Raiden vs Scorpion

It is but I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying devilmarine, Raiden IS immortal regardless of his form...let's just clear that out of the way lol. Reason being is simple, Raiden is and always has been, always will be a godly essense.....example you can even hear him speaking from the sky(no mortal form) or see him in a form of pure lightning at times as well. You kind of see this in MK4 Fujin's ending a little. It's not logically impossible since it makes sense in Raiden's case plus...this is fiction(most things in vid games, comics and movies kind of deny the possible lol) so you play around with it....half the stuff in comics don't make sense either if you think about it, but it's all fiction man.
 
However, when he fights like you already stated Raiden is STILL immortal but is vulnerable, that aside even if he gets KOed or harmed he still CAN'T die for good thus he's immortal....if you read more into his bio he's existed since the beginning of time and was created by the Heavens/Elder Gods. 
 
Now, Shujinko is just the main character in MKD...nothing else, which is why he was the "main hero"  the thing that confused me from your post is the part about Fujin or Shujinko? Shujinko isn't the brightest MK character as he got duped in MKD's Konquest by Onaga posing as Damachi lol.  
 
I'm not sure what you're saying concerning the one or two characters are incorrect? What do you mean here? The fujin comments you made, Boon is the lead creator he's not the story guy...John Vogel is the story guy so it's actually understandable but what I was saying concerning Boon earlier was he and DC guys confirmed that MKDC isn't canon (again comickid) so not sure how many times I have to say it lol 
 
The deal with Fujin Devilmarine is simple, like you said in his bio he says he would have had no memory but is still immortal and would come back...with the same job regardless HOWEVER...they did explain it in MKA more and MKD konquest, Raiden when he reformed but "darker" due to the darker, evil essense of Quan-Chi and Shang Tsung's souls being mixed in with Raiden's when he killed them all and himself...this is why. Fujin wasn't aware of this but knew something was wrong with Raiden coming back "darker" and not himself...Resurrecting Liu Kang to kill for him...old Enlightened Raiden would never do that... 
 
Dark Raiden is very different from light Raiden, same character, different personality lol
 

 

I didn't say that or mean that Raiden being a "mortal form=he's mortal" but rather just a vessel for the god to take in a way....ok here let me explain is better for you to understand, I can understand how this may sound a little confusing here...lol what I'm saying is Raiden is still immortal but in a mortal like form(human size). 
 
That's just the way it is via the rules of the Elder Gods and all that, Raiden can't physically fight via just his essense I mean(personally he COULD) but the rules don't allow it...other wise why not just become electricity/lightning all the time and fry everyone lol with his pure energy, that he is really. 
 
As for the Fujin gig, I already stated this but I added it few minutes ago so I'll just add it here again :) 
 
The deal with Fujin Devilmarine is simple, like you said in his bio he says he would have had no memory but is still immortal and would come back...with the same job regardless HOWEVER...they did explain it in MKA more and MKD konquest, Raiden when he reformed but "darker" due to the darker, evil essense of Quan-Chi and Shang Tsung's souls being mixed in with Raiden's when he killed them all and himself...this is why. Fujin wasn't aware of this but knew something was wrong with Raiden coming back "darker" and not himself...Resurrecting Liu Kang to kill for him...old Enlightened Raiden would never do that... As for Fujin not knowing, he didn't but knew something was wrong/off with Raiden...he doesn't know everything(nor does Raiden) they're both immortal Gods of Earthrealm but not fortune tellers lol...only the Elder Gods can foresee things that will happen...
 
Dark Raiden is very different from light Raiden, same character, different personality lol 
 
Don't confuse Raiden's "mortal form" with being "mortal" he's still immortal but just chooses that form to communicate with the Earth's mortals easier for them to understand on top of being able to fight directly....but he's still immortal, Raiden was never ever just a mortal...just want to establish that. The movies, shows etc aren't canon(he's shown to been mortal in the second film and end of MKC but neither are canon to the games minus a few accurate elements)
 
   

Nah I hear what you're saying man but I'm saying Raiden was never mortal...all he ever did was take a shape of a mortal form but is NOT actually mortal. 
 
And nobody ever said Raiden can't be dealt with or killed in that form, however Raiden himself is immortal despite his form thus why he always comes back lol...in the case of MKD, he was mixed in the afterlife with two evil energies which is why he came back "dark raiden" which Fujin recognized but how Fujin doesn't know...he just knew something was off. 
 
