#1 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6252 posts) - - Show Bio

Both have one week prep. You can use pre and New 52 feats.

#2 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood takes this and i dare any of you to say otherwise because if you do you are wrong

#3 Posted by robertloucksjr (1779 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager. Way better physical stats and just as skilled if not more so.

#4 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2368 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood!

#5 Edited by dondave (38585 posts) - - Show Bio

With Red Hood's ship in the New 52 he definitely wins

#6 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

Ravager. Way better physical stats and just as skilled if not more so.

Ravager may have been hit with the same serum as her father but Jason was reborn through the all caste and not only is he now at the peak of human standards he has more skill then Deathstroke could ever hand down to Rose.

#7 Posted by Fallen_Crippled (6458 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood.

#8 Posted by entropy_aegis (15456 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

Red Hood takes this and i dare any of you to say otherwise because if you do you are wrong

Wow what a brilliant argument.@202122 said:

@robertloucksjr said:

Ravager. Way better physical stats and just as skilled if not more so.

Ravager may have been hit with the same serum as her father but Jason was reborn through the all caste and not only is he now at the peak of human standards he has more skill then Deathstroke could ever hand down to Rose.

Feats? none of this saved him from getting owned by the Joker.

#9 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Death of the family?

First time no one could have stopped the car being gassed

Second time not only did Red Hood fight of the poison he then massacred Joker and was about 1 second from going to town on him until he was electrocuted by the crow bar something no one would have seen coming

Third time he then shoots a what would have been if it hadn't been someone in disguise and then gassed again nothing he could do about that

and besides it's not like Batman did any better at least Red Hood dealt some damage before ending up at the table

#10 Posted by entropy_aegis (15456 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis: Death of the family?

First time no one could have stopped the car being gassed

Second time not only did Red Hood fight of the poison he then massacred Joker and was about 1 second from going to town on him until he was electrocuted by the crow bar something no one would have seen coming

Third time he then shoots a what would have been if it hadn't been someone in disguise and then gassed again nothing he could do about that

and besides it's not like Batman did any better at least Red Hood dealt some damage before ending up at the table

End result=same and he got owned again in the finale.Regardless I see no indication of Jason being more skilled simply cause he was trained by no names,you act as if the All-caste has a history of producing elite fighters.Also prove that Jason is on peak human level physically.

Is he as strong and resilient as Bane? nope

Is he as fast as Cass and Shiva? nope

Is he as agile as Dick? nope

so how is he peak human again?

#11 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1250 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dark_Guyver said:

Red Hood!
#12 Posted by Outside_85 (9579 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager carves him up.

#13 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis: Death of the family?

First time no one could have stopped the car being gassed

Second time not only did Red Hood fight of the poison he then massacred Joker and was about 1 second from going to town on him until he was electrocuted by the crow bar something no one would have seen coming

Third time he then shoots a what would have been if it hadn't been someone in disguise and then gassed again nothing he could do about that

and besides it's not like Batman did any better at least Red Hood dealt some damage before ending up at the table

End result=same and he got owned again in the finale.Regardless I see no indication of Jason being more skilled simply cause he was trained by no names,you act as if the All-caste has a history of producing elite fighters.Also prove that Jason is on peak human level physically.

Is he as strong and resilient as Bane? nope

Is he as fast as Cass and Shiva? nope

Is he as agile as Dick? nope

so how is he peak human again?

How was he owned again in the finale he didn't even say anything in Batman #17

#14 Posted by Park (2976 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a little rusty on Ravager but with prep Jason is very dangerous so I'm leaning towards red hood. Anyone post Ravager feats?

#15 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager, the skill, the training, the precog is all too much for Jason to take...

Deathstroke #51

Rose displays her precognitive abilities for the first time, by seeing into the future.

Batgirl #64

Though inexperienced, Ravager gives Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), a worthy fight. Although Ravager ultimately loses the fight, Batgirl acknowledges that she will only get better (which she does. A lot).

Teen Titans #44

Ravager gets her rematch with Batgirl, ending with the advantage before the fight is interrupted.

Rose is given the same serum as her father, giving her the same enhanced speed, strength, reflexes, healing, etc. (Though this scan came much later, it took place here as far as in-universe chronology).

Ravager was also trained by Dick Grayson personally ...... so there is nothing Jason has over Rose in skill or physical attributes ....

