#1 Posted by pcbh168 (1684 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep time
Fight in a forest
Start 20 feet apart
Can win by: Death, Knockout or BFR

Red Sonja











                 Vs

Batman
#2 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman stomps.

#3 Edited by jamesisaacs (214 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Sonja:

Peak level for female without bordering into superhuman boundaries.

Weapon Master, even Conan couldn't best her.

Unarmed Combat: Red Sonja has mastered the martial arts disciplines of her era and is a deadly fighter even without any weapons. She has taken down many enemies larger than herself merely with her fists and feet

Berserker Strength

Divine Protection

"Answering Sonja's cry for revenge, the red goddess Scathach appeared to her, and offered to bestow upon her unparalleled skill in battle on the condition that she would never lie with a man unless he defeated her in fair combat"

So not only does Batman lose, he also doesn't get to pound her sweet ass unless he wins ..but he won't.

#4 Edited by saiyan_earthling (5499 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

#5 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger said:

Batman stomps.

@saiyan_earthling said:

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

Unlikely. She gave Spider-man a fight in a random encounter (she didn't win but she gave him a tussle) and fought both Scorpion and Hobgoblin and seemed to be doing pretty well. Batman wouldn't stand a chance against any of those three in a random encounter but Sonja was keeping pace. I'd say Sonja takes a majority here.

#6 Edited by WWQ7 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Sonja. She is stronger, faster and more durable.

#7 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5499 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger said:

Batman stomps.

@saiyan_earthling said:

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

Unlikely. She gave Spider-man a fight in a random encounter (she didn't win but she gave him a tussle) and fought both Scorpion and Hobgoblin and seemed to be doing pretty well. Batman wouldn't stand a chance against any of those three in a random encounter but Sonja was keeping pace. I'd say Sonja takes a majority here.

Scorpion and Hobgoblin are like nothing compared to bigger villains like Green Goblin, Venom, etc. The reason her doing well is because Spider-man was there to help her out. Batman would still be able to outsmart them.

Bruce Wayne is the better fighter, as he has fought the likes of Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, and Bronze Tiger. Maybe in the sword skills department, Red Sonja takes the blade, but that's about it.

And he's superior to Sonja physically. He is strong to the extent that even Deathstroke said that Batman hits harder than most metahumans

#8 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@saiyan_earthling: Spider-man wasn't there to help Vs Hobgoblin. He took her off field into a 1v1 situation and she held her own. This was Kingsley one of the most experienced Goblins out there (only second to Norman) the guy is a 7tonner and beat the crap out of Phil Urich IIRC. He is no push over at all.

Bruce only has a bit more knowledge on how to fight he arguably does not have the same amount of experience as Sonja who spends everyday fighting and killing. Batman is also not superior to Sonja physically. Taking on Spider-man, Conan and Hobgoblin should be enough to prove that. Not to mention he'll also have to get past Sonja's healing factor:

The only thing Bruce has her beat in is unarmed fighting skills and shes not a huge distance behind him. add in the fact she'll be using a blade it makes that advantage less overwhelming. Throw in the fact she's physically superior to Bruce in almost every aspect, there is no reason she should not take a solid majority.

#9 Posted by sandiego008 (3280 posts) - - Show Bio

Red sonja should take this.

#10 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger said:

Batman stomps.

@saiyan_earthling said:

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

Unlikely. She gave Spider-man a fight in a random encounter (she didn't win but she gave him a tussle) and fought both Scorpion and Hobgoblin and seemed to be doing pretty well. Batman wouldn't stand a chance against any of those three in a random encounter but Sonja was keeping pace. I'd say Sonja takes a majority here.

I don't think her Marvel appearances are canon nowadays,since she is currently a Dynamite character.

Anyway,even if they do,give me strength,speed,skill and durability feats of her,if you want me to take you seriously.

Well,Batman has held his own or beat superhumans that would actually beat both ex.(Artemis,Solomon Grundy,Deathstroke,Aquaman,Clayface,Cheetah and even a mind possesed Wonder Woman).

Batman is VASTLY superior in the skills departement,as of way more and better feats.

The way I see it,the only think Sonja has over Batman is a healing factor.Still,she could be knocked out.

#11 Edited by russellmania77 (15847 posts) - - Show Bio

NANANANA BATMAN

#12 Edited by Owie (3968 posts) - - Show Bio
@saiyan_earthling said:

@strider92 said:

@stronger said:

Batman stomps.

@saiyan_earthling said:

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

Unlikely. She gave Spider-man a fight in a random encounter (she didn't win but she gave him a tussle) and fought both Scorpion and Hobgoblin and seemed to be doing pretty well. Batman wouldn't stand a chance against any of those three in a random encounter but Sonja was keeping pace. I'd say Sonja takes a majority here.

Scorpion and Hobgoblin are like nothing compared to bigger villains like Green Goblin, Venom, etc. The reason her doing well is because Spider-man was there to help her out. Batman would still be able to outsmart them.

