RD 2: juiceboks vs boschePG ( VOTES OPEN NOW)

@juiceboks

• Fernus(5)
• Cyborg Superman (5)
• No Molecule Manipulation or Transmutation

VS

@boschepg

• Coyote Starrk 1
• Grimmjow Jaegerjaws 1
• Byakuya Kuchiki 1
• Shunsui Kyoraku 1
• Gin Ichimaru 1
• Mayuri Kurotsuchi 1
• Kisuke Urahara 1
• Retsu Unohana 1
• Bazz-B 1
• Toshiro Hitsugaya 1
• No Mental or Soul Attacks

Start 2 Miles Away from the middle.

Other Rules

• Time can be slowed to Nano Seconds, or Speed up to Light Speed. Cannot be frozen.
• Mental Powers is not restricted at all.
• Soul Powers are allowed.
• Characters must been part of a team.
• BFR is allowed.
• official start date is 11/12/14. you can start posting now but this battle will close 10 days from the 12th, on 11/22/14 (if you live over the continental date line, its still going to be 10 days)

@boschepg

Opening

Hank Henshaw is the result of a man's burning hatred of Superman meeting various forms of technology. Hank can create bodies through the use of technopathy that exhibit Kryptonian powers and more often than not exceed Superman's own physical capabilities. In addition to the uncanny ability to create pieces of tech on the fly to combat whoever he's facing, he also is in possession of 5 Qwardian rings which further amp his striking power.

Fernus is the result of Martian Manhunter's fear of fire and general inhibitions taken form. He possesses all the powers of standard J'onn, but uses them to frighteningly deadly and merciless efficiency. He's soloed the JLA on three occasions, and only lost due to Martian Manhunter himself taking over him. Needless to say, he's quite a tough cookie to put down period.

Strategy

First things first, Fernus will use his telepathy to locate your team. This shouldn't constitute as a mind attack since J'onn isn't doing anything to your team other than detecting their thoughts like a radar. Which shouldn't be a problem due to his planetary level telepathy..

..after which the duo can finish your team off a plethora of ways. And even if this isn't allowed Hank can use technopathy to turn his hand into a GPS or something. He's created things like sonic cannons and energy disruptors on the fly so I don't see why a simple GPS would be an arduous task for him. But anyway, moving on to what could be written in your team's eulogy.

Fernus can blitz and oneshot them like J'onn did to White Martians as he flew across every continent on Earth within seconds..

Hank could blitz your team with his own super speed like he did to Superman.

Fernus could phase your team's organs like J'onn did to White Martians..

..or phase them into the ground to incapacitate like he did to Superman

Hank can go to town on your team with his yellow lantern constructs that have owned Superman in a few strikes.

Or just burn them heat vision strong enough to nearly oneshot Mongul.

I could go on..but I think my point has been made. Your team of Bleach characters comes nowhere close to my duo of team busting powerhouses in damn near anything. This doesn't even take into consideration the massive durability edge Fernus and Hank have over your whole team. Between Fernus' intangibility, healing factor, shapeshifting, and Hank's own healing factor and shapeshifting, your team has no way to really harm mine. I don't see a way they can possibly lose.

@juiceboks:

I could go on..but I think my point has been made. Your team of Bleach characters comes nowhere close to my duo of team busting powerhouses in damn near anything. This doesn't even take into consideration the massive durability edge Fernus and Hank have over your whole team. Between Fernus' intangibility, healing factor, shapeshifting, and Hank's own healing factor and shapeshifting, your team has no way to really harm mine. I don't see a way they can possibly lose.

I guess I can most certainly try.

You just have to answer a quick question. Im not going to lie that your team is faster. almost FTL compared to us hypersonic/supersonic guys but I have to ask: are we under the assumption that your duo is or is not effected by spiritual pressure? especially when its the combined spiritual pressure of 7 Shinigami Captain levels and 2 Arrancar Espada level in a confined space.

I ask cuz its such a passive character design within the characters and I just wanted to get it cleared up before anything. Especially since the soul crush tends to let people even trained against it to breathe harder or be paralyzed for a moment. And since this is a high tier tournament, soul crush is not turned off in this battle

Im only asking cuz I think it would slow your guys somewhat. I dont know if they have training/defense against ones soul feeling like its being crushed thus I asked. Any defense Superman or Mongul would be considered active effect. Superman being weak to kryptonite or when Green Lantern was weak to yellow is a passive effect in which the said object works regardless of intent

Above I have linked/spoilered the examples of soul crush effects. If we can get this out of the way first, I can possibly/ hopefully mount a defense. This is a vital point cuz if Soul Crush of one Captain can stop supersonic people in their tracks to be paralyzed then Im thinking it would slow down a high tier speed unit like your dup to lower level.

Remember, Bleach has put supersonic people to crawl or paralyzation = FTL to lower level tier??? With 9 people combined with such force, could FTL to supersonic level be plausible?

@juiceboks:

still waiting for your answer but Ill continue since we are running out of time

As you know Im pitching the combined spiritual pressure of 9 souls to give my super soul crush PoV

Now to continue on that this is where Urahara comes in. You know, the super genius, ninja assasin, magic user. With his magic he has sealed Aizen, whose power level was so immense that he could negate powers on sheer presence but this worked. its magic

He also rerouted ones soul to explode, which Aizen himself said would have worked if he had not ascended to a 4th dimensional being.Ones soul to explode from inside out is pretty good oneshot kill, IMO

Since I brought up Aizen being a 4th dimensional (ascended being) did you know DCs Mr Mxyzptik is a 5th dimensional being?

Or just burn them heat vision strong enough to nearly oneshot Mongul.

But thats why I got BazB who can counter Yamamoto. You know Yamamotos, Bankai can reach 27 million degrees

Fernus could phase your team's organs like J'onn did to White Martians..

Do you know of Mayuri? He is full of artificial body parts. He even has backup brains.

I may be going somewhat off track here but Mayuri has shown himself to be a poison expert. All Im saying is if this guy, who is not even supersonic

can get to this guy and the JLA

to make him look like this

and make him do this

than I think Mayuri I think Mayuri has a shot of effecting something based on his feats

Gallery

and of course I have a healer in Unohana, who is also a good magic user

He's soloed the JLA on three occasions, and only lost due to Martian Manhunter himself taking over him.

This is incorrect or part right. WHen he first appeared he didnt solo Plastic Man, who wasnt even himself cuz he was scattered for a thousand years due to the past battle with Atlantis to free Aquaman. Plastic Man countered Fernus and Plastic Man convinced J'onn

Gallery

and of course I could always can BFR with magic

@boschepg: bump

@juiceboks: open for votes now. give shout outs if you want

@hatemalingsia:

did you really vote for someone or you just wanted to drop a funny?

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@boschepg: Tag me again if I don't vote by tonight.

lol you kind of have to vote for Bosche here... he was waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting... the funny thing is juiceboks probably could have won this... such a shame... Bosche gets the vote

pretty much this. gotta give my vote to @boschepg for putting up more of an argument. Otherwise it would've been the other way around. Fernus and Henshaw? eeeeek.

@boschepg: Was the debate stopped short?

I have to jump on this train right here. I would have loved to see how a full debate on this one. You got two grade A debaters in this one, would have been a fun one to read.

I'll have to go with Bosche due to a lack of a response

@boschepg: has my vote

@boschepg: For reasons stated.