@Edgeworth_11: you must not read much batman. either bats or cassandra would stomp the hell out of raiden even as a cyborg. what did he do? he barely beat vamp even after his regeneration got nerfed. he takes punishment? the only thing that tells me is that he gets his ass kicked all the time which is actually true since he spent most of mgs4 getting a blood transfusion and getting his arms torn off.
@shillinger: If it was Batman or CC in his place, they would have died to those Gekos. Watch the video man. You are just dreaming bud. Raiden kills them so hard it isn't even funny.
@shillinger: If it was Batman or CC in his place, they would have died to those Gekos. Watch the video man. You are just dreaming bud. Raiden kills them so hard it isn't even funny.
right, batman can take out omacs, manhunters, white martians yet couldnt be able to take out geckos. do everyone a favor and read a batman comic before opening your mouth. raiden loses badly
@shillinger: If it was Batman or CC in his place, they would have died to those Gekos. Watch the video man. You are just dreaming bud. Raiden kills them so hard it isn't even funny.
Do you have any idea who Cass is? Raiden dies horribly.
@shillinger: If it was Batman or CC in his place, they would have died to those Gekos. Watch the video man. You are just dreaming bud. Raiden kills them so hard it isn't even funny.
Do you have any idea who Cass is? Raiden dies horribly.
ive seen his previous post, i doubt he even reads comics.
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
Riiiight. They've beaten OMAC's, Martians, all manners of beings more powerful than them but they have a problem with cyborg ninjas.
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
just read a comic, raiden has no prayer plain and simple. you don't read batman comics so that makes your opinion worthless. manhunters, omacs, white martials >>> cyborg ninjas geckos.
1 white martian would kill every single person in mgs.
Here he is holding back Shadow Moses with his sword and one arm. This shows his amazing strength which puts him in a class that is WAY past anything Batman or CC can show.
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
Riiiight. They've beaten OMAC's, Martians, all manners of beings more powerful than them but they have a problem with cyborg ninjas.
With prep, Batman can take out a lot of people he shouldn't be able to beat. But in a straight up fight with no prep, he loses horribly here as does CC.
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
Riiiight. They've beaten OMAC's, Martians, all manners of beings more powerful than them but they have a problem with cyborg ninjas.
With prep, Batman can take out a lot of people he shouldn't be able to beat. But in a straight up fight with no prep, he loses horribly here as does CC.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing Raiden has ever done matches Cass's feats against Deathstroke, Lady Shiva and Supergirl.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
Just watch the video guys. Batman and CC has no prayer plain and simple. You can make all the jabs at me you want but you have to prove how they can take out a Cyborg Ninja with super strength, speed, agility and toughness.
Riiiight. They've beaten OMAC's, Martians, all manners of beings more powerful than them but they have a problem with cyborg ninjas.
With prep, Batman can take out a lot of people he shouldn't be able to beat. But in a straight up fight with no prep, he loses horribly here as does CC.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing Raiden has ever done matches Cass's feats against Deathstroke, Lady Shiva and Supergirl.
Pure PIS. She is for all intents and purposes, a human. A very skilled one. But realistically, without PIS or prep, she shouldn't be able to beat those opponents. And Raiden.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire.
spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Ok, that is exploiting a weakness, and using stealth is not a straight up fight. In a first encounter, with no prior knowledge, he would be killed easily.
doesnt matter, they took out threats far greater anything in mgs. their is also no weakness to expose against omacs and manhunters either,. raiden gets stomped.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy.
Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them.
in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
doesnt matter, they took out threats far greater anything in mgs. their is also no weakness to expose against omacs and manhunters either,. raiden gets stomped.
Just try and back up your fight. In a fight with no prior knowledge, Batman dies to Manhunters very fast. You keep saying Batman wins, but don't explain or show any thing that suggest he could even survive such an encounter.
Raiden shows super human speed, strength agility. He killed around 20 - 30 gekos easily in 2 minutes. batman would be lucky to kill one.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
doesnt matter, they took out threats far greater anything in mgs. their is also no weakness to expose against omacs and manhunters either,. raiden gets stomped.
