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#1 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Boken (7757 posts) - - Show Bio

quasar.

#3 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Well the Quantum Bands are limitless and I belive that it can also absorb energy. So it could absorb all of the rings energy. While Hal could do the same to Quasar, Quasar won't run out of energy. So my vote is for Quasar for that reason.

#4 Posted by Boken (7757 posts) - - Show Bio

quasar also controls all energy.

#5 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Abilities of the Quantum Bands

Energy Manipulation: Primarily, the bands are tools for manipulating forms of energy. A bearer of the quantum-bands can affect, alter, absorb, and channel any form of energy found in the Electromagnetic spectrum, from Gamma Rays to Radio Waves, and this also includes visible light. Quasar once absorbed and released the entire energy output of a star, funneling the radiation, and nuclear fusion, passing entirely through the bands. So great is the bands ability to absorb and control energy that most other energy manipulators (The Presence, Jack of Hearts, Living Laser… etc.) cannot come close to overwhelming the bands, only truly powerful energy manipulators (Silver Surfer, Thanos, or Galactus… etc.) are capable of such a feat. The energy output of the bands is generally appears to be yellow in color, but since the bands have mastery of the entire EM spectrum, presumably a weilder could change the color of the energy at will. It is unknown why the energy seems to default to the yellow area of the visible band.

Energy Constructs: The bands can construct anything the wearer can imagine from "Quantum energy". The more care the bearer takes in the creation of a construct, the stronger and more durable it is. A practiced bearer can alter the mass of the constructs so that they have the consistency of molasses or to be lighter than air. These constructs last indefinitely or until the bearer reabsorbs the construct into the Q-bands.

Flight: The bands allow the bearer to fly in atmosphere or in space (surrounding the wearer in an energy aura to protect from the vacuum of space), and can achieve incredible speeds (Quasar once flew from New York Harbor to the Sea of Tranquility in under 5 minutes).

Teleportation: They also enable the bearer to quantum jump or create apertures between the fabric of space/time of various sizes in the actual world of matter and energy and the potential world of matter and energy that is the quantum zone. He can then travel through this trackless featureless zone and emerge at a different point in our physical space light years away from his starting point only seconds later. His quantum-bands enable him to keep his bearings while in the zone and thus emerge where he wants to. He can cross countless light years in a single jump, if he so desires. Important note, however, he cannot quantum-jump within an atmosphere without tearing a hole in its ozone layer. Quasar has on one occasion used his Quantum-jump ability to simultaniously send one Avengers Quinjet to Kree space; another to the Shi'ar galaxy.

Communications: The bands can detect, emit, and receive radio waves; thereby the bearer can communicate with other radio receivers. The bands can also create a “Quantum-link” which appears as a glowing golden sphere about 2 inches in diameter, which travels to the point of contact at warp speeds and connects with any communication device present allowing the bearer to carry on near-instantaneous communications even over extra-galactic distances.

Altered Metabolism: One previous bearer of the Quantum bands(Marvel Boy) has been known to be able to augment his strength and stamina to unknown limits with the Quantum-bands. Quasar himself rarely exibited this ability and only when it was needed. He once physically restrained She-Hulk by himself, whether this was a statement of his physical strength or her own restraint is unknown, though she seemed to struggle against him.

Limitations:

Worthiness: Similar to the hammer of Thor, a bearer of the Quantum-Bands must to be worthy. As the Quantum-Bands are tied to the station of the Protector of the Universe, the bands seem to require a calm mind lacking ‘killer instinct’ to learn to use them to their fullest potential. A bearer with the intent to commit acts of depravity and destruction will quickly find himself losing control of the energy output of the bands until they disintigrate him.

Magic: The Bands cannot absorb it or resist it. However, an enchanted physical object will only be as strong as the object itself would otherwise be. Therefore, Mjolnir will simply not shatter Quasar's forcefield like glass. Fortunately, magicians have no control over the energies he manipulates so, it evens out.

