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@pierpat: Let me start with this. I figured we can go slowly with one point/ counter point
Since I cant open in speed blitz for the 1st ten seconds, Ill let Yamamoto disable Magneto. Magnetic fields loose their force with intense heat. Google it.
Yamamoto can encircle your team with immense heat. You know this. Below is the first appearance of his shikai, Ryūjin Jakka. Here is Shunsui and Ukitake quaking, even though Shunsui has colors and Ukitake can redirect energy
Here is a vid incase readers want to actually see the vid example. I think you will agree that the vid stays true to the manga
I can even Bankai (East-West-North-South)
This immense heat wipes out all moisture in the air in the city wide area like the Sereitei, which you know took 3 days just to get to Gate to Center of Sereitei. Killing plant life, drying lips, even not allowing Toshiro to use his ice shikai/bankai (lets be real, Toshiro bankais quickest to battle in the entire Bleach series, Lol) (This is Bankai East)
Now Bankai West is very very hot. As hot as the sun. As the scans show below, it gets to 15 million degrees
your turn?
I think Magneto isnt magnetizing anything in this field. Juggs and Apocalypse may be a different story, but I wanted to lead with this one point. Awaiting your counter and point of attack
Let me start with this. I figured we can go slowly with one point/ counter point
Nice idea, i will anyway post a short presentation about my three characters,i'm far too used with it, then we'll continue with your point/counter point Idea.
Made up of two mutants and a former x-man, mine is a solid and balanced team with an excess of telekinesis and physical strenght, and with an outstanding durability.
Cain Marki,The avatar of cyttorak. The Juggernaut.
Well, we all know, Nothing stops the Juggernaut.
When he has the full backup of the cyttorak, he has a force field invulnerable to physical force surrounding him, and even without it, he's easily capable of withstanding blows from great powerhouses like Thor or World War Hulk.He also has an incredible regenerating factor, and a great superhuman strength.
The Master of Electromagnetism, he is capable of manipulating every form of energy in the electromagnetic Spectrum.
With incredible reaction feats, and powers to move starship-sized bullets from lightyears away, he's a true telekinetic god.
He is also a genius, capable of analyzing his enemy really fast and create elaborated plans.
A thousand year old mutant, Apocalypse has the widest arrange of powers in this fight thanks to his Mutant Abilities and his Celestial technology.
From telekinesis to telepathy, from super speed to regeneration, he has it.
A casual team buster, he has often soloed X-men teams and fought great powerhouses.
Now, let's go on with point/counter point.
@pierpat: Let me start with this. I figured we can go slowly with one point/ counter point
Since I cant open in speed blitz for the 1st ten seconds, Ill let Yamamoto disable Magneto. Magnetic fields loose their force with intense heat. Google it.
Yamamoto can encircle your team with immense heat. You know this. Below is the first appearance of his shikai, Ryūjin Jakka. Here is Shunsui and Ukitake quaking, even though Shunsui has colors and Ukitake can redirect energy
Here is a vid incase readers want to actually see the vid example. I think you will agree that the vid stays true to the manga
I can even Bankai (East-West-North-South)
This immense heat wipes out all moisture in the air in the city wide area like the Sereitei, which you know took 3 days just to get to Gate to Center of Sereitei. Killing plant life, drying lips, even not allowing Toshiro to use his ice shikai/bankai (lets be real, Toshiro bankais quickest to battle in the entire Bleach series, Lol) (This is Bankai East)
Now Bankai West is very very hot. As hot as the sun. As the scans show below, it gets to 15 million degrees
your turn?
I think Magneto isnt magnetizing anything in this field. Juggs and Apocalypse may be a different story, but I wanted to lead with this one point. Awaiting your counter and point of attack
YOu where referring to the Curie temperature i suppose.
Sad that Magneto does not need something to have magnetic proprieties to control it.
Even if his main power is magnetism manipulation, his power is control of every energy in the electromagnetic spectrum.
Every atom is hold together by electromagnetic forces.
Here's a few scans of Magneto not controlling only metals:
Controlling Electricity, better than Storm who is known for town-to city level thunder generation:
Magneto controlling Photons to create a shield:
Toppling a whole mountain:
And,best of the best for the "extreme heat blocks magneto" argument, creating a volcano!:
P.S. I am normally against using classic feats for marvel characters, but OP states "Peak Power" Magneto, so i will and have use/d them.
That was my counter point.
My turn to make a point i guess.
Apocalypse is a first level telepath.And it's really first level.
Beating Xavier and Green phoenix Jean in TP:
Completely scans a mind in a split secs:
I'd like to know how you're team will block team.