Just try and back up your fight. In a fight with no prior knowledge, Batman dies to Manhunters very fast. You keep saying Batman wins, but don't explain or show any thing that suggest he could even survive such an encounter. Raiden shows super human speed, strength agility. He killed around 20 - 30 gekos easily in 2 minutes. batman would be lucky to kill one.
he took out numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war without any prep or knowledge. if you read the comics you would know this. that's the whole problem though, you don't read the comics so your opinion means nothing. he took out omacs without prep also. youd know that if you read the ocmics.
raiden showed superhuman strength and thats it, he's no faster or anymore agile then a comic street level character, both batman and cassandra have better speed feats then cyborg raiden do
btw raiden didnt take out 20-30 geckos, he took out like 3 or 4. in fact at one point they captured him and he only survived because snake saved him by shooting one of the cables that was restraining him.
Raiden isn't so weak that CC could beat him easily. Raiden was one of the people who could put a wound on Vamp even in MGS2 before Raiden became a cyborg. Snake is one of the people who wounded him before using of the nanomachine suppressor. Vamp is quick enough to dodge machine guns to get close to finish off a soldier with a few quick slashes.
While Vamp can predict what an opponent would do before they do it, he can even tell where a gun will be pointed before the trigger is pulled, he said that Raiden's muscles are different. Though it may not help against CC's body reading ability, it is through my speculation that it could give her a hard time fighting against him.
Raiden has killed multiple Geckos during MGS4. He was strong enough to spin 2 Geckos around and his strength is freakish when he stopped a warship with one arm. As a cyborg, he can survive dismemberment, take a lot of stab wounds and survive getting buried beneath the weight of a warship, and also, he demonstrated the ability to generate lightning. ANd Raiden's overall superior physical statuses can give him an advantage.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read.
they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read. they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
You can say all you want that Batman beat martians or whatever you claim. Fact is, he struggles with guys like Penguin, Riddler, Joker, etc. These guys are put in MGS4, they would die to even Snake. Raiden utterly kills them and Batman. Batman beating aliens is PIS at it's worse. You know this. If you have any dignity, you would stop saying this for the millioneth time. If written properly with no fanboyism or favortism, batman and cc loses bad to just about any meta human.
Raiden isn't so weak that CC could beat him easily. Raiden was one of the people who could put a wound on Vamp even in MGS2 before Raiden became a cyborg. Snake is one of the people who wounded him before using of the nanomachine suppressor. Vamp is quick enough to dodge machine guns to get close to finish off a soldier with a few quick slashes. While Vamp can predict what an opponent would do before they do it, he can even tell where a gun will be pointed before the trigger is pulled, he said that Raiden's muscles are different. Though it may not help against CC's body reading ability, it is through my speculation that it could give her a hard time fighting against him. Raiden has killed multiple Geckos during MGS4. He was strong enough to spin 2 Geckos around and his strength is freakish when he stopped a warship with one arm. As a cyborg, he can survive dismemberment, take a lot of stab wounds and survive getting buried beneath the weight of a warship, and also, he demonstrated the ability to generate lightning. ANd Raiden's overall superior physical statuses can give him an advantage.
raiden doesnt have the speed or the skill to fight with cassandra. he was able to hurt vamp but cassandra would curbstomp the daylights out of him. vamp had a moving readin ability but raiden was able to get past it because of the suit he wore. he's physically outclassed by cass and no where near her calibur of fighting skill.
why do people act like killing geckos is some impressive feat? their generally canon fodder in mgs4 just like the frogs were. the only physical advantage raiden has is strength, in terms of everything else he's outclassed.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read. they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
You can say all you want that Batman beat martians or whatever you claim. Fact is, he struggles with guys like Penguin, Riddler, Joker, etc. These guys are put in MGS4, they would die to even Snake. Raiden utterly kills them and Batman. Batman beating aliens is PIS at it's worse. You know this. If you have any dignity, you would stop saying this for the millioneth time. If written properly with no fanboyism or favortism, batman and cc loses bad to just about any meta human.
see this is another reason why yould stop posting. batman usually curbstomps penguin riddler and joker, in fact just recently dick grayson beat the crap out of riddler and engima at the same time. you would know this if you actually read the comics. since you dont then your shitty opinion means nothing.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read. they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
You can say all you want that Batman beat martians or whatever you claim. Fact is, he struggles with guys like Penguin, Riddler, Joker, etc. These guys are put in MGS4, they would die to even Snake. Raiden utterly kills them and Batman. Batman beating aliens is PIS at it's worse. You know this. If you have any dignity, you would stop saying this for the millioneth time. If written properly with no fanboyism or favortism, batman and cc loses bad to just about any meta human.
see this is another reason why yould stop posting. batman usually curbstomps penguin riddler and joker, in fact just recently dick grayson beat the crap out of riddler and engima at the same time. you would know this if you actually read the comics. since you dont then your shitty opinion means nothing. please go troll somewhere else.
