#1 Edited by Shahdee (16 posts) - - Show Bio


I just re-read Uncanny X-Men/Teen Titans crossover. Phoenix said that Raven is tainted by an evil that rivals her own power. If Raven takes her powers to the maximum, who do u think will win? Raven or Phoenix? Tie?
#2 Posted by pixelized (49086 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/the-phoenix-vs-raven/16436/?page=last#reply_form

#3 Posted by roguemarvel (40 posts) - - Show Bio

raven
#4 Posted by NYStreets09e (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix

#5 Posted by Roddy010 (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on feats Phoenix will overpower Raven...

#6 Posted by BlueComet (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven, just barely

#7 Posted by YoungJustice (7289 posts) - - Show Bio

The Girl who can solo the whole DCU wins.

#8 Posted by BlueComet (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Neither one of them can do that

#9 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Yeah, Raven has never solo'd the DCU.

#10 Posted by YoungJustice (7289 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven can. I can make a valid debate that she could defeat them. In under a day.

#11 Edited by BlueComet (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: Shoot,

by which i mean i want to hear it.

#12 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Raven can. I can make a valid debate that she could defeat them. In under a day.

The featless Raven can not solo the DC universe. I can promise you that.

#13 Posted by YoungJustice (7289 posts) - - Show Bio

I will create a thread tommorow.

#14 Posted by BlackDove (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix. The feats and history of the Phoenix prove to be more impressive than Raven's, for example her planet absorbing feats.

#15 Posted by BlueComet (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

I will create a thread tommorow.

Cool, I'm looking forward to it. I don't know a whole lot about Raven outside of the Teen Titans cartoon so I'm interested to see it.

#16 Posted by magnetor (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix is omnipotent, isnt she?

#17 Posted by joewell (10248 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: SEND ME A PM W/ THE LINK

#18 Edited by TheGraySon (462 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW said:

@YoungJustice said:

Raven can. I can make a valid debate that she could defeat them. In under a day.

The featless Raven can not solo the DC universe. I can promise you that.

^

What is she gonna do? Soul self 3 people then pass out?

#19 Posted by njones5 (364 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix with ease.

#20 Edited by Stryzzar (156 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven could only win if she's in her Trigon empowered state, otherwise Phoenix takes this.

#21 Posted by MaZeRaIII (2328 posts) - - Show Bio

@stryzzar said:

Raven could only win if she's in her Trigon empowered state, otherwise Phoenix takes this.

Phoenix would still defeat her no matter the conditions even in Trigon state.

#22 Posted by heatblaze123 (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

I will create a thread tommorow.

Can you link it?

Online
#23 Edited by Stryzzar (156 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii: At her full potential she would win, but she almost always holds back because her power is too destructive. Phoenix isn't invincible and has lost fights before.

#24 Posted by njones5 (364 posts) - - Show Bio

@stryzzar: No. Phoenix always holds back and no she hasn't lost a fight. She lost against xorn after the Phoenix Force limited her power. She was easily able to deal with Galactus so you think raven can beat galactus? Galactus at 1% beats supes.

#25 Posted by Incursion (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix

#26 Edited by Stryzzar (156 posts) - - Show Bio

@njones5: Yes I know she has quite a few very impressive, even godly feats. But she is not invulnerable, she has died a few times.

My point about the holding back thing is, if she fights at a full potential she could destroy the world with ease. Unless this is morals off she would never resort to that much power. She was trained specifically to hold back her power to prevent too much collateral damage.

Also, I said regular Raven wouldn't stand a chance against Phoenix. But Trigon empowered Raven is a whole different story. Trigon would have the power to challenge Galactus.

@njones5 said:

Galactus at 1% beats supes.

That's a whole different battle which will draw a long line of arguments. Let's leave that out for now.