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#1  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
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An unpopulated gym. Lights are on.

RULES

  • Random encounter. Begin 10 feet apart.
  • Rama has a knife, nightstick and SWAT armor, Mad Dog is unarmed.
  • Batman has his standard armor, no additional weapons. James Bond is unarmed.
  • Standard elimination rules apply.

Who are Rama & Mad Dog?

*spoilers if you haven't seen The Raid*

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BUMP. I shall not let this thread sink in the depths of the Battle forum. Again, can't put a detailed explanation via iPad so remind me tomorrow. :/

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Also I have a question. Rama could have killed those guys at numerous moments. Why didn't he do so? He also had remorse for the guy in the red he killed at the door. What morals does he have?

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#4  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: It seemed to be a "kill or be killed" mentality. It seemed like he had no intention of killing anyone when the mission began, but it was clear it would be required when the operation fell apart and they were massively outnumbered.

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#5  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

Batman and Bond.

I have a real hard time seeing a 120lbs man (EDITED with my apologies) kicking Batman's ass - kung fu notwithstanding.

As cool and slick as his moves look, size does matter folks. It just does.

Rama and Bond would be interesting (giving it to Bond), but Mad Dog is just too damn tiny for me to give him a majority over movie Bruce (despite the grief he gave slightly larger opponents in the movie).

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That's what I thought. Watching YouTube clips of the film and loving it!!! But yeah I think the armor on Bats is going to be hard to deal with. Bond is skilled to take on Rama but not sure about Mad Dog. I think Batman could pull off a win via durable armor, although his skill is not as good as either on Team 1.

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Umm... K4tz... We got a spammer...

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#8  Edited By Deranged Midget

Seems like I'll be the first to change it up.

Bond isn't the worst combatant here, he's just the slowest. Rama will dance around him and that will give him a sound advantage.

As for Bruce and Mad Dog, the skill level is roughly the same but as with the first fight, I still have to give the advantage to Mad Dog simply because of sheer speed and agility. The only problem is that Bruce's armour will be able to withstand the majority of the hits here and his fighting style makes for fantastic counters. That being said, I'd say Bruce could take the majority over MD and then he shouldn't have a problem taking out Rama.

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#9  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Deranged Midget:

Bond isn't the worst combatant here, he's just the slowest. Rama will dance around him and that will give him a sound advantage.

If he decides to implement those weapons (knife & baton), Bond is in serious trouble.

Also, I made this in a gym so they can use an assortment of weapons on the fly (free-weights, barbells, etc). I figured Bond might be at a disadvantage, so I wanted to open up that possibility.

How do you think it'll go down if they switch opponents? Rama v Batman & MD v Bond?

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#10  Edited By Rumble Man

@k4tzm4n:

TEAM ONE

they got ground game

Batman's armor is shown to be weak against knives (case in point talia & joker)

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#11  Edited By texasdeathmatch

Team 1, I'd say. As mentioned before, Mad Dog displayed signs of superhuman durability, haha.

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#12  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Umm... K4tz... We got a spammer...

Who you calling a spammer son?

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#13  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@Super_SoldierXII said:

I have a real hard time seeing a 120lbs asian kicking Batman's ass - kung fu notwithstanding.


Because being Asian makes the difference : /
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#14  Edited By Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n: Well Bond(Craig) is known to use environmental aspects to his advantage so it might work out in his favour if he decides to go that far against Rama.

In pure hand to hand, I still say that Bruce would take a majority over MD simply because of the advantage his armour grants him. If you gave MD the option to utilize a weapon, perhaps a blunt object, it might change the outcome but perhaps too much in the favour of MD.

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#15  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Umm... K4tz... We got a spammer...

Who you calling a spammer son?

The post was deleted. Someone else was spamming threads.

But what about Rama vs Bruce? Mad Dog vs Bond would be a joy to watch.

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#16  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

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@Super_SoldierXII said:

I have a real hard time seeing a 120lbs asian kicking Batman's ass - kung fu notwithstanding.

Because being Asian makes the difference : /

That's not what I said.

And yes, when it comes to physical size, on average, Asian does make the difference. It's statistical, not racist.