Extradimensional energy: Quasar is susceptible to all persons using Darkforce. His Q-bands cannot create constructs to hold or resist darkforce energy. The Darkforce penetrates his energy like it wasn't even there. Also entities from the Negative-Zone (such as Annihilus) can corrupt the bands if wearing them, rendering the worthiness clause nullified.

VS.

Abilities of the Rings

Artificial Intelligence: Every ring has a connection to the Main Battery on Oa, which taps into an artificial intelligence. It acts as an "on-board computer," telling the wearer what they need to know. It can either respond out loud, or silently directly to the wearer's mind. The AI contains a large database of information that may be crucial to a Lantern's success. The ring also translates nearly every language to and from the wearer, which is why the Corps can communicate with each other. When the bearer of a Green Lantern ring dies, the ring will seek out a suitable replacement for their sector.

Communicator: The ring can act as a personal communicator between Green Lanterns.

Costumes: The wearer of the ring may create any costume they choose, based on their personal preferences, whenever they choose. The ring projects the costume over any clothes already worn at the time.

Energy Beams, Bubbles, Force-Fields, and Blasts: The rings can also project beams, form protective bubbles and force fields, and fire destructive blasts. Sometimes, depending on the wearer, the beams and blasts make sounds. Kilowog's ring is one such example of blasts making sounds.

Energy Constructs: The rings can construct anything the wearer can imagine from hard-light energy, as long as they are willing to make it. The more determined the wearer is, the more complex and intricate these things can be. The constructs can even be so complex as to form working machines, computers, and even people.

Flight: The ring allows the wearer to fly in atmosphere or in space, and can achieve incredible speeds, moving from planet to planet in a matter of hours.

Radiation Besides light based radiation used to create the energy constructs associated with a Green Lantern, the ring can simulate various forms of radiation. One example of this is the ability to simulate the radiation of Green Kryptonite, a form of radiation that is harmful to Superman.

Recharging The rings need to be recharged by means of a Power Battery. Other large sources of power may be used to recharge a power ring, however effectiveness may vary. The internal power source of a Manhunter is, in effect, the same as a power battery, and can be used to recharge a power ring. During the Avengers crossover, a Cosmic Cube was used to recharge a depleted ring, although this is not an ideal solution and is available if there are no other options.

Ring Duplication: Each ring can duplicate itself, creating a second ring which may be given to another as a backup, for protection, or to help the lantern in times of great need. This duplicate ring must is exactly like a normal ring.

#6 Posted by Boken (7757 posts) - - Show Bio

wait don't the band kill the posseser if used to much or somthing like that.

#7 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Quasar.

Quasar has more energy at his disposal. The Quantum-bands don't require a recharge, ever.

Quasar does it in yellow, most rookie GL's still can't effect anything yellow, and even Hal has to confront his greatest fear (watching his father die in a plane crash) in order to do it, not exactly the best thing in the heat of combat.

The Quantum-bands are much more versatile, they have more uses than the Power Ring.

While Hal has only one edge over Wendell, Experience. It would be akin to a fight between Hal and Kyle, but it would be Hal's willpower matched against the infinite power of the Quantum-bands.

#8 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Lord Boken says:

"wait don't the band kill the posseser if used to much or somthing like that."

Worthiness: Similar to the hammer of Thor, a bearer of the Quantum-Bands must to be worthy. As the Quantum-Bands are tied to the station of the Protector of the Universe, the bands seem to require a calm mind lacking ‘killer instinct’ to learn to use them to their fullest potential. A bearer with the intent to commit acts of depravity and destruction will quickly find himself losing control of the energy output of the bands until they disintigrate him.

#9 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn

#10 Posted by Boken (7757 posts) - - Show Bio

i forgot about the green lantern's little no yellow rule. does any one know the reason why?

#11 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn

#12 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

It was because Parallax was trapped in the Main Power Battery on Oa for millenia, becoming a weakness to the 'color of fear'.