Besides, Raiden technically killed himself....so that's most likely why Fujin said "if Raiden was killed normally meaning by someone else" Raiden would have came back with no memory...but the way he died in MKD proves why that wasn't the case....Raiden didn't come back under "normal" circumstances lol 
 

... Da Hell is this? Raiden in a rapestomp. This is like putting Darkdevil against Thor.

" @Ferro Vida: Current Scorpion is enhanced by the Elder Gods "

" @Ferro Vida: After Deadly Alliance Scorpion was enhanced by the Elder Gods to the point of being able to harm Onaga with the kamidogus who was Nigh Unstoppable Scorpion being able to hurt Onaga put him above Raiden who released his Godly Essence and wasnt able to leave a spot on Onaga "

" @Matezoide: Scorpion being enhanced is canon, Sujinko might have beat him, but it still cant be ignored that the Elder Gods made Scorpion their champion and enhanced him with the goal of beating Onaga Currently he is still enhanced "

" @Matezoide:  Why would the Elder Gods take his powers away, you have no proof that he isnt still enhancedSecondly Shujinko beating him is PIS, Elder Gods gave him enough power to beat Onaga, but he gets beat by Shujinko who had to adsorb more power to beat Onaga "

Thier no proof that the Elder Gods took his powers 
I think that Current Scorpion can beat Raiden because the Elder Gods enhanced him to the point of being able to do some sort of damage to Onaga, where as Raiden when he released his Godly Essences wasnt able to leave a dirt spot on Onaga 
Pre Upgrade Scorpion would get one shotted by Raiden even in Outworld or any other realm on his worst day

Just like NickA said, Scorpion was beaten twice by the old Sub-Zero, the second time when Scorpion was a spectre.  The reason why Scorpion was able to defeat Onaga was because of the Elder Gods making him their "champion."  Otherwise, Scorpion was getting his head made into a bobblehead by the oni Moloch.  Just to show part of what Raiden was capable of, in one of his endings, he deems the earthworld champion "unworthy," and kills everyone, making him the sole protector of the earthrealm.  Raiden at full power against Champion Scorpion would actually be a pretty epic match, if it ever comes to that, but I believe Raiden would still win.  Honestly, after Scorpion became Champion Scorpion, he should have been able to destroy Quan-Chi, thus ending him as a character.  He came back for vengeance for his clan and family, right? Well I heard something that, I dunno if it's canon, of Quan-Chi running around with Scorpions "son," so if someone could prove or disprove that, i'd be appreciative. 

I've never been a big fan of Scorpion myself, but I can appreciate his wins.  I mean, even if he hasn't yet killed Quan-Chi, he sends the guy running through realms and teleporting more than Cable does when he hears the name Apocalypse.  Fact is, though, I think it's somewhat proven that Scorpion's skills as just a ninja aren't that up to par.  Losing twice to the original Sub-Zero before finally managing to kill him, he did beat Sub's brother, but I think that was largely due to confusion on the part of Sub-Zero's brother, who didn't know Scorpion thought he was the original.  Scorpion also gets his can handed to him by two oni that the heroes defeat (Although personally, I like Moloch, and I think he's hugely underwritten).  So, based on what i've seen in the MK-verse over the years, even with the new Champion Scorpion, unless they give his character a big change and give him better suited techniques to his godly new powers instead of "hapkido," then i'd say Scorpion, but for now, I go with Raiden.
 
Regardless, I think it was a big mistake killing off Kintaro, he had to be the best MK boss (even though he was a sub-boss) ever made.  I mean, the guy leaps up and curbstomps you as a basic move.

  With scorpion vs. Sub-Zero, it's simple really lol. First MK, Sub-Zero(original who then later became Noob-Saibot) killed Scorpion prior to the first MK tournament(they explain this in Mythologies Sub-Zero, and then Scorpion came back as an undead, ninja spectre....killed Sub-Zero at the first MK, then realized later on there was another Sub-Zero...initially Scorpion was confused and thought it wasn't possible but then realizing it was the original Sub-Zero's younger brother(the one with the scar and good one til present) New Sub defeated Scorp a few times but Scorpion also defeated Sub as well, in MK4's ending he beats Sub-Zero and blames him for his familie's death but Sub-Zero tells him, the Lin Kuei may have been responsible for his murder but his families true killer still remains free...then Quan-Chi shows up and mocks both of them, tells Scorpion the truth that he played him as a pawn to use against Sub-Zero....then Scorpion realizes Quan-Chi killed his family and clan, so Scorpion makes peace with Sub-Zero and goes after Quan-Chi into Netherrealm...
 
