RED HOOD vs PUNISHER

@ senglord: Honestly I think this match be pre new 52, punisher goes up against an arrogant, no venom, and lesd disciplind jason...id lean punisher.

However since this is current versions, jason is stronger, both physically and mentally as well as a more disciplined character. While still arrogant no doubt hes gone up against stronger, better foes than punisher.

Metahumans, supergirl, the other outlaws, several thugs, cops hell even batman. While batgirl may be a natural it still doesnt hurt his feats. Plus he was trained by one of comics best h2h fighters in batman so like you said in that regard hed own frank.

In a gun fight or weapons, depends but jason has avoided numerous cops and baddies with guns, rocket launchers etc so im not so sure frank would have that edge...

Like you said jason has lots of armor and the blades.

Now lastly as for the venom, well i actually disagree on this one. Reason being for one the new 52 doesnt have everyone going 'nutty' on venom, just because it effected bane doesnt mean it'll effect jason the same way. Different person, stronger will and who knows the lazarus pits may have made jason immune to the side effects for all we know. I know thats not confirmed but just saying. That and the new 52 as you know has changed some things as oppose to pre new 52.

Had this match been made 10 years ago id side with punisher no doubt, however its now and jason has matured and gotten stronger feats, matched people whod oneshot frank and is now on venom. The fact of the matter is, frank doesn't bring much new to the table here where as jason does, enough to take punisher down.

Castle ftw

Red Hood for the win

Barring the Venom amp, Jason loses.

Why do you think the venom amp would be a decider? Punisher will win this by shooting Jason most likely, and the venom doesn't make him bullet proof.

Jason would dodge Punishers attacks, do people forget this dude was trained by Batman? lol He's not going to just stand there plus his armor is better than Punishers.

Red Hood wins if we're using current versions which yes? Stronger, faster, better H2H and has alien tech combined with his Batman training=Frank has a really bad day.

Lol red hood with his alien weapons is basically starlord right now. He would stomp Frank everyday all day.

battle 1: Jason with minimal effort

battle 2: Jason does bad things to punisher

Jason Todd wins without too much difficulty

Red Hood wins.

You can not say it is accurate because it is fan-fiction. The only "accurate" thing would be the original creator of Punisher and the original creator of Red Hood agreeing on who wins this battle.

As much I love Frank, Red hood should take this in a close fight.

Red hood with venom .......R.I.P

But Frank the better character hands down.

@comiking24: No, accurate is a good word to describe it, even though I myself never used it. You're confusing the definition of accurate with the definition of canon.

True. He's as vulnerable to headshots as anyone else.

I say Frank because I'm not too keen on Jason's feat while on Venom.

Jason Todd

I think what you meant to say is that this is a highly analyzed video for the battle. I am not confusing accurate and canon. They are 2 different meanings.

I said that the video was a perfect representation, which is just an opinion.

@comicstooge: not like he is wearing a bullet proof helm or anything

That is true.

Round 1: Punisher quiet easliy. He has better prep feats then Jason

Round 2: I would give the slight nod to Jason. Due to his enhanced physicals. But even he would be thinking "Did I win?"

Also DC is handing out upgrades like they lost a bet. Really makes reading the stuff hard.

Red hood wins in both scenarios. The Punisher's head is uncovered. Red hood wins in ten seconds by head shot

@oni_bane: i think marvel is the one handing out upgrade...i think with in an year all mutants will be at omega or alpha level.

i think marvel is the one hanging out upgrades like candy....i think with in an year they will make every x-men mutant into a omaga level mutant,then they will make silver surfer strong enough to handle galactus singlehandedly after that they will provide healing factor to every character.

@comicstooge: he does read comment 86.

It's not that bulletproof. A pistol shot from Roy damaged it pretty bad.

He takes a bullet in the eye, just like Iron Man did.

Good for you.

Frank

New 52 Jason. No contest

@nickzambuto: This is pretty much how I see it going down. Great fight, but Frank takes it.

This is the New 52 Jason? Yea Red Hood takes this,

Frank castle Stomps the hell out of the pretender frank has consistent feats of taking high leveled opponents while red hood taking on someone on superman's caliber is just dumb Frank lays waste to this chump.

Please stop bumping old JT threads just to say he gets stomped. It's stupid.

@vasu12360: Jason

could go either way

Red Hood wins.

Jason

@fallingcliffs: Punished has almost forty years dealing with metahuman opponents. He has also dropped stronger opponents than Jason.

He has also used adamantium bullets with sniper accuracy.

By stats and standard gear, Jason should win. If Frank could bring the full closet of gear that he has used in his safe houses, he would win.

@senglord:I think pre new 52 would be closer, New 52 though Red Hood has far better feats going Jason. Dude was giving Supergirl a hard time and disappeared on her, (a kryptonian mind you with super senses)even she was impressed yet had no idea how he was so strong.

Will still go Red Hood here.

If Jason could bring all of his crazy gear, I think he would have better gear too.

@the_real_seaman: True good point. Jason's gear is no joke, I mean at times has given Bats a rough time lol. I think Punisher gets killed here at the end of the day.

@the_real_seaman: adamantium bullets and sense enhancing helmets would give Punished advantages against anyone not wearing adamantium armor. There are assorted lasers and desintegrators and Kree and Skrull and Mole Men tech to draw from. I do not think it is a huge edge in regards to most gear. But adamantium fan only be stopped by other indestructible metals;which Jason does not carry.

I agree Jason takes this

Great thread but I have a few questions if any one could oblige..

1) does Jason still have the All blades?

2) is he still on Venom? Or is it something that wears off/wore off?

3) whay exactly do the all blades do?

4) how skilled is New 52 Jason?

5) what is is current powerlevel?

@supermanwithatan01:

1. Yes.

2. No.

3. They are mystical, able to be manipulated by thought to change form and shape. And they are able to take a slash from a heavily merged Supergirl swinging WW sword.

4. His consistent skill is Nightwing level. His PIS level is one shot Shiva.

5. Jason is not as naturally gifted as Grayson or Bruce. But he has emo power that makes him better than both, no bs.

@senglord: hey thanks for all the great info! The only one I'm still a bit unclear on is the all blades. Could they hurt supergirl? Are they powerful in any sense? What do you mean powered by thought?

Preciate you taking the time to help me btw

@supermanwithatan01: He makes the all blades from his mind, and as a result, they can cut through anything. There are no feats, just captions. So. Many. Captions.

Could they hurt a Kryptonian...no actual feats to support or deny.

Frank, both rounds.

@supermanwithatan01: @senglord: they could hurt a kryptonian. They cut clean through an alien on Warwold, that alien was laying the smack down on Monguls son Jochi.