Raziel vs The Doctor

Raziel:

vs

The Doctor

Location: The Hylden Gate

This is a random encounter and they have no knowledge of each other.

No Tardis for Doctor, No Purified Soul Reaver for Raziel, only Material.

Morals are off

Begin.

And Before you say The Doctor goes back in time and kills Raziel.

Doctor.............

@hudyman:

Meh...Doctor really can't kill him. Between them powerwise Doctor wins, but if he manages to banish him to the Spectral Realm(The Relam of the Dead), Raziel can corpse possess him or just keep coming back.

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

Meh...Doctor Really can't kill him. Between them powerwise Doctor wins, but if the defeats Raziel, Raziel can corpse possess him.

lol you serious? Nothing can Possess The Doctor, His mind is too freaking strong . Thats technically like saying that someone could make batman cry. Could you tell me what weaknesses Raziel has?

@hudyman:

Raziel can't be killed by Physical means, the only weapon can be his downfall and thats the Soul Reaver, but even their he exsists in that Reaver, still alive but destroyed Physically.

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

Raziel can't be killed by Physical means, the only weapon can be his downfall and thats the Soul Reaver, but even their he exsists in that Reaver, still alive but destroyed.

Give the tardis time to scan him then A new soul Reaver could probably be made

@hudyman:

It something that exsist that shouldn't exsist but does, but I see your logic in it.

I would not doubt it, but who knows if it would act as a physical leech to The Doctor he grabs a hold of the Blade.

here is something for The Reaver

This might not be in the battle, but if the doctor wanted he could just absorb the time vortex and become godlike.

@ComocYahweh said:

This might not be in the battle, but if the doctor wanted he could just absorb the time vortex and become godlike.

100% Accurate But i think normal doctor would be able to own raziel

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

It something that exsist that shouldn't exsist but does, but I see your logic in it.

I would not doubt it, but who knows if it would act as a physical leech to The Doctor he grabs a hold of the Blade.

here is something for The Reaver

If it exists then the Doctor can find it. i Can assure you that

@hudyman:

I have no doubt he can, but it would come down to a swordfight.

@ComocYahweh:

I am going to hit myself for using this site as a link but:

http://www.obdwiki.com/character-profile-raziel/

the Doctor destroys his physical body Raziel, their is no doubt about that, but the Spectral Realm is another story.

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

I have no doubt he can, but it would come down to a swordfight.

@ComocYahweh:

I am going to hit myself for using this site as a link but:

http://www.obdwiki.com/character-profile-raziel/

the Doctor destroys his physical body Raziel, their is no doubt about that, but the Spectral Realm is another story.

Have you even watched Dr who? Spectral realm would be nothing he hasn't dealt with before, The Doctor has pressed the restart button of the universe.

@ComocYahweh:

Actually as I said:

they have no knowledge of each other.

And yes i have seen the show...not impressive. And as the Video I posted, even with the Tardis going back in time and killing Raziel's human shell, he still exsisted.

The Doctor with incredible ease.

He absorbs magic, reality warping...etc

@Journal:

Have seen it...but can he survive his soul getting ripped out?

@Jodokon said:

@Journal:

Have seen it...but can he survive his soul getting ripped out?

Yes.

@Journal:

Well it is shown a purified Soul Reaver not only rips souls but destroy bodies to(Aka Insta kill)

Raziel cannot be killed. Don't know much about the doctor, so I'm not sure what prevents Raziel from lobbing his head off and eating his soul in a random encounter.

The Doctor tosses him in a black hole.

@Jodokon said:

This is a random encounter and they have no knowledge of each other

The Doctor and Raziel are given five minutes of prep, Raziel has his purified Soul Reaver

Morals are off

Begin.

So which is it?

@Strider92: I can delete the Prep.

Sorry was going for Random Encounter because some people will believe the Doctor can kill anyone even in a random encounter.

@hudyman said:

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

Meh...Doctor Really can't kill him. Between them powerwise Doctor wins, but if the defeats Raziel, Raziel can corpse possess him.

lol you serious? Nothing can Possess The Doctor, His mind is too freaking strong . Thats technically like saying that someone could make batman cry. Could you tell me what weaknesses Raziel has?

Didn't the Midnight Entity technically possess the Doctor in a way?

@Jodokon: Does the Doctor have access to his Standard Gear (Sonic screwdriver, TARDIS etc...)?

@Strider92:

the Doctor doesn't have access to his Tardis.

@hudyman said:

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

Meh...Doctor Really can't kill him. Between them powerwise Doctor wins, but if the defeats Raziel, Raziel can corpse possess him.

lol you serious? Nothing can Possess The Doctor, His mind is too freaking strong . Thats technically like saying that someone could make batman cry. Could you tell me what weaknesses Raziel has?

Have you seen the Midnight episode of Doctor Who? Doctor can be possessed.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Jodokon: In that case the Doctor loses.

If the Doctor had access to the TARDIS he wouldn't need to go back in time to kill Raziel. With morals off there's some screwed up things he can do with the TARDIS without using time travel.