Asian men tend to be smaller in stature than Caucasian. And African American men, on average, are larger than the latter two. I lived in Japan for 6 years ... I'm 5' 10", 200lbs and I was significantly bigger than 90% of all Japanese men I befriended. Whereas in North America, I'm barely above average.

Seriously, no need to be overly sensitive and read racism into that comment. I think it's pretty obvious what was meant. But I apologize if the comment somehow offended. I guess I could have just left it at 120lbs soaking wet.

@k4tzm4n said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Umm... K4tz... We got a spammer...

Who you calling a spammer son?

The post was deleted. Someone else was spamming threads.

But what about Rama vs Bruce? Mad Dog vs Bond would be a joy to watch.

I think Mad Dog might be too much for Bond, Bond slightly more capable than Rama, and Batman too much for either or. So Batman tilts team two into favor. But that's just me.

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#17  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Super_SoldierXII: Out of curiosity, why do you think Mad Dog can best Bond, but Bond can best Rama? Personally, I think Rama's technique and speed - in combination with his weapons - will make him quite a factor in this battle. I think Batman's biggest attribute here is his armor. Aside from that, I can't say I was ever especially impressed with his abilities (in comparison, of course).

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@k4tzm4n said:

@Super_SoldierXII: Out of curiosity, why do you think Mad Dog can best Bond, but Bond can best Rama? Personally, I think Rama's technique and speed - in combination with his weapons - will make him quite a factor in this battle. I think Batman's biggest attribute here is his armor. Aside from that, I can't say I was ever especially impressed with his abilities (in comparison, of course).

Now that I think about it, Rama/Mad Dog can just stab Batman in his mouth area.

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#19  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Or anywhere, really. His armor never really held up well against knives (i.e. Talia).

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#20  Edited By TERMINATORXX

batman and james have my vote... I've always wondered how Bruce wayne and James bond would do if they worked together...would be interesting.

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#21  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@Super_SoldierXII: Not overly sensitive, just didn't think it was necessary, especially if you're already stated the weight. 120 is 120. You wouldn't call Anderson Silva a 185 lb black man, you would just say a 185 lb man. I just don't appreciate "Asian" being synonymous with being small, despite the fact you lived in Japan.
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#22  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@k4tzm4n said:

@Super_SoldierXII: Out of curiosity, why do you think Mad Dog can best Bond, but Bond can best Rama? Personally, I think Rama's technique and speed - in combination with his weapons - will make him quite a factor in this battle. I think Batman's biggest attribute here is his armor. Aside from that, I can't say I was ever especially impressed with his abilities (in comparison, of course).

Alone, Rama would have clearly lost to Mad Dog IMHO. He's the inferior fighter as demonstrated in their two on one battle. Bond's done well hand to hand against 'gimmicky' martial artists in past films, though I don't remember seeing him handle two good to great martial artists at the same time as Mad Dog (almost) did.

Batman wasn't impressive overall because, let's face it, we all had extremely high expectations. He did, nonetheless, have some pretty amazing, I daresay even superhuman, feats. Ra's and Bane are both more impressive cinematic antagonists than either Rama or Mad Dog ... when a haymaker punches a hole in a concrete wall, and when Batman soaks numerous of those blows, I think Mad Dog and / or Rama will find themselves lacking the 'umph' to put him down before they get put down.

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#23  Edited By Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Or anywhere, really. His armor never really held up well against knives (i.e. Talia).

This is true, but I thought you listed in the OP that Bruce and MD are unarmed for the bout.

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#24  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

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@Super_SoldierXII: Not overly sensitive, just didn't think it was necessary, especially if you're already stated the weight. 120 is 120. You wouldn't call Anderson Silva a 185 lb black man, you would just say a 185 lb man. I just don't appreciate "Asian" being synonymous with being small, despite the fact you lived in Japan.

No.

I would call Anderson Silva a 185lbs Brazilian. Because that's what he is.

I never said Asian was synonymous with 'small'. You inferring that is what I did is, indeed, being overly sensitive. I referred to him as a 120lbs Asian man because that's what he is. Again, I said no racist slur was intended and agreed I could have dropped the "Asian" synonym. My bad.

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#25  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Super_SoldierXII:

Alone, Rama would have clearly lost to Mad Dog IMHO.

