Qui-gon Jinn vs Ulic Qel-Droma

• No prep
• Standard gear
• In character
• Morals off

This battle was inspired by ShootingNova

@jedixman@shootingnova@dccomicsrule2011@juiceboks@i_like_swords@beezlebub@jaken7 and@shroudofsorrow

@whirlwind_33: Is this Jedi Ulic, Sith Ulic, or Exile Ulic?

Need to wait for Ulics feats since I know little about him.

@jaken7: Jedi Ulic

Cool. Ulic was a badass.

Then Qui-Gon most likely takes this without much trouble.

Ulic.

What does it matter?

I was always under the impression his power level was the same as a Jedi or Sith - in fact, I would argue his better feats were better when he was a Jedi, seeing as how he has fought an army of Nadist along side other Jedi, stalemated Kun, deflected several blaster bolts, appeared to be multiple placed at once, defeated Warb-Null etc, all of which, probably supersedes him defeated Mandalore and defeating Cay who was not even trying to harm him.

@i_like_swords:

• Stalemating Exar Kun in saber combat
• Moving fast enough to create afterimages of himself and his blade

• Defeating Ancient Mandalores without saber

• His force TK should rival Qui-gon's

*scratches head*

I guess so, but Jedi Knight Ulic was younger and seemed more naive and inexperienced than we he was a Sith or Exile.

@dccomicsrule2011 or @shootingnova Wanna weight in?

@jaken7: How? Their feats are comparable to equal in every combative department. Saber skill, strength, speed and Force Power(without amps or trinkets).

@aonosawada: O_o LOL. I didn't really know you had another account. I mean I always thought you were dcboyrules until you denied being him.

I was wondering. You seemed like you knew what you were talking about, but I'd never seen this account post in Star Wars.

Everything seems about even, but Qui-Gon has much more experience and wisdom than Jedi Knight Ulic. Since that's the only clear disparity between the two, I'm giving the win to Jinn based on it.

Ulic has - fought an army of Nadist along side other Jedi, stalemated Kun, deflected several blaster bolts, appeared to be multiple placed at once, defeated Warb-Null, defeated Mandalore, defeated Cay Qel-Droma (though with circumstances involved), defeated Satal Keto, etc. He doesn't have many Force showing, the only things that comes to mind atm is Ulic releasing a wave of energy that crumbled the brace he was restrained in.

I say Ulic should take this - though it may be bias on my part because I love Ulic - and loathe Jinn.

@aonosawada: By what margin? Just for numbers sake.

@whirlwind_33: @aonosawada: Yeah, I'm with Ulic here. Qui-Gon's stamina especially isn't helping him one bit against an opponent with that type of track record. Ulic 7/10.

Ulic

@erkan12 what do you think?

I always was confused in Qui Gon fights do we use the Qui Gon that was shown in PM or Prime?

I could see Qui-gon's stamina being a negative factor here, yes. I think it would marginal one in the beginning, seeing as how he did last pretty long against a faster and stronger opponent(Maul). Even if though he had Obi-wan helping him. Plus he is skilled/experienced enough to reserve his energy when needed.

Anyways, this is my thread, so I don't want to debate on it. That's for you guys to do. Haha

@whirlwind_33: Fair enough manski.

@beezlebub: Using feats for both.

@i_like_swords: bump.

I bet if this thread involved Vader, Starkiller or Revan there would be 3 pages of comments. SMH

Can confirm.

@whirlwind_33: Yep.. its sad.

Check out my Malgus vs Savage thread tho.

@jaken7 you aswell.

This should be something of a stalemate, in my opinion.

To elucidate, Qui-Gon should be at least as skilled based on his accolade as one of the most skilled Jedi in the history of the Order itself, and his feats could be potentially better.

I'd mark them as equals in every category otherwise, although speed and strength might go to Qui-Gon, which is funny because, IIRC, Qel-Droma seemed to utilize Djem So.

@shootingnova: *nods in agreement*

My guess is you're judging the fight mostly based on saber skill and dueling prowess, which we all agree is what determines most fights anyway. I agree they should be equal in that regard, as well as physical traits, and Jinn quite possibly has better feats.

Question? How do you think their force abilities and Qui-gon's stamina will come into play?

@whirlwind_33: Qui-Gon's stamina isn't bad. He lasted a decent time against Maul in the Naboo duel on his own, which is saying quite a bit. Maul is faster, more skilled and stronger than Qel-Droma in addition to having more martial and tactical ability in the thick of personal combat. TK might not matter that much but I could see an edge for Qui-Gon, if only for my lack of memory of Ulic's Force based feats (I don't recall them being impressive, though). I recall him pushing other Force sensitives, so he might be on par with Jinn, I suppose. I can't recall anything else.

Also, just a question - how exactly did I inspire you to create this thread?

If this is Sith lord Ulic, he is really strong, though Qui-Gon can hold himself for a while thats for sure.

Jedi Ulic, better match, Qui-Gon can win 4 / 5 of 10.

Why would Ulic stomp Qui-Gon?

I meant the sith lord Ulic (still not a stomp 8 or 9 /10) , but jedi Ulic probably equal to him.

@erkan12: Why would any version of Qel-Droma win such a large majority over Jinn?

Mostly because Sith granted him superior force powers.

And defeating Mandalore the Ultimate and stalemating with Exar Kun another impressive feats.

@erkan12: Ulic never fought Mandalore the Ultimate. He defeated Mandalore the Indomitable, a non-Force sensitive, and that wasn't even by virtue of lightsaber prowess. Stalemating Exar Kun while Kun only had one blade is, I suppose, decent. However, it shouldn't be outright superior to Jinn's. All of Exar Kun's victories by virtue of blade - Vodo-Siosk Baas, Craydo, Sylvar - were all featless. They had absolutely no demonstrable showings to mark themselves as superior to or even on par with Jinn at all.

Also, Ulic pushing away Tott Doneeta and Cay Qel-Droma is good, but it shouldn't be above Qui-Gon's telekinetic feats.

When you said that Ulic and Qui-gon should be roughly equal to each other on a thread I made a while back. Also the Qui-gon respect thread you made left me really impressed with his abilities.

Qui-gon wins 10/10 because his character actually exist

T-T God damn it!

You gonna say that on every EU thread? LOL.

Yes because its true and now Sidious cannon create black holes. T-T

@shootingnova: Not really. I'm only saying it cause I'm pissed off. I don't disregard the awesome stories and character development outside the film. It's just their feats are worthless on battle threads, I guess. I'm going to read some Star Wars novels/comics now because they are still awesome.

Which he could never do anyways.

@whirlwind_33: Not all of it is going.

He could create hyperspace wormholes which are pretty much black wholes. XD

All of it except the movies the books about the movies and SWTCW are going right?

Jesus Christ. What the hell were you all thinking 10 months ago?