman some device from Krypton that's supposed to keep him from dying. Does Reed have one of those lying around :P"

lol

#20 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

iwan says:

"King of Kings says:
"Apparition says:
"King of Kings says:
"Batman also has Kryptonian Tech in the Batcave. You could Reed a year, he ain't figuring that one out. I dont know who wins, it seems Batman would have something in the batbelt to take Reed down. Reed's a smarter Clayface. (in my opinion)"
i'm on your side, but do you think kryptonian tech is beyond even the stuff reed comes up with on his own? ignoring what he has gotten from the kree, skrull, or whatever other aliens, just what he has come up with... cause he makes some crazy stuff. like time travel devices, that machine that lets you cross over to the negative zone..."
Well Kara (Supergirl) just gave Batman some device from Krypton that's supposed to keep him from dying. Does Reed have one of those lying around :P"
No.. but he can stretch his arm REALLY far :p I thought Reed would get it at the start, but I've been converted."

i'm glad to help in your conversion!

#21 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Like I said, Reed gets the ultimate nullifier.

#22 Posted by iwan (572 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Most battles just end up in flaming, there were actually good opinions there. Kudos.

#23 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Why would he? If he had a weak to prep, why would he use a weapon like that on Batman?

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#24 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

kudos to you too!

oh and ec i thought galactus had the nullifier.

#25 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Reed physically has a gross advantage. Mentally, he is at a slight disadvantage unless he approaches the eradication of Batman like a scientific formula. Yes Bats is captain contingency but Reed is capable of fathoming Bats's defenses and acting accordingly. If this fight took place here on our Earth Reed would mop Batman. And I am inclined to say something similar would happen on their earths as well. Even with supposedly indecipherable Kryptonian tech.

#26 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Reed physically has a gross advantage. Mentally, he is at a slight disadvantage unless he approaches the eradication of Batman like a scientific formula. Yes Bats is captain contingency but Reed is capable of fathoming Bats's defenses and acting accordingly. If this fight took place here on our Earth Reed would mop Batman. And I am inclined to say something similar would happen on their earths as well. Even with supposedly indecipherable Kryptonian tech.

#27 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Sling Shot says:

"Reed physically has a gross advantage. Mentally, he is at a slight disadvantage unless he approaches the eradication of Batman like a scientific formula. Yes Bats is captain contingency but Reed is capable of fathoming Bats's defenses and acting accordingly. If this fight took place here on our Earth Reed would mop Batman. And I am inclined to say something similar would happen on their earths as well. Even with supposedly indecipherable Kryptonian tech. "

It takes place in the Batcave. So I guess that would be Earth no?

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#28 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Why would he? If he had a weak to prep, why would he use a weapon like that on Batman?"

Because he doesn't want to deal with him.

@App: I don't know, cause I don't read FF. That could be true but I'm not sure.

#29 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Eternal Chaos says:

"King of Kings says:
"Why would he? If he had a weak to prep, why would he use a weapon like that on Batman?"
Because he doesn't want to deal with him. @App: I don't know, cause I don't read FF. That could be true but I'm not sure."

i'm not sure either but if he had that then the fight would be over really fast

#30 Posted by Answerman (77 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

This battles staged to strangely to really make an assesement.

To many unanswered parameters like does Reed Know that Bruce is Batman?

How is the battle taking place in the Batcave, and why?

A straight up battle on neutral ground would go to Bats we all know that but this ones just plain ol funky.

I'd give it to Bats even with Reeds week of planning, Batman is the master of planning ahead for all contingencies, unless Reed has a working knowledge of all the Caves defenses, and Batmans weaponry its Bats game by a hair.

#31 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

I still say he wouldn't use it even if he did have it. It could destroy Reed just as easy as it could Batman. Hell it could jack up reality real bad. He didn't even use it on Galactus, he sure as hell ain't gonna use it on Bats.

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#32 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"Eternal Chaos says:
"King of Kings says:
"Why would he? If he had a weak to prep, why would he use a weapon like that on Batman?"
Because he doesn't want to deal with him. @App: I don't know, cause I don't read FF. That could be true but I'm not sure."
i'm not sure either but if he had that then the fight would be over really fast"

I know. I just thought I'd knock this one out quick.

@AnswerMan: No, Bat's isn't winning. He has no prep and Reed has more than enough.

#33 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Reed has created a host of crazy contraptions. He even dispensed the infinity gems to the Illuminati. He can make dooms day devices of all types. But traditionally they bend physics.

#34 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"I still say he wouldn't use it even if he did have it. It could destroy Reed just as easy as it could Batman. Hell it could jack up reality real bad. He didn't even use it on Galactus, he sure as hell ain't gonna use it on Bats."

you just reminded me, doesnt whoever uses it to wipe out someone get wiped out themselves?

#35 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"King of Kings says:
"I still say he wouldn't use it even if he did have it. It could destroy Reed just as easy as it could Batman. Hell it could jack up reality real bad. He didn't even use it on Galactus, he sure as hell ain't gonna use it on Bats."
you just reminded me, doesnt whoever uses it to wipe out someone get wiped out themselves?"

I was reading about it, and didn't see that mentioned. But it did say, Martian Manhunter just picked it up and it nearly destroyed him.