Your the troll. Creating dupe accounts and using foul language. This is supposed to be kid friendly man.
You are a supreme fan boy. Get that in your head. Batman is just a detective with some fancy toys and is a great and skillful fighter. But against metahumans, he is easily outclassed when you take out the PIS and fanboyism.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read. they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
You can say all you want that Batman beat martians or whatever you claim. Fact is, he struggles with guys like Penguin, Riddler, Joker, etc. These guys are put in MGS4, they would die to even Snake. Raiden utterly kills them and Batman. Batman beating aliens is PIS at it's worse. You know this. If you have any dignity, you would stop saying this for the millioneth time. If written properly with no fanboyism or favortism, batman and cc loses bad to just about any meta human.
see this is another reason why yould stop posting. batman usually curbstomps penguin riddler and joker, in fact just recently dick grayson beat the crap out of riddler and engima at the same time. you would know this if you actually read the comics. since you dont then your shitty opinion means nothing. please go troll somewhere else.
Your the troll. Creating dupe accounts and using foul language. This is supposed to be kid friendly man. You are a supreme fan boy. Get that in your head. Batman is just a detective with some fancy toys and is a great and skillful fighter. But against metahumans, he is easily outclassed when you take out the PIS and fanboyism.
dude batman beats the hell out of tons of meta humans. you just dont read his comics. the reason why i make several accounts is because ur only allowed 5 post daily until ur post count is up.
you're an idiot and your opinion means nothing. you have never read a batman comic so anything you say is automatically meaningless.
@shillinger: So tell me, how does CC and Batman beat Martian in a straight up fight? And ask yourself, in a fight to the deatht with no prep vs say Spiderman, would you rather be a detective with high tech toys or a kick ass cyborg ninja with more than enough strength, agility, etc to make it a fair fight?
read comics, batman uses their vunerability to fire. spiderman could beat batman or cass, but raiden isn't on spidermans level. he isnt as fast or as agile as he is. raiden isn't even as fast and agile as bats or cassandra and hes no where near their fighting skill level, he had enough trouble fighting vamp.
Stop creating multiple accounts. I know you are one guy. Anyway, Watch the video again. You think Batman can perform those feats? They are way beyond what a normal man can do. Batman is a very skillful normal man. Raiden displays amazing strength, skill, agility and durability that easily surpasses any human, Batman has trouble fighting Bane. Vamp >Bane easily.
pfft those feats are worthless. the only thing raiden has is physical strength, he's slower and less agile. cassandra can literally outpace a bullet. that means she moves faster then 1400 feet per second. batman can vanish out of plain sight when people are looking at him. even nightwing is much faster then raiden is. unless you want to show me raiden taking out 40 guys with guns in a few minutes, while surrounded and without killing them. in hand to hand bane would stomp the shit out of vamp.
He did something more impressive, He killed gekos. one of those things would kill 40 goons with no skill easily.
lol geckos = manhunters and omacs? one manhunter or omac would slaughter everyone in mgs, and batman destroyed numerous manhunters in sinestro corps war, the comic that you didn't read. they arent goons, they were actual soldiers armed with assault rifles and surrounded nightwing, he took them out in minutes without killing them. raiden nearly got his ass kicked by a bunch of frogs at end of the game, he didn't have his arms but to be fair they werent using guns.
You can say all you want that Batman beat martians or whatever you claim. Fact is, he struggles with guys like Penguin, Riddler, Joker, etc. These guys are put in MGS4, they would die to even Snake. Raiden utterly kills them and Batman. Batman beating aliens is PIS at it's worse. You know this. If you have any dignity, you would stop saying this for the millioneth time. If written properly with no fanboyism or favortism, batman and cc loses bad to just about any meta human.
see this is another reason why yould stop posting. batman usually curbstomps penguin riddler and joker, in fact just recently dick grayson beat the crap out of riddler and engima at the same time. you would know this if you actually read the comics. since you dont then your shitty opinion means nothing. please go troll somewhere else.
