#1 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Skywalker

vs

Teresa

Rules:

Luke can not use his TK on Teresa (but he can use it on the environment, such as hurling things at her;etc.)

No telepathy

No morals

They start 50 feet away

Standard equipment

Battle takes place in the Rain Forest

Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by uberhikari (2278 posts) - - Show Bio

This is spite.

#3 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari said:

This is spite.

No it's not. In terms of speed it is about even, I would give Luke the reaction advantage and I may give Teresa combat speed advantage. As far as for swordsmanship goes, they may be even when it comes to skill Luke has stalemated Vader and beat Lumiya. Teresa has beat Priscilla and 4 of the top Claymore of the organization simultaneously. Honestly it could go either way, thus why I created the thread.

#4 Posted by uberhikari (2278 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari said:

This is spite.

No it's not. In terms of speed it is about even, I would give Luke the reaction advantage and I may give Teresa combat speed advantage. As far as for swordsmanship goes, they may be even when it comes to skill Luke has stalemated Vader and beat Lumiya. Teresa has beat Priscilla and 4 of the top Claymore of the organization simultaneously. Honestly it could go either way, thus why I created the thread.

No, it is an absolute STOMP. EU Luke is at least relativistic+ with respect to combat/reaction speed. Teresa isn't even massively hypersonic. And you're seriously comparing EU Luke Skywalker to Teresa in terms of skill? Are you serious? You're overestimating Teresa and the claymores.

#5 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari:

No, it is an absolute STOMP.

No it's not and it's not even close to being one.

EU Luke is at least relativistic+ with respect to combat/reaction speed.

Wait,wait since when is Rebellion era Luke anywhere near close to relativistic speed? He is hyper sonic at best. He is nowhere near relativistic.

Teresa isn't even massively hypersonic

She does not need to be especially when Rebellion era Luke is not massively hyper-sonic himself.

And you're seriously comparing EU Luke Skywalker to Teresa in terms of skill?

Why not? Teresa is known as one of,if not the most skilled swordsman in her respective universe.

Are you serious?

As cancer.

You're overestimating Teresa and the claymores.

Really? I think you are confusing this era Luke Skywalker with a prime Luke Skywalker..... Rebellion era Luke is far far below late NR/NJO level.

#6 Edited by uberhikari (2278 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari:

No, it is an absolute STOMP.

No it's not and it's not even close to being one.

EU Luke is at least relativistic+ with respect to combat/reaction speed.

Wait,wait since when is Rebellion era Luke anywhere near close to relativistic speed? He is hyper sonic at best. He is nowhere near relativistic.

Teresa isn't even massively hypersonic

She does not need to be especially when Rebellion era Luke is not massively hyper-sonic himself.

And you're seriously comparing EU Luke Skywalker to Teresa in terms of skill?

Why not? Teresa is known as one of,if not the most skilled swordsman in her respective universe.

Are you serious?

As cancer.

You're overestimating Teresa and the claymores.

Really? I think you are confusing this era Luke Skywalker with a prime Luke Skywalker..... Rebellion era Luke is far far below late NR/NJO levels.

What rebellion era are you talking about? Darth Sidious was already at relativistic speeds during this era. And Luke in his prime was FTL with respect to reaction/combat speed. Even if he was far, far below his prime as you claim, that would still be massively hypersonic, which is low balling; FTL is millions of times faster than massively hypersonic speed. And even if we equalize speed, Claymores fight with regular swords; a lightsaber would cut through them like a hot knife through butter. And while Teresa may be one of the most skilled combatants in her verse, as far as actual skill goes, the verse isn't that impressive. Then there's the issue of telekinesis... Like I said, stomp.

#7 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari:

What rebellion era are you talking about? Darth Sidious was already at relativistic speeds during this era.

What does Palpatine have to do with Luke? In this Era Palpatine would fight to fight for Luke to see period so bring him up is a moot point.

And Luke in his prime was FTL with respect to reaction/combat speed.

Luke was never FTL not even in his prime. He was near relativistic speed.

Even if he was far, far below his prime as you claim, that would still be massively hypersonic, which is low balling; FTL is millions of times faster than massively hypersonic speed.

No he is not that best speed feat for Luke in this era is deflecting blaster bolts from a dozen shooters, that is far far far far far below massively hypersonic.

And even if we equalize speed, Claymores fight with regular swords; a lightsaber would cut through them like a hot knife through butter.

I doubt it Claymore swords are not normal swords, they have never been broken or even dented in there Universe.

Then there's the issue of telekinesis... Like I said, stomp.

Which I removed for the sake of this fight.

Like I said, stomp.

Nope.

#8 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by dboyrules2011 (11768 posts) - - Show Bio

Teresa, i'll make my case for her if this thread get more Post.

#10 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

Teresa doesn't have the feats to compare to Luke.