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#36 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44309 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

This definitely goes to Reed

#37 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Donnieman v5.1 says:

"This definitely goes to Reed"

Well that settles it :p

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#38 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Apparition says:
"King of Kings says:
"I still say he wouldn't use it even if he did have it. It could destroy Reed just as easy as it could Batman. Hell it could jack up reality real bad. He didn't even use it on Galactus, he sure as hell ain't gonna use it on Bats."
you just reminded me, doesnt whoever uses it to wipe out someone get wiped out themselves?"
I was reading about it, and didn't see that mentioned. But it did say, Martian Manhunter just picked it up and it nearly destroyed him."

i cant remember where i saw it and i cant find it, so nevermind!

#39 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

King of Kings says:

"Donnieman v5.1 says:
"This definitely goes to Reed"
Well that settles it :p"

lol yah thanks donnie! i can forget this thread now that that's settled!

#40 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Thanx Donnie I agree with you. And I agree with your choice not to post proof because it would be redundant.

#41 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44309 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Bows No thanks necessary

#42 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Is Bruce Wayne smarter then Reed?"

i cant imagine how he could be

#43 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"King of Kings says:
"Donnieman v5.1 says:
"This definitely goes to Reed"
Well that settles it :p"
lol yah thanks donnie! i can forget this thread now that that's settled!"

This is one of the paragraphs on its comicvine page:

The Ultimate Nullifier is capable of destroying any target the bearer directs the Nullifier at, if the bearer lacks the proper control, concentration, or power; the Nullifier will destroy the bearer as well and possibly the universe itself. While the origins of the Nullifier are largely unknown, it had been revealed that the Ultimate Nullifier is an aspect of Galactus himself. It is the only known object known to inspire fear in Galactus.

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#44 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44309 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"Colt Python says:
"Is Bruce Wayne smarter then Reed?"
i cant imagine how he could be"

He's not, you can't trust the rankings on this site

#45 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

So then can Trauma become the Ultimate Nullifier when facing Galactus?

Just joking. I hope nothing that crazy happens. Uuuuuunless they explain it that Trauma actuall switches places physically with the thing he is mimicking. Which he doesn't. So ends my ramble.

#46 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Sling Shot says:

"So then can Trauma become the Ultimate Nullifier when facing Galactus? Just joking. I hope nothing that crazy happens. Uuuuuunless they explain it that Trauma actuall switches places physically with the thing he is mimicking. Which he doesn't. So ends my ramble."

I would die if he he became the ultimate nullifier. lol

#47 Posted by Gambler (80655 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Although I respect everyone's post on here, simply saying Reed is smarter and there for he wins, ain't gonna cut it. Has Reed ever been beat by someone who isn't on his level mentally? Has Batman ever beaten someone smarter then he is? I believe the answer to both of those questions is yes.

How often does Reed have to face an opponent one on one? Isn't he the ultimate team guy? How will he do on his own? What does he learn in this week long period? No matter what he knows (like Bruce Wayne is Batman) the fight still takes place in the Batcave. So how much can Reed learn about what Batman has down there? (Really, this fight is dumb, cause if Reed took a look into Batman for a week, he wouldn't have a reason to fight him, but hey...)

The Reed I've seen in the comics wouldn't create an overly destructive weapon, he wouldn't be looking to kill Batman, but to trap him, just put him down for the capture. In the Batcave I don't see how Reed can do that. Batman has an unlimited number of gadgets, just in his belt, let alone the Cave itself.

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#48 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

i agree with you, cause that second paragraph is exactly what i was saying.

#49 Posted by Answerman (77 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

And although Reed is smarter hes not a better tactitian, not a better fighter.

As well hes not as driven, or as paranoid and prepared for every contignecy as Bats.

How many stories out there are there about Reeds plans for taking down the Marvel U getting in the hand of the Bad-Guys?

Henry Pym is more Batman like than Reed in the Marvel U, and thats only on the level of how they both can screw up...

#50 Posted by Answerman (77 posts) - 5 years, 7 months ago - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Answerman says:
"And although Reed is smarter hes not a better tactitian, not a better fighter. As well hes not as driven, or as paranoid and prepared for every contignecy as Bats. How many stories out there are there about Reeds plans for taking down the Marvel U getting in the hand of the Bad-Guys? Henry Pym is more Batman like than Reed in the Marvel U, and thats only on the level of how they both can screw up..."
How is Batman a better Tactician then a man who has been leading his own team for years and smarter then him on top of it.How does Batman even hit Reed he's all rubbery.I believe it would be able for Reed to think of a way to use his power to beat Bats rather then him finding a way to beat Reed with gadgets and combat."

Being smart doesn't mean that you know everything, or are good at everything.

Reed is his worlds smartest man.

If the issue was who was more capable of building a cross-dimensional interface, or who could build the most effective power armor the answer would be Reed.

But if you want someone to lead your team in the Marvel Universe you go to Captain America whos nowhere near as smart as Batman, hes just as good a tactitian, maybe better.

Cap is certainly more charismatic than both Reed and Bats.

Bats is by far the better tactician than Reed, who's never really been shown to be much for issuing battle formations or tactics, when was the last time you saw Reed yelling out tactical formations?

Bats was all over it in in JLA, and the Batman and the Outsiders Series...

As for hurting Reed, please.

Bats was able to destroy an Amazo drone with extremely powerful explosives and electro-shock devices.