Bruce Wayne is the better fighter, as he has fought the likes of Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, and Bronze Tiger. Maybe in the sword skills department, Red Sonja takes the blade, but that's about it.

And he's superior to Sonja physically. He is strong to the extent that even Deathstroke said that Batman hits harder than most metahumans

Batman is not superior to her physically. First, he's just plain human. If he hits harder than other humans, it's due to his training. A trained martial artist knows how to make a standard punch hurt a lot more, that's all there is to it.

I think Sonja may actually be slightly in the superhuman strength/speed level to be honest. She gets her strength etc from her goddess.

I think Pete was holding back a bit in his fight against Sonja since she was possessing his wife. But still she clearly was able to handle his speed/agility/strength to a reasonable degree.

And I would agree with Strider that Hobgoblin is hardly a second-tier villain. Actually I think most of the Hobgoblins could take Norman.

This appearance was actually not a Marvel appearance, it was a crossover between Dynamite and Marvel. You can argue it's not canon due to that, but they actually referenced her previous appearances with Pete back in her previous Marvel incarnation, so I think its reasonable to assume that it is in fact part of continuity--they were chaining the Marvel/Dynamite continuities together.

I'm not altogether sure Sonja wins here due to the all-powerful Utility Belt, but I think she could win at least a 50/50 split in pure H2H. And the fact that she has a sword and he doesn't may give her that 6/10 lead in h2h.

Also, in terms of feats, Sonja defeats demons and monsters by herself all the time.

#13 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@owie said:
@saiyan_earthling said:

@strider92 said:

@stronger said:

Batman stomps.

@saiyan_earthling said:

Red Sonja get b&^%hslapped... Bruce Wayne style.

Unlikely. She gave Spider-man a fight in a random encounter (she didn't win but she gave him a tussle) and fought both Scorpion and Hobgoblin and seemed to be doing pretty well. Batman wouldn't stand a chance against any of those three in a random encounter but Sonja was keeping pace. I'd say Sonja takes a majority here.

Scorpion and Hobgoblin are like nothing compared to bigger villains like Green Goblin, Venom, etc. The reason her doing well is because Spider-man was there to help her out. Batman would still be able to outsmart them.

Bruce Wayne is the better fighter, as he has fought the likes of Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, and Bronze Tiger. Maybe in the sword skills department, Red Sonja takes the blade, but that's about it.

And he's superior to Sonja physically. He is strong to the extent that even Deathstroke said that Batman hits harder than most metahumans

Batman is not superior to her physically. First, he's just plain human. If he hits harder than other humans, it's due to his training. A trained martial artist knows how to make a standard punch hurt a lot more, that's all there is to it.

I think Sonja may actually be slightly in the superhuman strength/speed level to be honest. She gets her strength etc from her goddess.

I think Pete was holding back a bit in his fight against Sonja since she was possessing his wife. But still she clearly was able to handle his speed/agility/strength to a reasonable degree.

And I would agree with Strider that Hobgoblin is hardly a second-tier villain. Actually I think most of the Hobgoblins could take Norman.

This appearance was actually not a Marvel appearance, it was a crossover between Dynamite and Marvel. You can argue it's not canon due to that, but they actually referenced her previous appearances with Pete back in her previous Marvel incarnation, so I think its reasonable to assume that it is in fact part of continuity--they were chaining the Marvel/Dynamite continuities together.

I'm not altogether sure Sonja wins here due to the all-powerful Utility Belt, but I think she could win at least a 50/50 split in pure H2H. And the fact that she has a sword and he doesn't may give her that 6/10 lead in h2h.

Also, in terms of feats, Sonja defeats demons and monsters by herself all the time.

Any feats of her putting down a monster with her bare hands?That's how you could prove she is stronger.Even though you must prove then that the monsters she has faced are at least 1 tonners.

And even if she is,Batman has defeated beings way stronger than him again(Bane,Azrael,Artemis,Solomon Grundy etc).

Crossovers battles are non-canon due to the fact that plot is involved.With the same logic, battles in JLA/Avengers are also accounted,because of the cosmic egg.

I don't know if Sonja's monsters deserve the credit you give them.And anyway,does she defeat them with bare hands?If not,then just give Batman a sword and he will do the same.

Plus factor for Bats is his ultility belt as you said.

Still noone has given me any h2h Sonja feats.

#14 Edited by dondave (38906 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Sonja

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#15 Edited by medulaoblaganda (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: batman will win barely. it will be tough though

#16 Posted by lifeofvibe (3514 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008: @owie: @medulaoblaganda: @dondave: @jamesisaacs: well the only thing here that could take batman down is berzerker strength but even that wont take him down because of all of batmans gadgets

Sonic grenades...batarangs...explosive batarangs...tazers...flash grenades...so yeah batman stomps funny is in it? Despite all that martial traning batman isn't above playing dirty!

#17 Posted by medulaoblaganda (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

@lifeofvibe: i agree with you my friend!! batman wins any day. after all red sonja cannot really tank alot of batrangs, and shocking weapon or gas.