#1 Posted by ChaoticMadness (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Raditz win?  
 
 
Fight takes place in a random Desert. 

  
#2 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know much about Bleach, but Raditz is still, pretty powerful. I'm gonna go with Raditz, unless someone proofs me wrong.

#3 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz Dies

#4 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Radits is FTL. Radits wins by default.

#5 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Soul Reapers are invisible. Raditz Dies.

#6 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling: Too bad Raditz has a Scouter to pick them up.

#7 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Since when could Scouters find where spirits are?

Raditz can be FTL all he wants once he gets near Head Captain Commander he'll be reduced to ashes

#8 Posted by Chronus (1115 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@No_Trolling: Too bad Raditz has a Scouter to pick them up.

Scouters won't work.

#9 Edited by XImpossibruX (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz is FTL and is a Giant Moon buster.

He flies up and rains hell upon everybody.

Can anyone prove that they could catch Raditz, survive his physical and destructive power, and even manage to scratch Raditz?

#10 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k: @Chronus: Do Bleach Characters put out energy? then they can be read by scouters. Anything with Energy is Scout readable. Period. No Arguing that.

@XImpossibruX said:

Raditz is FTL and is a Giant Moon buster.

He flies up and rains hell upon everybody.

Can anyone prove that they could catch Raditz, survive his physical and destructive power, and even manage to scratch Raditz?

This too.

#11 Edited by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: It doesn't work both ways for different Animes the Scouter will be absolutely useless here

#12 Posted by XImpossibruX (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@CerberusPrime3k: @Chronus: Do Bleach Characters put out energy? then they can be read by scouters. Anything with Energy is Scout readable. Period. No Arguing that.

I never thought of that. Well done.

#13 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz will destroy the Bleach universe.

"Be water my friend"

#14 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k: Oh really? then I guess Bleach Characters cant use powers against Dragonball Z cause It doesn't work both ways for different Animes the Bleach Powers will be absolutely useless here.

How your logic suit you now?

Scouters read energy. I have energy, you have energy, the Bleach Guys have ALOT of energy. To say they're immune to Energy readings is like saying they're immune to a punch in the face. SRY but no.

#15 Edited by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: The "Bleach Guys minus Chad,Orihime,Isshida" aren't Biological they are spirits they're not on the Physical plane but they can enter it unless you have proof the a scouter can detect the energy of a spiritual beings until then it is absolutely useless here

"Shinigami are unearthly beings living in a world ruled by a different logic than the World of the Living."

#16 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k: Ki and Spirit are the same things in DBZ. Sooo.........

#17 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

Raditz solos the Bleach Universe for sh*ts and giggles.

#18 Posted by The_Soverighn (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Kenpachi

Byakuka

Uryu

Renji

Any One Of These Guy Could Kill Raditz Is A Second

#19 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Ki and Spirits aren't the same

Ki is also known as "latent energy" or "fighting power." The term is the Japanese romanization of the Chinese term "Chi" (氣), which directly translates as "life force." This force is a tangible energy inside every living being<----see that right there?, its major focus being in the center of the body. By drawing it out, a person is able to manipulate it and use it for performances outside the body. Ki can be used for many different techniques. Usually, the more concentrated the masses are, the more time the user requires to draw it out (to "power up"). When a fighter gathers ki, he is able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents.

According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three components: Genki (元気; lit. "Energy"), Yūki (勇気; lit. "Courage") and Shōki (正気; lit. "Mind"). It can also be "positive" or "negative", depending on the user.

Shinigami (死神, "death god(s)"; Viz "Soul Reaper(s)") are guardians of the souls who are going through the circle of transmigration. Namely, they are "balancers." They exterminate Hollows who did evil in the World of the living; they ensure the safe crossing of souls - the Pluses who have lost their way after death - by giving them a soul funeral.

Shinigami are unearthly beings living in a world ruled by a different logic than the World of the Living.

#20 Posted by The_Gravix (97 posts) - - Show Bio

Has anyone actually seen bleach? He isn't near as fast as top tier soul reapers or has the destructive power.