 
 
@Devilmarine, that's my whole point dude lol he's immortal and for that reason he can't be killed for good... there really isn't a plothole it's easy but just confusing to the casual fan(I'm more hardcore with MK if you haven't already noticed lol) Besides, like I said earlier dude. Boon is the lead guy of the MK team, the lead programmer and guys with most ideas...he's not that in depth with the story that's more John Vogel... 
 
Again though, Raiden is immortal but ONLY takes a mortal form to fight...the key word there is "form" that doesn't make him mortal so if you will, think of it as "impersonating a human body but is really a godly essense" 
 
There's really no other way to sum it up but it's simple lol. As for Raiden coming back, his intentions were and still good(but like you said an anti-hero) more vigilante style with fewer morals or rules...he would kill and go all out as oppose to the old Raiden most of us know more, he's still good ultimately but has a different way of going about it... 
 
I think of it like this, Old Raiden had a Superman way about him while Dark Raiden is more Jason Todd...get what I'm saying? lol 
 
I already explained why Raiden came back with memories...his energies when he destroyed himself also mixed in with the darker, evil energies of Shang Tsung and Quan-Chi....thus he came back corrupt, dark and with no morals on going about his job....he remembered everything and was pissed about it all as well as having that dark influence mixed within his energies once he reformed... 
 
Now Fujin even says this more or less in his bio/hints at it, thus why he knows something is wrong. Now IF Raiden was killed normally then like Fujin said, he would have came back without any memories, a new God with the same objective but not good nor evil....
 

"@comics kid: when has Older Sub Zero beat Scorpion 3 times Older Sub Zero beat Scorpion when he was a human  Older Sub Zero beat Scorpion when he bbecame undead Scorpion entered MK1 and killed Older Sub Zero Scorpion beat Younger Sub Zero in MK4 When did half the MK Universe and Reptile beat Scorpion  Your obivously a MK Troll and have nothing else better to do then troll  You will be ignored from here on out, starting now. "

"@comics kid: MK VS DC NON CANON MK Shaolin Monks NON CANON When did Sub Zero beat Scorpion in Armageddon, If you are talking about the Intro it's NON CANON too because Sub Zero isnt Scorpion's enemy anymore. Why would they fight.  And your still a MK Troll  "

So what? It's canon so what lol..oh wait that's right someone on here don't know the difference between canon and NOT canon...  
 
At first I thought this guy was neon nemesis but then even that guy had some sense to realize what was canon and not but the dumb hatred for MK is the same.... amusing but old.     
 
@Edamame, since you asked...and the OP never said "current Scorpion or current Raiden or EG Raiden" it's normal versions of each in which Raiden will destroy Scorpion. End of Story...  
 

Actually I KNOW what I'm talking about comicskid so save it, you don't know jack about MK and it's obvious...mean while people on here come to me for MK info...thanks.  Stop trolling as a ton of us have already proved you wrong pages ago... 
 
MK4=canon 
 
MKDC=NOT canon...
 
Edamame, no prob.

"Actually I KNOW what I'm talking about comicskid so save it, you don't know jack about MK and it's obvious...mean while people on here come to me for MK info...thanks.  Stop trolling as a ton of us have already proved you wrong pages ago...  MK4=canon  MKDC=NOT canon... Edamame, no prob. "

"Actually I KNOW what I'm talking about comicskid so save it, you don't know jack about MK and it's obvious...mean while people on here come to me for MK info...thanks.  Stop trolling as a ton of us have already proved you wrong pages ago...  MK4=canon  MKDC=NOT canon... Edamame, no prob. "

You have to understand if endings "relate" to one another they're canon...both Sub's and Scorpion's are canon and fell into one another clearly.... 
 
The MK team also confirmed what's canon and not, they said every game (fighting game) except MKvs. DCU is canon as will MK9 but they're using time travel this time to retell events that happened... 
 
I understand well you're just delusional or in denial, don't really care which but I've been following MK when you were probably in diapers or something so I'm not going to even bother arguing with you about this, I already know I'm right and what the deal is with MK...

"@MKF30 said:

"Actually I KNOW what I'm talking about comicskid so save it, you don't know jack about MK and it's obvious...mean while people on here come to me for MK info...thanks.  Stop trolling as a ton of us have already proved you wrong pages ago...  MK4=canon  MKDC=NOT canon... Edamame, no prob. "

Should be obvious from the Raiden avatar, LOL. "

Raiden definitely after all he is the one who had to take out Shao khan in mk9 and on the mk side in mk vs dc he took out dark khan so I say raiden is a total boss slayer

@N7_Normandy said:

Raiden