In my next post i'll make a longer presentation of my teams ability and post my tactic.
Your turn.
@cadencev2 Amazed you're interested by this battle.
@pierpat: This is going to be good. Ill break it down with two separate sections. A reply to your counter and a counter to your attack. Ill place a spoiler block on the things on the reply so the page doesnt get too long either
Yes I was referring to the Curie temperature. I can even post scans of it working in comic universe if you want?
To rebut your counter.
You know that I know that Yamamoto has tanked lightning before. Three times. For the readers that havent read it, Yamamoto's vice captain (lieutenant), Chojiro, has a bankai that does lightning. Here are scans of Yamamoto tanking lightning
As the Curie temperature suggest, electrons lose their hold on the atom in extreme temperatures. This is all hypothetical since Yamamoto and Magneto are in different universes, but it would lead me to believe that your force field would lose strength against such heat. And then with the concentrated heat of 15 million degrees, I believe it will cut through any force field since it ends everything it touches. Im just giving you my scientific approach as to why his bankai ends everything. Its pretty much slicing through your atoms since the heat is dispersing the electrons
here is Yamamoto tanking energy blast and dispersing it with his heat (Yamamoto is a straight G)
- your mountain crush is legit, but my dudes do acheive supersonic level with shunpo. Im also doubting that ruble will survive the heat either since the Earth's core is predicted to be just molten rock
- Magneto feats at tanking lava isnt on par with the heat Yamamoto since lava doesnt run as hot as Yamamoto
This is a sticky subject with me regarding TP. It doesnt exist in Bleach-verse so I dont know how it would react to the Shinigami. They are basically just spirits. Does TP work on Ghost Rider or Deadman? There are a few people that do things close to it with illusions and stuff like Ririn, Utagawa, Shinji, As Nodt, Aizen, and Tsukishima, but not straight TP.
That being said, TP usually goes to the indomitable spirit.
We all know Yamamoto just oozes with indomitable will
I do believe probably the astral plane exist in Bleach though. Ichigo talks with Zangetsu and Hollowed Ichigo all the time. Hollow Ichigo has stated early on that Ichigo is the King of his inner realm, while Zangetsu taught Ichigo how to control his inner world, all while Urahara and Tessai were trying to prevent a true Hollow in the real world. It all took place in his mind. Urahara and Tessai waiting in the real world, Zangetsu and Ichigo talking in just seconds in astral plane
You are probably wondering what Im trying to get at here with Ichigo. Im just stating that Ichigo's mind has alot of personas in there, Hollow Ichigo, Zangetsu (his Quincy) and Ichigo himself.
Now this brings me to Aizen. Aizen can see through illusions as he did with Shinji (my fave)
What does that have to do you may be asking? Well...Aizen power controls all five senses to have complete illusions.
You know who else does that in the Marvel universe...Fantomex. We all know that misdirection trumps TP in Marvel since the brain has to register the five senses in order to work, thus misdirection is faster then TP. Fantomex did his misdirection to people on another planet, Aizen did his for over 100 years. Fantomex did his misdirection on both Jean and Xavier too. Now I know I dont have Jean or Xavier in Bleach verse but I just wanted to show the similarities here. Aizen is beating Apocalypse and his TP due to AIzens own form of misdirection.
your turn
It seems as though we have picked Yamamoto vs Magneto and now Apocalypse with Aizen. Does that mean Ichigo is vs Juggernaut? You dont have to stick with 1 on 1 matchups in a team setting if you do not choose. Just have to show a counter
First of all, there is no Yamamoto vs magneto, i hate reducing team vs team to multiple 1vs1, it is not how team battles work.
Great ideas for the spoilers, i'll use it too to avoid kilo-metric posts.
First of all, your counter.
Temperature of Curie is not like: the more ho ->the less magnetic.
If it's at that temperature or over, it's not magnetic, if it's under, it is.
Yamamoto's bankai being 32 million or 32 thousand Celsius makes no difference at all in this particular context.
And magneto does not use magnetic fields to protect himself, he uses elctro-magnetic ones.
Magnetism:makes magnets work
Electro-magnetism:Makes atoms and molecules stay toghether.
Curie does not affect Electro-Magnetism, just plain magnetism, wich is a slim part of magneto's powers.
Magneto has other offensive manuvers, and the scar Yamamoto has on his forehead, and the points left after it did not defeat me, but........ Mean the Bankai did not defeat him, but it did surely wound him, it did have an affect.