Also his lightsaber pretty much trumps her sword lol.

She's one of those characters I love dearly, but can never really debate with.

She either stomps or get stomps.

Oh, on another note: There was a calculation out there that put base Teresa around Mach 10 in the reaction/dexterity department.

#11 Posted by Funsiized (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf:

Oh, on another note: There was a calculation out there that put base Teresa around Mach 10 in the reaction/dexterity department.

WTF? Then what kind of speed was Miria dishing out? i can't believe that, maybe if we put her at Mach 4-6 Maybe, but 10? nonono.

#12 Edited by saiyan_earthling (5360 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I like Claymore, Luke wins.

#13 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@funsiized: It's possible she is sporting that kind of reaction. She was able to react to Irena's quicksword which IIRC was calculated at mach 7(although one could chalk that up to Yokai sensing which is basicly precognition) and she was also able to react to the Falcon Sword (IIRC which was faster then the human eye could see) That being said, although I said it's possible, I doubt it's mach 10. Though the calculation would be very interesting to see.

#14 Posted by Funsiized (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: No doubt, but yokai Sense is Precog i point you to Claires fight with the male Awakened being. and IIRC that's the reason she can use the quicksword, is because she has read Irenas Yoki and simply copied the flow, But that's just a theory.

#15 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I get some of these calcs?

#16 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

@funsiized said:

@omgomgwtfwtf:

Oh, on another note: There was a calculation out there that put base Teresa around Mach 10 in the reaction/dexterity department.

WTF? Then what kind of speed was Miria dishing out? i can't believe that, maybe if we put her at Mach 4-6 Maybe, but 10? nonono.

Well, the calculation was base off the fact that Ilena's quick sword has been gauged at Mach 8 and Teresa was capable of matching her quick sword and even stopping it.

It was also based off the feat where Priscilla and Teresa were able to clash swords and produce an audible sound wave that was breaking glass, shattering concrete and causing everyone nearby to fall down in pain.

Here is the link for the Quick Sword calculation:

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=511608

Also, I don't know if Miria is any faster than Teresa is honestly. If Miria is faster, it's probably minuscule, given that Clare's semi-awakened form is based on speed (which I think is partly due to Teresa's monster stats).

Miria has an A+ in speed, while Teresa has an A. Miria's speed includes the usage of her phantom technique which involves bursts of yoki. Teresa on the other hand, at base level, is just that quick, given that she never releases any of her yoki at all during combat.

#17 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: No doubt, but yokai Sense is Precog i point you to Claires fight with the male Awakened being. and IIRC that's the reason she can use the quicksword, is because she has read Irenas Yoki and simply copied the flow, But that's just a theory.

Clare can use the quicksword because she has Ilena's arm. Ilena already said that Clare would never be able to use it otherwise because she cannot achieve inner peace, due to feeling guilty over Teresa's death. It has also been revealed that Clare after the 7 year time skip and the boost from Rafaela has finally managed to match Ilena's speed. So for the entire time prior to that, her sword was slower than Ilena's by a considerable margin. The thing that she was capable of doing that Ilena was unable to do, was that she can control her sword movements, instead of it controlling her movements. She is capable of using her yoki reading to direct her quick sword's blow, which I don't think Ilena can do.

#18 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: I think it was stated prior to mastering the Quick Sword technique, Clare was about one third of the speed Irena was. I could be wrong though (I would have to go check and see)

#19 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: I think it was stated prior to mastering the Quick Sword technique, Clare was about one third of the speed Irena was. I could be wrong though (I would have to go check and see)

Some new spoilers have been released for Claymore 141. No scans yet, but some phrases and stuff have been leaked (supposedly). So far the spoilers say that Galatea gets hurt/killed by Europa, who is able to fool Miata by playing dead after they fight. Also, Miria's group manages to get Cassandra to help them out and they go and attack Priscilla. The spoilers also say that Riful is not actually dead, but has another form or something like that, which is more 'Dauf' like in appearance. Something to do with her upper body which was missing from her lower half?

I don't know...these spoilers are killing me. I need my new Claymore chapter now!!

#20 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (22881 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Ooh snap! It seems like Claymore is getting more and more intense by each chapter :D All these spoilers are doing is making me want it more. Hurry up with the chapter already xD

#21 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011:

I think it's so lame how Riful is still alive....

I mean I love her to death, but god, she needs to stay dead lmao.

Though I kind of knew she wasn't dead.

I mean she was smiling when she was getting chopped into pieces and was being pretty nonchalant about being killed...

I hope Cassandra doesn't get killed instantly by Priscilla....

She's like my favorite character after Teresa and Riful!

#22 Posted by Funsiized (3572 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (6857 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: i was referring to Teresa

Well you said Claire then said she, so I thought the pronoun was referring to her lol.

Grammar error on your part!!! :P

#24 Posted by Funsiized (3572 posts) - - Show Bio