#21 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: Ki and Spirits aren't the same

Ki is also known as "latent energy" or "fighting power." The term is the Japanese romanization of the Chinese term "Chi" (氣), which directly translates as "life force." This force is a tangible energy inside every living being<----see that right there?, its major focus being in the center of the body. By drawing it out, a person is able to manipulate it and use it for performances outside the body. Ki can be used for many different techniques. Usually, the more concentrated the masses are, the more time the user requires to draw it out (to "power up"). When a fighter gathers ki, he is able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents.

According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three components: Genki (元気; lit. "Energy"), Yūki (勇気; lit. "Courage") and Shōki (正気; lit. "Mind"). It can also be "positive" or "negative", depending on the user.

Shinigami (死神, "death god(s)"; Viz "Soul Reaper(s)") are guardians of the souls who are going through the circle of transmigration. Namely, they are "balancers." They exterminate Hollows who did evil in the World of the living; they ensure the safe crossing of souls - the Pluses who have lost their way after death - by giving them a soul funeral.

Shinigami are unearthly beings living in a world ruled by a different logic than the World of the Living.

Its funny cause your wrong.

When Goku died he came back to earth as basicaly a Solid Spirit a few times. He was able to draw on more energy and use Ki more effective. others still were able to detect his Energy Levels even tho he was dead and a Spirit. Same for a Spirit Vegeta vs Super Buu.

So as proven Spirits in DBZ universe not only were detected by energy levels but were also able to use Ki more effectivly.

You can post all the definaitions you want dont change the fact it happen that way.

#22 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: Ki and Spirits aren't the same

Ki is also known as "latent energy" or "fighting power." The term is the Japanese romanization of the Chinese term "Chi" (氣), which directly translates as "life force." This force is a tangible energy inside every living being<----see that right there?, its major focus being in the center of the body. By drawing it out, a person is able to manipulate it and use it for performances outside the body. Ki can be used for many different techniques. Usually, the more concentrated the masses are, the more time the user requires to draw it out (to "power up"). When a fighter gathers ki, he is able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents.

According to Akira Toriyama, ki is made up of three components: Genki (元気; lit. "Energy"), Yūki (勇気; lit. "Courage") and Shōki (正気; lit. "Mind"). It can also be "positive" or "negative", depending on the user.

Shinigami (死神, "death god(s)"; Viz "Soul Reaper(s)") are guardians of the souls who are going through the circle of transmigration. Namely, they are "balancers." They exterminate Hollows who did evil in the World of the living; they ensure the safe crossing of souls - the Pluses who have lost their way after death - by giving them a soul funeral.

Shinigami are unearthly beings living in a world ruled by a different logic than the World of the Living.

Its funny cause your wrong.

When Goku died he came back to earth as basicaly a Solid Spirit a few times. He was able to draw on more energy and use Ki more effective. others still were able to detect his Energy Levels even tho he was dead and a Spirit. Same for a Spirit Vegeta vs Super Buu.

So as proven Spirits in DBZ universe not only were detected by energy levels but were also able to use Ki more effectivly.

You can post all the definaitions you want dont change the fact it happen that way.

Like he's going to fight every single invisible soul reaper in Bleach. With only scouter readings gtfo of here. He's going to get owned by the top tier guys.

#23 Edited by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: That's Goku entering the Physical plane where his presence can be felt. Shinigami can enter/leave the physical/spiritual plane when ever they please but they're always on a the spiritual plane Raditz will not see or sense them unless stated otherwise.

It's similar to when Aizen enters the real karakura town he was in the Physical plane his presence could be felt by others and those unfortunate seamlessly disappeared because of his intense spiritual pressure.

All that proves is that once the said spirit enters the physical plane they're energy or what have you can be felt nothing more nothing less

#24 Posted by niBBit (719 posts) - - Show Bio

Keep your eye on the birdie !

#25 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: That's Goku entering the Physical plane where his presence can be felt. Shinigami can enter/leave the physical/spiritual plane when ever they please but they're always on a the spiritual plane Raditz will not see or sense them unless stated otherwise.