Absolutely true. However, part of me wonders if endurance played any role at that point. I know the film isn't exactly laced with realism, but Rama has been through an incredible ordeal before facing Mad Dog, where-as Mad Dog only had his fight with Jaka (albeit an awesome fight). Furthermore, Rama was unarmed in that battle. Now, Rama is sporting that combat knife and nightstick. I figured it would be mandatory to help compensate for Wayne's armor and Bond's raw power.

Bond's done well hand to hand against 'gimmicky' martial artists in past films, though I don't remember seeing him handle two good to great martial artists at the same time as Mad Dog (almost) did.

I won't lie - I haven't watched Casino Royale in quite some time and unfortunately I didn't like QoS. I was hoping to find an action sequence or two on Youtube to refresh my memory, but I had no such luck. Based on what I do remember, I'd say he's likely the "brick" of this battle. Disputably the slowest and least skilled, but quite a force if he can connect and might thrive in this environment.

Ra's and Bane are both more impressive cinematic antagonists than either Rama or Mad Dog

Physically speaking, yes. In terms of skill, I can't say we're in agreement.

... when a haymaker punches a hole in a concrete wallBatman takes a combo like it's nothing and when Batman soaks numerous of those blows, I think Mad Dog and / or Rama will find themselves lacking the 'umph' to put him down before they get put down.

I think this holds true for Mad Dog, but not Rama. We've seen at least twice now his armor doesn't hold up well to stabbing damage, and that's something we've seen Rama frequently deploy. While I concur Mad Dog will have a difficult time dropping Wayne (if at all), I think his speed, pain tolerance and skill means he's more than capable of giving Wayne a tough time and keeping him occupied.

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@k4tzm4n: Oh yeah that's true.

In that case Rama and Mad Dog should win this in a good fight.

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#27  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@Super_SoldierXII: check your pm
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#28  Edited By Erik

I think the armor is enjoying a little hype. It does not make Batman immune from blunt strikes, it just mitigates the damage. And as far as knives go... well we already saw that as long as you are not stabbing the kevlar plates, knives go right through that armor.

This is a speed vs power thread and speed usually goes a long way in beating power. I do think that if Team Power can catch Team Speed, they can win but those guys are damn fast. I think Batman could probably do better without the armor in all honesty. He knows how to take a hit and he is supposed to be pretty fast himself without carrying 50lbs around at all times.

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#29  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Deranged Midget said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Or anywhere, really. His armor never really held up well against knives (i.e. Talia).

This is true, but I thought you listed in the OP that Bruce and MD are unarmed for the bout.

Yup, Bruce, Mad Dog and Bond are unarmed. Rama, however, has his combat knife and nightstick ;)

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#30  Edited By Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n: And that's exactly why I still say that Bruce would garner the advantage over MD because of his armour. Poor Bond...

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#31  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Deranged Midget: Understandable.

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#32  Edited By Super_SoldierXII

@k4tzm4n: Well, all I have to say, is anyone who can take a few shots to the family jewels like Bond did without breaking down and crying like a girl, gets my vote.

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#33  Edited By Deranged Midget

@Erik said:

I think the armor is enjoying a little hype. It does not make Batman immune from blunt strikes, it just mitigates the damage. And as far as knives go... well we already say that as long as you are not stabbing the kevlar plates, knives go right through that armor.

This is a speed vs power thread and speed usually goes a long way in beating power. I do think that if Team Power can catch Team Speed, they can win but those guys are damn fast. I think Batman could probably do better without the armor in all honesty. He knows how to take a hit and he is supposed to be pretty fast himself without carrying 50lbs around at all times.

Honestly, it would come down to who you pit against who. Mad Dog isn't allowed to use weapons and neither is Bruce so it makes sense to pit them against each other. Bond is known to utilize his environment so he'd have a better chance against Rama.

As for Mad Dog, I doubt he'll be inflicting greater damage than either Ra's or Bane did against Bruce as he's smaller and weaker than either.

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#34  Edited By Erik

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik said:

I think the armor is enjoying a little hype. It does not make Batman immune from blunt strikes, it just mitigates the damage. And as far as knives go... well we already say that as long as you are not stabbing the kevlar plates, knives go right through that armor.