Doctor still has access to the TARDIS, and I am not sure if Raziel can hurt him while he's in the TARDIS, however, the Doctor could very well banish Raziel somewhere couldn't he? Trap him in a white dwarf, throw him into a mirror, put him in permanent stasis? He did all 3 of those things in the family of blood episodes...

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

The Doctor without the TARDIS is in deep trouble here.

@Floopay:

It says in one site the Reaver is intangable and ignores Durability(highly doubt it though and thats pushing The Reavers capabilities to far).

@Floopay said:

@hudyman said:

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

Meh...Doctor Really can't kill him. Between them powerwise Doctor wins, but if the defeats Raziel, Raziel can corpse possess him.

lol you serious? Nothing can Possess The Doctor, His mind is too freaking strong . Thats technically like saying that someone could make batman cry. Could you tell me what weaknesses Raziel has?

Have you seen the Midnight episode of Doctor Who? Doctor can be possessed.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Lol yes i have. But the midnight episode is a whole different story. The entity that possessed him was something he has never encountered.But if this is something the doctor knows. He can fight it. Think of it this way. When you fight a boss in a game the first time. You will get destroyed by the boss. But when you fight him a second time round, The boss will seem like a weak peice of apple pie.

The Doctor can use a time gun to just erase Raziel from ever existing. Without creating a paradox.

Thank for reading,

Floopay

couldnt resist

@hudyman said:

The Doctor can use a time gun to just erase Raziel from ever existing. Without creating a paradox.

Thank for reading,

Floopay

couldnt resist

He could go ahead and create a paradox. Morals off Doctor is pretty much the Master, and he created a paradox engine out of the TARDIS.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay:

But isn't Raziel techincally non exsistent?

@Jodokon said:

@Floopay:

But isn't Raziel techincally non exsistent?

The Doctor trapped the Daleks and the Time Lords in a moment in time or whatever (been awhile since I've watched the show, so give me a break), I don't see what's stopping him from doing that to Raziel.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay:

Devouring his own soul and being immune to fate?

Doesn't mean he can't be manipulated though.

@Jodokon: What floopay meant was that the doctor can timelock Raziel. It should work as long as the tardis has scanned raziel.

Thanks for reading

Hudy...........

@hudyman:

I know, but he can be intangible. The big question is if he can be scanned even if he is intangible.

Burning in the Lake of the Dead for a thousand years.

2:34-2:52

He's been through it.

I don't doubt the Doctor can do it easily, but Raziel has been through it.

@Jodokon: Lol Thats pretty cool, And im sure the doctor would say so himself. Then he would proceed to wipe raziel out of existence. Remember The Doctor knows more about Raziel than Raziel knows about himself. Infact the doctor himself could become Raziel, By using the chameleon Arch

@hudyman:

How can you make some one wipe someone from exsistence when he technically doesn't even exsist?

And Raziel is immune to fate, wiping him out from exsistence is a fate unless he accepts it.

An example is he ripped out his former master's heart, while the Reaver, the only bane of his existence was absorbing him.

7:32-8:10: The bane of his exsistence was abosorbing his soul and he still ripped out his heart and kicked him into a pocket dimension(The Demonic Realm).

He is outside the Wheel of Fate and Destiny, in other words...he is non exsistent to those who know him, unless like I said he accepts.

The only one that could know who the Doctor just by looking at him is Moebius and he has Omniscience, Kain and Raziel were the only ones who seem to be outside of it and even Moebius was surprised Kain was alive at when he arrived.

Right at the beginning of this video even Kain recognizes it and Raziel accepts his fate.

And the answer to statement about the Doctor knowing Raziel, which would he know? The Redeemer or The Destroyer? The Pawn or the The Messiah? One is true, but which would the Doctor know?

If Morals were on, The Doctor would try to recruit Raziel.

@Jodokon: Hmm This Raziel Guy seems impossible to get rid off. I guess it would probably be a stalemate

@hudyman:

That's what I am thinking to...Stalemate.

But you did good stating your facts:)

@Jodokon said:

@hudyman:

That's what I am thinking to...Stalemate.

But you did good stating your facts:)

who would win though in a fight. Raziel vs Prince of persia

@hudyman:

It would make an interesting topic their

@Jodokon: true

Both are extremely phenomenal and astounding characters, I always wanted and still want to see these two crossover, this is a hard one. I think the Doctor could figure out a way to remove or existence wipe Raziel even without the Tardis, he could still use the Sonic Screwdriver to analyze Raziel in order to make plans to prepare and instrumentally orchestrate countermeasures but it wouldn`t be easy considering Raziel can return via the Spectral Realm and he has telekinetic as well as soul absorption abilities. The Doctor is a character or one of those characters who I think even without prep could prepare himself although in a random case scenario he always finds out ways to defeating opponents who are far above him but not too much for his own understanding. One thing is for certain, these are two characters you wouldn`t want to mess with.