That's how it was retconned for GL: Rebirth anyway.

#13 Posted by Boken (7757 posts) - - Show Bio

so the color of fear is yellow, interesting.

#14 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

That's kinda cool and wierd all together.

#15 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

I just read about Parallax. He's just fear in its purest form. (hence the saying of being a yellow belly). If you can just have a mental block, Parallax won't effect you.

#17 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Sadly, Hal didn't.

#18 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal could've just gone to go get his mind blocked.

#19 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah but the Question is who would win.

Hal can beat yellow now but Quasar has unlimited energy.

it would be another GL sinestro fight.

#20 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

The Quantum-bands aren't quite the same as a Qwardian Power Ring, but I see your point.

Yes, Hal can affect the color yellow, but it taxes him to do so, which largely puts Hal on the defensive against Quasar.

There aren't alot of ways to win a fight if you're stuck on the defensive the whole time.

In the end, Quasar over-powers him when Hal's ring runs low on power if not before-hand.
Post Edited:2007-06-13 17:12:35

#21 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"The Quantum-bands aren't quite the same as a Qwardian Power Ring, but I see your point. Yes, Hal *can* affect the color yellow, but it taxes him to do so, which largely puts Hal on the defensive against Quasar. There aren't alot of ways to win a fight if you're stuck on the defensive the whole time. In the end, Quasar over-powers him when Hal's ring runs low on power if not before-hand.
Post Edited:2007-06-13 17:11:09"

Touche

#22 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

not really i think Quasar could have it.

but it could be debated

#23 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

It's probably not a fight Quaze would win everytime, he'd probably win about 70% of the time depending on the circumstances. I think the yellow aspect gives Quasar a strong edge.

If you had said Quasar vs. Kyle Rayner it'd be totally different as Kyle never had the 'Yellow weakness'.

#24 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the gl no longer had that weakness, anymore after finding out where it came from?
Post Edited:2007-06-14 09:23:45

#25 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"The Quantum-bands aren't quite the same as a Qwardian Power Ring, but I see your point. Yes, Hal *can* affect the color yellow, but it taxes him to do so, which largely puts Hal on the defensive against Quasar. There aren't alot of ways to win a fight if you're stuck on the defensive the whole time. In the end, Quasar over-powers him when Hal's ring runs low on power if not before-hand.
Post Edited:2007-06-13 17:12:35"
#26 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah thanks

#27 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Really, what it comes down to is that the 'quaze' in Satyrquaze is actually short for Quasar. Therefore he wins every battle. ;)

#28 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice. Quasar can also just stay next to the sun, and attack.

#29 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

it doesn't tax Hal to affect Yellow since the 'impurity' has been overcome with his 'fearlessness'

my moneys on Hal for this one, just a quick example, he creates a pocket universe around Quasar and seals it off...

job done, time taken? under a minute

#30 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Lantern can create a Pocket Universe? It's possible to make a pocket Universe?

#31 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

yeppers, most Green Lanterns use create one to keep their lanterns in so they can access them from whereever they want and at whatever time they want :D

also bare in mind that a green lantern can split atoms with a thought, creating an atomic bomb blast...

all Hal has to do is shield himself from the blast, easy feat for a GL...

he can throw hundreds, or thousands of them at his enemy, vampirising them instantly...

or how about this one?

Hal uses his ring to take Quasar apart at the atomic level...

he's done it before...

"Maybe i put you back together right, maybe i don't..."

don't mess with a GL, they are stupidly hard :p

#32 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

ORACLE says:

"it doesn't tax Hal to affect Yellow since the 'impurity' has been overcome with his 'fearlessness' my moneys on Hal for this one, just a quick example, he creates a pocket universe around Quasar and seals it off... job done, time taken? under a minute"

According to GL:Rebrith and subsequent issues Hal and every other Lantern has to confront his/her own fear in order to affect anything the color yellow.