This is a speed vs power thread and speed usually goes a long way in beating power. I do think that if Team Power can catch Team Speed, they can win but those guys are damn fast. I think Batman could probably do better without the armor in all honesty. He knows how to take a hit and he is supposed to be pretty fast himself without carrying 50lbs around at all times.

Honestly, it would come down to who you pit against who. Mad Dog isn't allowed to use weapons and neither is Bruce so it makes sense to pit them against each other. Bond is known to utilize his environment so he'd have a better chance against Rama.

As for Mad Dog, I doubt he'll be inflicting greater damage than either Ra's or Bane did against Bruce as he's smaller and weaker than either.

It does not say that Mad Dog cannot use his environment just as much as Bond. Considering Mad Dog is considerably faster than Ra's, Bane or Batman, I think he can inflict as much damage, it will just take more strikes. But that does not necessarily mean it will take longer.

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#35  Edited By Deranged Midget

@Erik: Never argued the fact that Mad Dog is faster than Bruce but it's debatable that Bruce would let Mad Dog get the opportunity to utilize the environment.

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#36  Edited By Erik

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Never argued the fact that Mad Dog is faster than Bruce but it's debatable that Bruce would let Mad Dog get the opportunity to utilize the environment.

Okay let us assume for a moment that he will not. How is he going to put Mad Dog down? Mad Dog has a clear advantage over two guys that I think would give Bruce some work individually.

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#37  Edited By Deranged Midget

@Erik: No doubt, and in my orignal comment I stated that Mad Dog has the advantage in speed, agility and possibly skill but I just don't see him having the strength to inflict serious damage.

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#38  Edited By Erik

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: No doubt, and in my orignal comment I stated that Mad Dog has the advantage in speed, agility and possibly skill but I just don't see him having the strength to inflict serious damage.

I do. Regular thugs were able to inflict major contusions when they were able to connect with Batman. Contusion equals tissue damage. Tissue damage equals injury. Batman is insulated from H2H strikes but he can and does still get hurt by regular people that are completely untrained to at best, trained how to street fight.

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#39  Edited By Rumble Man

@Erik said:

I think the armor is enjoying a little hype. It does not make Batman immune from blunt strikes, it just mitigates the damage. And as far as knives go... well we already say that as long as you are not stabbing the kevlar plates, knives go right through that armor.

Spot on, and don't forget the difference in choreography and actual battle speed (speed vs power u mentioned but team speed has a knife and massive damage soak capability not to mention killer instinct)

@Super_SoldierXII:

Bond is the weak link here, sure as you said he's had succes against 'gimmick' opponents but he sucks and struggles in every battle against more 'real' ones, like dominic greene in quantum of solace who is an unathletic businessman at best. If this was connery then it would be different.

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#40  Edited By Deranged Midget

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

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#41  Edited By Erik

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

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#42  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

A smiley face from Erik? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, DERANGED?!

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#43  Edited By Alexander505

Batman and Bond win.

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#44  Edited By Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

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I guess I just bring out the best in people ;)

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#45  Edited By SpideyPresence

Team 1 here. For me it seemed like Rama and Maddog both had superior skill over Wayne and Bond

Here he gets taken advantage of by 4 thugs.

Here is Rama destroying like 5 other silat fighters. To go on and fight like 30 more later. Maddog takes him and his brother at once.

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#46  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Deranged Midget said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

A smiley face from Erik? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, DERANGED?!

I guess I just bring out the best in people ;)

Or the worst. A smiling Erik is a dangerous Erik.

It's like if you see Dexter smiling. You know something is wrong.

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#47  Edited By Erik

@k4tzm4n said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

A smiley face from Erik? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, DERANGED?!

I guess I just bring out the best in people ;)

Or the worst. A smiling Erik is a dangerous Erik.

It's like if you see Dexter smiling. You know something is wrong.

Lol.

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#48  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Erik said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget said:

@Erik: Fair enough, and I can't help but agree that if Mad Dog gets his hands on a weapon, be it blunt or a blade, he'd be finishing off Bruce quickly.

:)

A smiley face from Erik? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, DERANGED?!

I guess I just bring out the best in people ;)

Or the worst. A smiling Erik is a dangerous Erik.

It's like if you see Dexter smiling. You know something is wrong.

Lol.

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#49  Edited By Deranged Midget

@k4tzm4n: Baha! That might be true or my point might still stand ;)

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