It's similar to when Aizen enters the real karakura town he was in the Physical plane his presence could be felt by others and those unfortunate seamlessly disappeared because of his intense spiritual pressure.

All that proves is that once the said spirit enters the physical plane they're energy or what have you can be felt nothing more nothing less

Well I wont argue that. But FTL is still a problem of hitting him.

@No_Trolling: Like the Invisible Soul Reapers he cant read will tag him as hes FTL.

#26 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

I love how Raditz is FTL, a large moon buster... and he's still one of the weaker characters in DBZ. That series is ridiculous (the best of ridiculous. The kind that its hard not to love)

Anyway... I don't see Raditz defeating the entire Bleach universe... he'll definitely kill a lot of them, but I don't think he would be able to take everyone out. Granted I know very little about Bleach.

#27 Posted by SpeedForceSpider (901 posts) - - Show Bio

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

#28 Posted by XImpossibruX (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling: No trolling? But your Trolling right now....

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

Not casually, but he pulls the job off.

#29 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

He nukes the map out of rage.

GG

#30 Posted by Strafe Prower (11892 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL @ this!

Raditz won't do anything but get stomped here. Aizen alone would kill him.

#31 Posted by Erik (33327 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why I love anime/manga threads.

#32 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (4498 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

Youre the only fanboy here. Aizen, Tousen, Captain Yama, Jashiro, Captain Koruyaku, Mayuri, Baragan can all beat raditz. Tousen's zanpaktou has the abilty to take away all a persons senses and engulf them in complete darkness

#33 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@No_Trolling: No trolling? But your Trolling right now....

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

Not casually, but he pulls the job off.

Are you going to tell me i'm trolling or are you going to strike up a debate.

@CadenceV2 said:

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: That's Goku entering the Physical plane where his presence can be felt. Shinigami can enter/leave the physical/spiritual plane when ever they please but they're always on a the spiritual plane Raditz will not see or sense them unless stated otherwise.

It's similar to when Aizen enters the real karakura town he was in the Physical plane his presence could be felt by others and those unfortunate seamlessly disappeared because of his intense spiritual pressure.

All that proves is that once the said spirit enters the physical plane they're energy or what have you can be felt nothing more nothing less

Well I wont argue that. But FTL is still a problem of hitting him.

@No_Trolling: Like the Invisible Soul Reapers he cant read will tag him as hes FTL.

Please back this up with some evidence.

#34 Edited by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Bleach Universe.

#35 Posted by XImpossibruX (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

Can someone give me a logical explanation how Bleachverse is suppose to take someone, Who can throw out Giant Moon busters casually, punches can hurt Dragon Ball Goku and Piccolo (Who are durable enough to survive nukes), and move at FTL speeds?

#36 Posted by Nefarious (22869 posts) - - Show Bio

BU.

#37 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@No_Trolling: No trolling? But your Trolling right now....

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

Not casually, but he pulls the job off.

Are you going to tell me i'm trolling or are you going to strike up a debate.

@CadenceV2 said:

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: That's Goku entering the Physical plane where his presence can be felt. Shinigami can enter/leave the physical/spiritual plane when ever they please but they're always on a the spiritual plane Raditz will not see or sense them unless stated otherwise.

It's similar to when Aizen enters the real karakura town he was in the Physical plane his presence could be felt by others and those unfortunate seamlessly disappeared because of his intense spiritual pressure.

All that proves is that once the said spirit enters the physical plane they're energy or what have you can be felt nothing more nothing less

Well I wont argue that. But FTL is still a problem of hitting him.

@No_Trolling: Like the Invisible Soul Reapers he cant read will tag him as hes FTL.

Please back this up with some evidence.

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

#38 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Alright i'll concede on that but Raditz will be face thousands of invisible opponents who should be at least super sonic in speed that have unique special abilities. How does he get past Aizen's shikai, total hypnosis? It will put him in an illusion and he won't ever even know he's in.