Magneto controls Electricity better than storm(Scan in upper spoiler) and storm did this:
When you'll show me that lietenant creating city+ level electricity bolts(the least to harm Silver surfer) we can say Yamamoto will be capable to shrug off Magneto's.
And now, about TP.
Misdirection can help your team slowing Apocalypse, but, like with Jean/Xavier, telepathic awareness is a completely different sense from the normal five, so Apocalypse can still enter Aizen's mind, and stop him, even if he'll take a while.
And,btw, your Aizen does not have that power.
Here, we live on feats.
Aizen went thru a number of transformations, and once he got to the last, he never seemed able to use his original Shinkai.
Given that all his stats, even his being"trascending from the nature of Shinigami", what proof do we have he retained it.
And,even if he had it, why would he use it, given his powers and that in his only fight in that state he never used it?
This fight is in character.
I agree. Just wanted to make sure since this was the first time I have met you in battle
I just wanted to make sure I made it clear to the readers that the whole metal aspect of Magneto would be nullified by Curie, since it is the main part of Magento's character.
He does have other control but, the effect of electromagentism is also effected by heat.
Inside the Sun, electrons are stripped from the protons by the sun´s intense heat. It has already been stated that Yamamoto's bankai produces the same heat as the su (27 million degrees F)
Electron flow and heat and Ohms law state that
The motion of an electron can be separated into two components: 1) rapid motion driven by temperature
Though Magneto does use the EM spectrum:
as I try to state, he may be able to manipulate the EM field but the constant law of physics state that that the electrons would scatter. To disregard the physic fact and state that Magneto could still manipulate the electron flow of an atom in intense heat would mean to redefine the character himself, and state that Magneto is on level of molecular manipulation which he is not. Magneto is defined by EM manipulation. Not molecular manipulation. So I think the fact that Yamamoto being able to achieve sun level temperature would mean alot to slow down your control of electron control
We all know that any human KOing the Silver Surfer is widely considered PIS on the Vine. I see TChalla was also with her and we all know Black Panther soloed Surfer, and is considered PIS as well. (and I dont throw around PIS often)
Also, ABC logic does not work in any battle scenario. Just because the 76ers beat the Heat and the Warriors beat the 76ers, it doesnt mean that the Warriors will beat the Heat. Same goes for Magneto>Storm, Storm>Silver Surfer, Magneto vs Silver Surfer means nothing unless shown.
Magneto has other offensive manuvers, and the scar Yamamoto has on his forehead, and the points left after it did not defeat me, but........ Mean the Bankai did not defeat him, but it did surely wound him, it did have an affect.
IMO, out of the three times lightning has been used on Yamamoto, to say he has only suffered a 3 inch scar on his forehead does not diminish the feat of Yamamoto to tank such a feat. 3 times and only one scar is still tanking. Also, he achieved the scar when he didnt know what Chojiro's Bankai could do.
Aizen does have that ability. The scan complete describes what Kyouka Suigetsu does. Look at the definition of Fantomex's misdirection and you get the same definition. The only difference is that Aizen is in Bleach verse and Fantomex in Marvel verse. I can only extrapolate the feat between universes (really thats all we really can do when DC fights Image and so forth) but misdirection is always faster than TP. I will allow the readers to decide that though. Im just stating facts.
Just to let you know I took a small sabatacle here on the Vine just improving my knowledge on manga. It was around 4 months and all I did was focus on manga, and Bleach being my main focus. So we both know Bleach.
We do live on feats but, Im also allowing your 616 Apocalypse feats in your scans though you have AoA Apocalypse do to the OP says peak and Im a kind hearted person and I will believe that those scans happened before Legion killed Xavier.
For Aizen to have peak status would also mean that he has Kyouka Suigetsu. I will show that Aizen does still have Kyouka Suigetsu though even though he transended by Hygoyoku.
Here is Aizen about to fight Mugetsu Ichigo. This will lead to the reason Aizen didnt use Kyouka Suigetsu against Ichigo. Aizen basically orchestrated the life of Ichigo since the White Hollow slashed his mom (combining Hollow and Quincy) and Isshin was willing to become complete human to merge the human and shinigami DNA to cure Ichigo's mom with Urahara. Aizen allowed all that cuz he wanted to see the outcome. He orchestrated the whole events of Bleach for the 100 year span of Aizen's plan.
