All Character with Expanded Universe are allowed there EU feats.
No Mind Raping (Shutting Brains Off), or Soul Raping (Sucking Souls Out) for any character. Basically you cannot KO someone with a Mental/Soul attack. All other Mental/Soul attacks are fine, but limited to one person at a time. Cannot affect a whole group per say.
Time Manipulation is limited your you character who has it only. No affecting the battlefield, no affecting opponents. Can not Increase speed past Hypersonic.
No character is allowed to use Reality Warping ever.
Gear must remain Street Level. You can have Pets, but limited to only 3, and they must be standard. Pets cannot exceed Ultimate Spider Man.
Mile long in all direction Battlefield, cannot BFR.
Everyone is In Character, but all rivalries are put on hold.
Death, KO, or Incap for wins.
Battlefield
Top Team is Red. Bottom Team is Blue. View Black Ops 2 Maps on Youtube for full breakdown of battlefield.
Just stating the obvious, we have the number advantage with 3 people on my team and 2 people on yours. I believe USAgent and Wolverine to be on same level. They have even fought together
Leaving my two archers for distance. You too have a distance attack guy in Cyclops, but I believe the combat field greatly diminishes the raw power Cyclops has for you guys, since I can not even dispute he has the best raw power on the battle, or else sink the ship, which we cannot do here.
Cyclops optic blast can also be neutralized by USAgent. Im sure you know, but incase you dont, USAgent was a replacement Captain America. He is stronger though and a tad bit more savage, lol. His shield has changed over the years from Vibranium, to photon energy, to composite metal but he is back to Vibranium as of Dark Avengers
You might be asking how is this relevant. Well USAgent is the stronger Captain America, even when Steve Rogers had the Super Soldier Serum, which he doesnt have anymore since the Streets of Poison storyline arc years ago. Even so, Steve was able to do this through optic blast
Here is Tony Stark commanding the IronMan armor vs USAgent. See Stark's comments about USAgent.
Now that my opening for USAgent is out there, now to my archers
Ultimate Hawkeye is more ruthless than 616 Hawkeye, though as a HUGE Hawkeye fan I always claim that 616 has better arrows
Ultimate Hawkeye has the better vision
and he has the twitch factor
Now I believe the battle field is better suited for my archers due to they can shoot over the environment, its what arrows do
Just placing it out there, Ultimate Clint has fought against Sabertooth
Ultimate Clint also has these tranq bullets that tag SpiderMan
616 Hawkeye
Not to be outclassed by his Ultimate counterpart Clint is also a decent fighter himself along with his trick arrows.
Hurting Wrecking Crew
He can ricochet his arrows and make them bend trajectory
Just stating the obvious again, but if USAgent can neutralize Cyclops optic blast, what also doesnt prevent us from using glue arrow with electro arrow (which has taken out IronMan, Abomination, Vision, Steve Rogers, Living Lightning)
Here is Clint taken out Daken with a head shot. He was mad (bloodlusted here)
Now you probably will say that Daken doesnt have an adamantium laced skull. Does it matter when 616 Clint has Anit Metal (vibranium arctic grade) arrow
Incase you dont know what arctic vibranium does, its an adamantium buster on the atomic level as broken down here
@sophia89: The new site interworkings are still a little glitchy. Instead of just clicking on the pic (which wont work right now), right click and open it to a new tab. The pics will show there.
anyways while my team doesnt know who we are fighting we have wolverine,with his sense of smell we will know we are fighting usa agent+hawkeye(if ulitame hawkeye smell like his alt self then we know him too).
now how does that help us? easy,i dont know if you know but wolverine is really stealthy and with all of his senses hightened there is no escaping him or sneaking up on him.
so wolverine uses the ship to hide and go after your team in stealth mode.
I think knowing who your opponents is ahead of time only give you a minor advantage concerning the battle. If we had prep that might be a different story but we dont.
I think the the way the ship is shaped greatly diminishes Logan's "stealth mode". Wolverine can only hide behind obstacles and walls. The ship's deck pretty much forces the battle into alleyways and open view deck. Logan can only hide as stated behind the obstacles and walls. He cant turn invisible. He cant teleport. Also, all my guys have some form of tactical, para military training.