Rose wins

#16 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

@Park said:

Anyone post Ravager feats?

I gotchu mane.....

#17 Posted by age_of_ultron_Prime2000 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager

#18 Posted by entropy_aegis (15456 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis: Death of the family?

First time no one could have stopped the car being gassed

Second time not only did Red Hood fight of the poison he then massacred Joker and was about 1 second from going to town on him until he was electrocuted by the crow bar something no one would have seen coming

Third time he then shoots a what would have been if it hadn't been someone in disguise and then gassed again nothing he could do about that

and besides it's not like Batman did any better at least Red Hood dealt some damage before ending up at the table

End result=same and he got owned again in the finale.Regardless I see no indication of Jason being more skilled simply cause he was trained by no names,you act as if the All-caste has a history of producing elite fighters.Also prove that Jason is on peak human level physically.

Is he as strong and resilient as Bane? nope

Is he as fast as Cass and Shiva? nope

Is he as agile as Dick? nope

so how is he peak human again?

How was he owned again in the finale he didn't even say anything in Batman #17

Joker gas.

#19 Posted by darktiger (4622 posts) - - Show Bio

@age_of_ultron_Prime2000 said:

Ravager

#20 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: You mean in Titans #16?? How is he supposed to defend against that??? and that was after busting through the window and putting 4 bullets in the fake Joker's chest.

And once again it's not like Bats did any better

#21 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

Second time not only did Red Hood fight of the poison he then massacred Joker and was about 1 second from going to town on him until he was electrocuted by the crow bar something no one would have seen coming

Funny you should say that, since his opponent in this match is a precognitive...

#22 Posted by entropy_aegis (15456 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

@entropy_aegis: You mean in Titans #16?? How is he supposed to defend against that??? and that was after busting through the window and putting 4 bullets in the fake Joker's chest.

And once again it's not like Bats did any better

Bats isn't part of the discussion and he did own Joker eventually.

#23 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I know i'm just saying it's not like the events in Death of the Family are particularly realistic

#24 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood

#25 Posted by entropy_aegis (15456 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122: True.

#26 Posted by Outside_85 (9579 posts) - - Show Bio

Curious, but for those who argue that Jason wins; how exactly does he win?

All-Caste training? I am a bit unsure how much weight that argument has because we've seen so little of it. Ducra easily floored him when they first met and Essence is a superhuman, other than that we only really have that it's very exclusive and that it's different from what Tim has.

The ship? I kinda doubt he's allowed to bring it along, and what are the chances it contains something specifically for Ravager?

#27 Posted by dondave (38585 posts) - - Show Bio

@Outside_85:The ship has essentially become his headquarters since he got it, if h has a week of prep he going to us weapons on the ship

#28 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, this isn't even close. Ravager has far better stats, equal if greater skill, and far better feats.

http://m.comicvine.com/myvine/ravager4/ravager-respect-thread/87-88188/

She has stomped an entire team of metas (Terror Titans) multiple times, has defeated the likes of Aquagirl, trucked point blank explosions to the gut, held her own against a bloodlusted static, is at least a match for Cass Cain, has precog, and with just a little bit of prep has taken down Bombshell, Wonder Girl, and Cass Cain. She wins in a random encounter and stomps with even a little prep.

#29 Posted by TerryBogard2014 (480 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager

#30 Posted by Joygirl (20063 posts) - - Show Bio

*inhales deeply* Mmmm, the Jason fanboyism is stroooong here. Oh, also, Jason gets spanked like a 6-year-old in a KMart. Ravager is superior (all that crap about Jason being peak was clearly just made up. Even if he was, Rose is meta). Rose heals and has precog, as well, and has a similar tactical mind as her father. She takes this 8/10.

#31 Posted by Outside_85 (9579 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: But what weapons are on the ship?

#32 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3928 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood

#33 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6252 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood in my opinion.

#34 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Hood.

#35 Edited by zvelf (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager.

#36 Posted by theDCkid (889 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager.

#37 Posted by TDK_1997 (14991 posts) - - Show Bio

Ravager.

#38 Posted by Tim_Drake4444 (1099 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with Ravager

#39 Edited by Leo-343 (2724 posts) - - Show Bio

Luffy stomps- Gear 2 Jet Pistol.