Your the troll. Creating dupe accounts and using foul language. This is supposed to be kid friendly man. You are a supreme fan boy. Get that in your head. Batman is just a detective with some fancy toys and is a great and skillful fighter. But against metahumans, he is easily outclassed when you take out the PIS and fanboyism.
dude batman beats the hell out of tons of meta humans. you just dont read his comics. the reason why i make several accounts is because ur only allowed 5 post daily until ur post count is up. you're an idiot and your opinion means nothing. you have never read a batman comic so anything you say is automatically meaningless.
My point is without PIS, PREP or FANBOYISM favortism, logically, he shouldn't be able to. But people like you buy the comics and actually believe it and DC makes $$ from guys like you.
In all honesty? I would have to give the fight to Raiden. If you are familiar with MGS4, you know that Raiden can survive a hell of a lot of punishment. Dismemberment, multiple stab wounds. The best example is in that fight against Vamp, where he impales himself and Vamp. Vamp has a healing factor like Wolverine's, but Raiden has an artificial body and blood. It was a case of endurance; who could take more punishment before falling. Raiden beat Vamp both occasions.
This is not to mention his 'resurrection', where he somehow was able to emit electricity from his body and strike down FROGS (elite soldiers of Liquid Ocelot's army). If you don't remember, it's the scene where he fights the FROGS without his arms, with a katana in his mouth (a truly epic scene).
Cass is talented, no doubt about it. If she was fighting Vamp, she would most definitely wipe the floor with him. But Raiden has superhuman traits that go far beyond Vamp's capabilities. When it comes down to it, as talented as Cassandra is, she would not be able to put down Raiden.
Raiden's a cyborg, so I'll assume he has greater physical strength/endurance than Cass. Battle's in an abandoned factory, with objects and machines around. Cass has trained under Batman, who uses shadows, and lives in the DC Universe with on-tap threats such as Bane, Clayface, Mr Freeze and others. If she uses the environment to her advantage, and goes for ranged attacks with whatever throwing gadgets she's got/can adapt from the miscellaneous objects and machines in the factory, I think she could take it. If she's brought into a hand-to-hand combat with Raiden, his cybernetic components might be enough to give him an upper hand. I'm not sure, it could go either way depending on lighting/layout of the factory as well as how the battle begins (are they both on the ground to start with, or wandering around the factory and happen upon each other? I'm not sure it's mentioned - someone please correct me thanks)
Raiden isn't so weak that CC could beat him easily. Raiden was one of the people who could put a wound on Vamp even in MGS2 before Raiden became a cyborg. Snake is one of the people who wounded him before using of the nanomachine suppressor. Vamp is quick enough to dodge machine guns to get close to finish off a soldier with a few quick slashes. While Vamp can predict what an opponent would do before they do it, he can even tell where a gun will be pointed before the trigger is pulled, he said that Raiden's muscles are different. Though it may not help against CC's body reading ability, it is through my speculation that it could give her a hard time fighting against him. Raiden has killed multiple Geckos during MGS4. He was strong enough to spin 2 Geckos around and his strength is freakish when he stopped a warship with one arm. As a cyborg, he can survive dismemberment, take a lot of stab wounds and survive getting buried beneath the weight of a warship, and also, he demonstrated the ability to generate lightning. ANd Raiden's overall superior physical statuses can give him an advantage.
raiden doesnt have the speed or the skill to fight with cassandra. he was able to hurt vamp but cassandra would curbstomp the daylights out of him. vamp had a moving readin ability but raiden was able to get past it because of the suit he wore. he's physically outclassed by cass and no where near her calibur of fighting skill. why do people act like killing geckos is some impressive feat? their generally canon fodder in mgs4 just like the frogs were. the only physical advantage raiden has is strength, in terms of everything else he's outclassed.
Raiden has the speed reactions to go head on with CC. You're forgetting his durability as well when he got crushed by the ship and survived as I explained earlier. Killing Geckos isn't that impressive for Raiden. This is because even Snake could take them down. It's not just strength that Raiden has the advantage in, but also his stamina and durability. Also you forgot to mention the gear they can use, like Raiden's HF blade, knife and his foot knives, as well the guns he's used in MGS2, while CC has pretty much the same thing as Batman used. So other than fighting ability, what makes you say that CC outclasses Raiden in every category?