#39 Edited by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Alright i'll concede on that but Raditz will be face thousands of invisible opponents who should be at least super sonic in speed that have unique special abilities. How does he get past Aizen's shikai, total hypnosis? It will put him in an illusion and he won't ever even know he's in.

That's the thing. he could be overwhelmed IMO. He could always just keep moving and throw casual Ki blasts that are easily on par with the damage anyone in Bleach could dish out but then again he still has to deal with illusions,People fucking with his senses etc etc. If the entire universe came at him 1v1 they'd all get struck down before they could react but that isn't the case here

Then again no one would be able to even sense him if he starts to blitz with even High Hypersonic speeds.

#40 Posted by No_Trolling (653 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

@No_Trolling said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Alright i'll concede on that but Raditz will be face thousands of invisible opponents who should be at least super sonic in speed that have unique special abilities. How does he get past Aizen's shikai, total hypnosis? It will put him in an illusion and he won't ever even know he's in.

That's the thing He'd be overwhelmed IMO. He could always just keep moving and throw casual Ki blasts that are easily on par with the damage anyone in Bleach could dish out but then again he still has to deal with illusions,People fucking with his senses etc etc. If the entire universe came at him 1v1 they'd all get struck down before they could react.

Then again no one would be able to even sense him if he starts to blitz with even High Hypersonic speeds.

True but in a morals on in counter his arrogance would probably get in the way of recognizing that there are actual threats to him in the vicinity. Would he even think to fight things he can't see or would he just think his scouters gone buggy. Meh i kind of need more OP info before coming to a decision.

#41 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling said:

@FourthDeity said:

@No_Trolling said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Alright i'll concede on that but Raditz will be face thousands of invisible opponents who should be at least super sonic in speed that have unique special abilities. How does he get past Aizen's shikai, total hypnosis? It will put him in an illusion and he won't ever even know he's in.

That's the thing He'd be overwhelmed IMO. He could always just keep moving and throw casual Ki blasts that are easily on par with the damage anyone in Bleach could dish out but then again he still has to deal with illusions,People fucking with his senses etc etc. If the entire universe came at him 1v1 they'd all get struck down before they could react.

Then again no one would be able to even sense him if he starts to blitz with even High Hypersonic speeds.

True but in a morals on in counter his arrogance would probably get in the way of recognizing that there are actual threats to him in the vicinity. Would he even think to fight things he can't see or would he just think his scouters gone buggy. Meh i kind of need more OP info before coming to a decision.

That's true.Raditz would probably ignore it and get himself killed.If he had actual senses like Goku or Vegeta he'd stand a MUCH better chance at this but considering he's relying on a device to see his threats rather than his own head I say if someone cuts it or damages it it's pretty much GG.It'd take a while but I think BU could EVENTUALLY wear him down if they suppress him long enough to the point where he couldn't nuke the map out of fear/Rage

#42 Posted by niBBit (719 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Bleach characters fly? How far does the powers of Bleach characters reach? Why could't Raditz the moment the battle starts use his speed witch is greater than that of Bleach (so i've heard) and fly high up in Earth's atmosphere like really high and just starts spamming shit and if he gets tired he just floats there and wait for his energy to recover.. Piccolo at an PL of around 300 could moonbust and Raditz is what 1200 - 1500 or something?

#43 Posted by Erik (33327 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Just to play the devil's advocate, what makes you think DBZ Earth has the same relative position to its moon as our planet does to our moon? After all, a ladder connects DBZ Earth to the moon.

#44 Posted by XImpossibruX (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Just to play the devil's advocate, what makes you think DBZ Earth has the same relative position to its moon as our planet does to our moon? After all, a ladder connects DBZ Earth to the moon.

What seriously? I'm reading the manga can you tell me what chapter or episode?

And I believe that it's the same distance because Bulma traveled to Jupiter with Popo and gave the distance of which they were going. So the solar system in which earth is the same.

#45 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling said:

@CadenceV2: Soul Reapers are invisible. Raditz Dies.