In about the same amount of time as you say Hal can trap Quasar in a pocket universe Quasar could absorb a Power Ring's charge into the Quantum Bands.

#33 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal, Kyle and Alan are immune to the fear impurity...

this was addressed in the TPB 'Fear Itself' :D

#34 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

In recent issues of Green Lantern (current series) he's reminding Lanterns how to overcome fear.

#35 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmm... have to address that then, maybe it's been retconned...

Hal, Kyle and Alan all faced Fear itself and overcame it in the TPB i mentioned...

also Hal is shown affecting yellow quite happily at the end of the Rebirth series, not to mention that his ring can protect himself from ANY physical danger automatically, including Yellow dangers, this was shown in the weird time travel issues with Hal, Kyle and Parallax (Hal) meeting up from various points in the timeline.

#36 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Based upon everything the Q-bands are capable of Quasar can split atoms as well, not that it makes any difference to someone who can hang out within a star's corona and channel the total energy of a star.

#37 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Hal has flown through a star before...

just bring this up lol, and GL can quite happily fly through a Star, all they have to do is create construct that channels the Energy of the star into whatever they want...

quite an easy feat for any GL, more advanced GL's could quite easily collapse the star and use the subsequent black hole as a weapon (killowog did this several times pre crisis)

#38 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

ORACLE says:

"hmmm... have to address that then, maybe it's been retconned... Hal, Kyle and Alan all faced Fear itself and overcame it in the TPB i mentioned... also Hal is shown affecting yellow quite happily at the end of the Rebirth series, not to mention that his ring can protect himself from *ANY* physical danger automatically, including Yellow dangers, this was shown in the weird time travel issues with Hal, Kyle and Parallax (Hal) meeting up from various points in the timeline."

I think it's #1 of the current GL series he says to John Stewart "Just... remember fear." as they are trying to breach a yellow ship with no obvious entrance in orbit of earth.

#39 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmm... thanks for the tip, i'll have to check weather the Yellow 'fear' weakness has been retconned...

#40 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

ORACLE says:

"Hal has flown through a star before... just bring this up lol, and GL can quite happily fly through a Star, all they have to do is create construct that channels the Energy of the star into whatever they want... quite an easy feat for any GL, more advanced GL's could quite easily collapse the star and use the subsequent black hole as a weapon (killowog did this several times pre crisis)"

I don't think Quaze has ever tried to collapse a star, but I believe when he channelled the energy of a star keeping from collapsing was part of the difficulty of it.

#41 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly think that Wendell would find an easier time fighting Hal than he would say, Kyle, as Kyle never had a yellow weakness until 'Rebirth', then he became the Ion shortly thereafter.

#42 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Kyle's kinda out of Quasars league.

i'd rather see ion fight the silver surfer.

#43 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd have to say Quasar due to the argument presented. It was stated earlier in this thread that Quasar can absorb GL's energy, so being there's that and the whole Solar power thing going on, I have to go for Quasar.

#44 Posted by Magicalmoment (1516 posts) - - Show Bio

i think that hal would win

#45 Posted by King Saturn (224434 posts) - - Show Bio
Hmmm...good fight. I think Hal could win here in a very tough fight with Quasar
#46 Posted by The Man of Tomorrow (403 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm taking Hal here.

#47 Posted by King Saturn (224434 posts) - - Show Bio
Quasar would give Hal all kinds of trouble here though
#48 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Tomorrow said:
"I'm taking Hal here.
"
Hal doesn't have a chance....at all.
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#49 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

im still going to back Hal, for the fact that he has overcome some pretty devastating odds and quasar did die in the annihilation wave.

#50 Posted by Vance Astro (91286 posts) - - Show Bio
acewasp23 said:
"im still going to back Hal, for the fact that he has overcome some pretty devastating odds and quasar did die in the annihilation wave. "
I'm going back to Quasar for the fact he could easily drain Hal of all his energy.
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