@RainEffect: I'm not familiar with MGS4, so I was trying to use the info in the OP. It could swing your way though. I'm thinking I'll adjust mine from a more 50/50 to a bit more 70/30 Raiden to Cass.
@darth_brendroid: Have you seen the trailer to Metal Gear Solid: Rising? If it was in a factory (which that trailer is set in), Cass would not be able to hide or use stealth (unless she had a highly advanced improvement to her batsuit). Raiden has a visor that covers one eye and would predictably have detection capabilities. Plus, he's a stealth/agility expert himself.
Watch the trailer, even if you don't agree with me, because it's flipping awesome!
@darth_brendroid: Have you seen the trailer to Metal Gear Solid: Rising? If it was in a factory (which that trailer is set in), Cass would not be able to hide or use stealth (unless she had a highly advanced improvement to her batsuit). Raiden has a visor that covers one eye and would predictably have detection capabilities. Plus, he's a stealth/agility expert himself. Watch the trailer, even if you don't agree with me, because it's flipping awesome!
Did you see the part when time slowed down, giving Raiden time to slice the soldier up and the part where he sliced up building pillars and a car? Man those part were amazing. And he made a funny cutting a watermelon lol
@Wellalrightthen: I see logic in some of your points. However, I still stand by that Raiden won that first fight. If you remember, Vamp collapsed unconscious first (after uttering "could you be the one to finally finish me?"), to which Raiden promptly stood in a victory pose before bailing with Otacon and co. It was only until after he got onto the ship that he started throwing up blood. By that time, Vamp's healing factor regenerated him and he came back. Raiden technically won that fight.
The second fight, Raiden wasn't put out of commission. Raiden beat Vamp (albeit it was hard to watch as the player had to focus on not getting Suicide Gekko'd), but if you watch a Youtube video of it, you'll see Raiden won that fight indefinitely (Snake eliminated Vamp's healing factor prior to that fight with the nano machines), and Raiden was in tip top shape (enough shape to be able to hold off Gekko's whilst REX made the escape).
When Raiden returned, don't forgot about his electricity abilities. He vaporized a whole bunch of FROGS. Of course, they would have been better off to shoot him, but they have honor, which is nice to see. With his arms, Raiden's quick enough to deflect bullets.
Just curious, what strategy do you personally believe would allow Cass to win? I'm curious.
@Wellalrightthen: I believe that if Raiden has a sword, like in the image from the OP, and he knows how to use it he could stab Cass' cape into the floor and punch her in the face. It would be worse for her if he hangs her from a wall or something. Sure, she'll probably get out of that but it gives Raiden some time to use that physical strength of his.
@Wellalrightthen: He'd just need to get the cape and land a punch. Besides, once Cass separates her cape from her costume it could give Raiden an extra weapon of sorts.
That said, what are the odds Cass will have something on her person she could use to short Raiden's cybernetics? Might there be an object in the factory she could use?
@Wellalrightthen: I believe that if Raiden has a sword, like in the image from the OP, and he knows how to use it he could stab Cass' cape into the floor and punch her in the face. It would be worse for her if he hangs her from a wall or something. Sure, she'll probably get out of that but it gives Raiden some time to use that physical strength of his.
that's assuming he can actually stab her, and cass can easily seperate her cape from the rest of her costume.
Raiden deflects bullets. If he can tag a bullet and tag a man who dodges bullets, he can tag Cassandra.
@Wellalrightthen: I believe that if Raiden has a sword, like in the image from the OP, and he knows how to use it he could stab Cass' cape into the floor and punch her in the face. It would be worse for her if he hangs her from a wall or something. Sure, she'll probably get out of that but it gives Raiden some time to use that physical strength of his.
that's assuming he can actually stab her, and cass can easily seperate her cape from the rest of her costume.
Raiden deflects bullets. If he can tag a bullet and tag a man who dodges bullets, he can tag Cassandra.
Cass has dodged bullets after they've been fired. She's taken multiple gunshots without even flinching.
Man, I really need to read some of these Cassandra Cain Batgirl runs. She sounds freakishly superhuman. I know she's Shiva's daughter and all, but still; you guys are making her sound above Bruce.
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