Goku was dead more than once and people wo were alive could see him...Why do people always feel like they can say crap like this when Bleach is involved. The OP obviously made the battle with the intention of Bleach characters being seen. Cut the bs. The Fastest character in Bleach is Ichigo and the last time his speed was stated was in his fight with Gin, which was 500x+ the speed of sound. He would still need to be 1800x faster to be able to moderately Keep up with Raditz. And if Ichigo can't do it, no way in hell anyone else can. Raditz wins on Speed alone.

#46 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Gravix said:

Has anyone actually seen bleach? He isn't near as fast as top tier soul reapers or has the destructive power.

Raditz was Faster than Light, Ichigo at his last proven speed was 500x the speed of light. Not nearly as fast as raditz.

#47 Edited by Erik (33327 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@Erik said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Just to play the devil's advocate, what makes you think DBZ Earth has the same relative position to its moon as our planet does to our moon? After all, a ladder connects DBZ Earth to the moon.

What seriously? I'm reading the manga can you tell me what chapter or episode?

And I believe that it's the same distance because Bulma traveled to Jupiter with Popo and gave the distance of which they were going. So the solar system in which earth is the same.

It is in Dragon Ball, not sure where. Last time I read it, it was still an ongoing manga series. Could have been on the show but I want to say I remember it from the manga.

As for the Earth to Jupiter distance, that changes all the time in our solar system alone because our two planets rotate around the sun at different rates. I imagine in the DBZ universe, its Earth and Jupiter both rotate around its sun as well. If that is the case, odds are that it could at one point have a similar distance to ours without having anywhere near the same configuration, allotment of planets/moons/celestial bodies or size/shape/density as anything in our solar system. What you are talking about seems more like coincidence than anything else.

#48 Posted by TheGraySon (457 posts) - - Show Bio

@solesamurai said:

@The_Gravix said:

Has anyone actually seen bleach? He isn't near as fast as top tier soul reapers or has the destructive power.

Raditz was Faster than Light, Ichigo at his last proven speed was 500x the speed of light. Not nearly as fast as raditz.

wait what..?

#49 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@No_Trolling said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@No_Trolling: No trolling? But your Trolling right now....

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Only a Bleach fanboy would say otherwise. Raditz causally solo's their verse barely breaking a sweat.

Not casually, but he pulls the job off.

Are you going to tell me i'm trolling or are you going to strike up a debate.

@CadenceV2 said:

@CerberusPrime3k said:

@CadenceV2: That's Goku entering the Physical plane where his presence can be felt. Shinigami can enter/leave the physical/spiritual plane when ever they please but they're always on a the spiritual plane Raditz will not see or sense them unless stated otherwise.

It's similar to when Aizen enters the real karakura town he was in the Physical plane his presence could be felt by others and those unfortunate seamlessly disappeared because of his intense spiritual pressure.

All that proves is that once the said spirit enters the physical plane they're energy or what have you can be felt nothing more nothing less

Well I wont argue that. But FTL is still a problem of hitting him.

@No_Trolling: Like the Invisible Soul Reapers he cant read will tag him as hes FTL.

Please back this up with some evidence.

@No_Trolling said:

@FourthDeity said:

Piccolo's special beam cannon is light speed

Raditz dodged it while being held down.Before you tell me to back THAT up with evidence Piccolos beam reached the moon at around the same time a beam of light would.

Alright i'll concede on that but Raditz will be face thousands of invisible opponents who should be at least super sonic in speed that have unique special abilities. How does he get past Aizen's shikai, total hypnosis? It will put him in an illusion and he won't ever even know he's in.

Technically Aizens Shikai needs to be seen to work and since you're trying to argue Raditz can't see them, then Aizens shikai would be useless.

#50 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGraySon said:

@solesamurai said:

@The_Gravix said:

Has anyone actually seen bleach? He isn't near as fast as top tier soul reapers or has the destructive power.

Raditz was Faster than Light, Ichigo at his last proven speed was 500x the speed of light. Not nearly as fast as raditz.

wait what..?

Ichigo in his fight with Gin was 500x the speed of sound, Raditz was FTL Ichigo would still need to be 1k+ times faster to be able to keep up with raditz.