Are you splitting Wolverine and Cyclops? It doesnt have to go that way but I believe that makes Cyclops in a bad spot but just stating it tactically.
I dont know how the battle will turn out but I think its safe to say Hawkeyes will try to keep things at a distance. Hawkeye has fought as Ronin and Captain America. Ultimate Clint is good too at H2H. But Im relying more of a combo of glue arrow to the feet, electro arrow to the chest or tranq bullets to the body. We also have constricto arrow, which Vision snapped but Vision has shown more strength than Wolverine. And reaction speed vs Pym arrows of death is to swat all of them. 616 Clint usually usually just drops a bunch of trick arrows and nullifies you by trickery.
USAgent is also an adept fighter with his superior strength. Here are scans of USAgent catching SpiderMans attack in the dark when he didnt know who they were fighting and taking on Tigra.
You might be saying why mention Tigra but Greer does gets her shots in. Here is Moon Knight comparing how all 3 of them are all vicious in mentality
now if your team decide to shoot arrows in the air cyclops will easily shoot them down(cyclops also has really nice reaction time)
he is also an expert in h2h should one of your team closes in and forces him to close quater combat
Im not denying Cyclops could just nuke both Hawkeye's stuff, but Cyclops is a sight and attack kind of dude. Both Cyclops and Clint are long term heroes. Hawkeye even took out Archangel with some plot device but still managed to dodge Angel's metal wings, and Angel is hypersonic. If it is USAgent vs Cyclops I believe it will be a short fight with USAgent coming out on top. USAgent has mega durability feats. In a H2H fight, I dont think Cyclops will beat anyone in a fist fight. He is capable but not better than anyone on my team here.
This is also another fave of mine from USAgent. During Thunderbolts he was the warden with a missing leg and arm and still owned the criminals trying to break out
I@cadencev2 I dont know if its allowed but Hawkeye can always Giant Man out with his Pym particles and just swat your team away. His strength in Giant Man us dependent on his size but Ckint would have to go max height and even than he would only be a 50 tonner. His usual strength feats is around 20-30 tons in this form
Im trying to show alot of USAgent here since it was requested by my homeboy @sovereign91001 . Im still putting together USAgent Captain America and Force Works scans but Ive always liked the dude (USAgent) ((Sovereign is cool too, lol))
USAgent also has a energy rod that he has fought Ronan the Accuser, has a side gun on his right leg, and incase you didnt know, his new arm and leg is part of his suit which is part of the Venom symbiote. Its going to get real ugly for your team
Im sorry for the large pics. Its why I spoiler blocked them since you were having trouble looking at the scans. Your turn. Most of these scans are from my collection so Im having to find these and scan them.
@cadencev2: yes, USAgent got the Venom symbiote in Dark Avengers from another dimension Hank Pym. Its in his comicvine bio. That is why I thought you wanted to see USAgent cuz he just recently got the symbiote. Its new so feats are minimal.Is that a problem with the point system? How much was Flash with Venom worth?
@cadencev2: yes, USAgent got the Venom symbiote in Dark Avengers from another dimension Hank Pym. Its in his comicvine bio. That is why I thought you wanted to see USAgent cuz he just recently got the symbiote. Its new so feats are minimal.Is that a problem with the point system? How much was Flash with Venom worth?
Keep it rolling, I just never knew this. Pretty sweet.
@sophia89@boschepg it's a shame this was so short, you guys seemed like you had a lot of places you could go with your cases. Anywho based on what's here, here is how I see it:
I'm Giving this one to Bosche, he started strong and set the debate off on a 'here I am and this is what I do' note. He convinced me that his archers would be the difference maker and their versatility coupled with 1610 Clint's speed would put enough pressure on Sophia's team to handle either Logan or Scott.
The problem for me was that this seemed like a bad matchup for Sophia's team on either side; I was convinced that the archers are capable of dealing with either character together and US agent can either hold out until they cleaned up or in the case of Scott he may be able to out right beat him.
That said Sophia put up a solid fight and made a strong case out off what was imo a bad matchup so you definitely deserve credit for that.
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