Raven(Teen Titans) vs Dr Fate(YJ)

In this battle, the daughter of Trigon faces off against Earth's Scorcery Supreme, Dr Fate…who wins?

Round 1

• Both are in character
• Win by KO
• Random Encounter
• Start 10 metres apart
• Random Encounter

Round 2

• Bloodlust on
• Both have prep
• Win by death

Round 3

• Raven is white

Raven both rounds IIRC that fate's best feats were holding back a tsunami and fighting Klarion those two aren't enough to put him above Raven imo

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Fate wins after a slaughterfest. He is Lord of chaos, the most powerful magic users in the universe. Gregg even stated that no one except of clarion can match him. Fate laughs off raven's baby magic

What feats does Raven have in particular that puts her above the Dr?

Fate was almost nigh omnipotent also white Raven is kind of feat less.

Well Round 3 Raven fought and won against Trigon and in general she has fought larger threats than that Dr Fate

@uchiha454: he also saved the Earth from War World canons.

Raven gets raped a second time. Though White Raven might win round 3

@gxrevolution96: Who's wearing the helmet?

I think it was White Raven that defeated Trigon, so It is not a feat that can be used in rounds 1-2/. I haven't seen TT in a while; what bigger foes did she go up against?

Yeah but to me he didn't have enough showings and comic fate would have never been controlled by savage or brought down by Zatana and company

@arcus said:

Ah, yes! I hadn't considered that. Zataro. Though his feats as Zatanna, Wally and Aqualad would logically apply since Zataro was the strongest magic user among them.

@gxrevolution96: Yea I saw and edited and the hive, dr light, a trigon amped slade, and malchoir

Fate

Raven for the solid majority. She had more showings and was powerful. Fate got owned Wotan, who was fodder lol. Raven takes this

Prolly Raven all rounds due to having more actual fights. Fate did good against a lord of chaos, but he doesn't really have any feats outside that.

@starlord4509: that was when the Earth & mask got split in two which caused it to weaken.

@starlord4509: what do you mean Wotan was fodder? The guy solo'ed the entire team

I wouldn't call Raven's abilities "baby magic". Since it's been potent enough to take on some pretty powerful foes.

I am referring to the fight in "Revelations"

The team was weak in Season 1 and had not learned to use their powers properly. Miss Martian had raw power but she couldn't control it because of her emotions. Not to mention, her shape shifting powers were not fully developed and she could not phase. She would probably mindrape everyone unintentionally. "Bereft". Wally was seriously nerfed, to the point were she was getting a humiliated by Impulse, and always getting tagged. Even by people like Chesire and Sportsmaster. he also tripped a lot. Superboy was always charging in without thinking, which is why he got owned most of time. Bruce had to help train Dick because he was always unfocused. This is shown in the episode where they play basketball. Artemis was too inexperienced and panicked whenever they were in dangerous situations e.g when the Reds attack the cave. Kaldur tends to lose forcus in fights because he thinks of Tula and atlantis. He was the reason why Clayface kicked their butts.

Wotan soling season 1 team is not really that impressive. Season 2 is a different story though

Didn't Fate produce magical shields larger than continents?

@roddy

Malciore was giving her an amp

When she tried to use powerful spells, she couldnt control it and nearly cost a little girl her lifr

She was being overpowered by Malciore. She had to seal him up with that special spell

Raven was mostly suing her telekinetic powers, not her magic.

Fate easily deflected a planet busting attack.

@starlord4509:

First, the examples you're citing didn't always apply, at all, but that's a discussion for another time. Nothing there makes Wotan fodder.

Yep. The missiles did nothing to his shields. The same missiles that were one shotting Reach ships with ease

@starlord4509: oh I forgot about that but wasn't that Aqualad using the helmet at the time?

@gxrevolution96: Massively depends on who is wearing the Helmet. If it's Zatara Fate wins all rounds.

@egwgrvebf: all of her powers are magic

Fate should win all rounds

raven stomps round 2 since she is more powerful when bloodlusted. she turns into the 4 eyed version and taps into her demon potential.

Any reasons?

@egwgrvebf: Didn't get a notification for this so sorry for the late reply.

Malciore was giving her an amp

How did he do this when he was in trapped inside a book for 80% of the episode? Malchior didn't give her an amp or an upgrade. Raven always had access to those abilities but hadn't tap into that potential with her magic. All Mal did was taught her spells from books she already had anyway.

When she tried to use powerful spells, she couldnt control it and nearly cost a little girl her lifr

When she tried to use Dark Magic that once she couldn't stop it, but there are other examples of her using powerful spells while being in control. Besides there are no civilians present in this scenario to get in the way if she does decide to go that route.

She was being overpowered by Malciore. She had to seal him up with that special spell

Lol did you even watch their fight. Raven had Mal on the defense the entire fight until he grabbed her. She even showed that she can utilize a shield if she needs to. The mere fact that she knew how to trap a powerful wizard like Mal is evident that she will give Fate a decent fight.

Raven was mostly suing her telekinetic powers, not her magic.

All her powers are magic in nature.

Fate easily deflected a planet busting attack.

Raven beat a planet buster,Trigon.

Round 1: No idea what Fate can/can't do.

Round 2: A moralless TK'er vs a guy with a helmet on... all it takes is for her to twist it.

Round 3: Actually she is gray.