Now Aizen achieved the "higher" state, and as scans show, didnt consider Ichigo a threat for the entire Bleach series, and more importantly in the scan showing when he achieved higher state. Aizen thought he didnt have to use any abilities on Ichigo since he constantly beat Ichigo which is just PD which morphed into PIS. Aizen doubts the evolution of Ichigo even if he did get a higher state himself. And once Aizen realized Ichigo achieved a higher state he was mad that a human was able to achieve it. In character, Aizen always uses Kyouka Suigetsu
here is Aizen diminishing Ichigo again. Everytime they fight he doesnt think Ichigo is worthy cuz he basically created Ichigo
now you are referring to these scans when Aizen dissolved his zanpakuto cuz he figured what the next level of the zanpakuto was (issues 418-421)
Aizen didnt dissolve his sword cuz he think he didnt need it. He absorbed it as shown below (issues post 500 during Quincy invasion). He is still able to use his misdirection even though he doesnt have his sword (cuz its absorbed) and even sealed under Division 1 prison, he is able to use Kyouka Suigetsu on the Quincy king
you need any more proof Aizen still has it? And as stated, Aizen didnt use his misdirection cuz he has always whooped on Ichigo.
Now to throw this attack in, how about Kido 90 by transformed Aizen. Has enough power to simulate a black hole. Actually its gravity that can effect space/time.
Your turn?
I just wanted to make sure I made it clear to the readers that the whole metal aspect of Magneto would be nullified by Curie, since it is the main part of Magento's character.
He does have other control but, the effect of electromagentism is also effected by heat.
Inside the Sun, electrons are stripped from the protons by the sun´s intense heat. It has already been stated that Yamamoto's bankai produces the same heat as the su (27 million degrees F)
and Ohms law state that
The motion of an electron can be separated into two components: 1) rapid motion driven by temperature
Though Magneto does use the EM spectrum:
as I try to state, he may be able to manipulate the EM field but the constant law of physics state that that the electrons would scatter. To disregard the physic fact and state that Magneto could still manipulate the electron flow of an atom in intense heat would mean to redefine the character himself, and state that Magneto is on level of molecular manipulation which he is not. Magneto is defined by EM manipulation. Not molecular manipulation. So I think the fact that Yamamoto being able to achieve sun level temperature would mean alot to slow down your control of electron control
We all know that any human KOing the Silver Surfer is widely considered PIS on the Vine. I see TChalla was also with her and we all know Black Panther soloed Surfer, and is considered PIS as well. (and I dont throw around PIS often)
Also, ABC logic does not work in any battle scenario. Just because the 76ers beat the Heat and the Warriors beat the 76ers, it doesnt mean that the Warriors will beat the Heat. Same goes for Magneto>Storm, Storm>Silver Surfer, Magneto vs Silver Surfer means nothing unless shown.
Magneto has other offensive manuvers, and the scar Yamamoto has on his forehead, and the points left after it did not defeat me, but........ Mean the Bankai did not defeat him, but it did surely wound him, it did have an affect.
IMO, out of the three times lightning has been used on Yamamoto, to say he has only suffered a 3 inch scar on his forehead does not diminish the feat of Yamamoto to tank such a feat. 3 times and only one scar is still tanking. Also, he achieved the scar when he didnt know what Chojiro's Bankai could do.
Aizen does have that ability. The scan complete describes what Kyouka Suigetsu does. Look at the definition of Fantomex's misdirection and you get the same definition. The only difference is that Aizen is in Bleach verse and Fantomex in Marvel verse. I can only extrapolate the feat between universes (really thats all we really can do when DC fights Image and so forth) but misdirection is always faster than TP. I will allow the readers to decide that though. Im just stating facts.
Just to let you know I took a small sabatacle here on the Vine just improving my knowledge on manga. It was around 4 months and all I did was focus on manga, and Bleach being my main focus. So we both know Bleach.
We do live on feats but, Im also allowing your 616 Apocalypse feats in your scans though you have AoA Apocalypse do to the OP says peak and Im a kind hearted person and I will believe that those scans happened before Legion killed Xavier.
For Aizen to have peak status would also mean that he has Kyouka Suigetsu. I will show that Aizen does still have Kyouka Suigetsu though even though he transended by Hygoyoku.
Here is Aizen about to fight Mugetsu Ichigo. This will lead to the reason Aizen didnt use Kyouka Suigetsu against Ichigo. Aizen basically orchestrated the life of Ichigo since the White Hollow slashed his mom (combining Hollow and Quincy) and Isshin was willing to become complete human to merge the human and shinigami DNA to cure Ichigo's mom with Urahara. Aizen allowed all that cuz he wanted to see the outcome. He orchestrated the whole events of Bleach for the 100 year span of Aizen's plan.
Now Aizen achieved the "higher" state, and as scans show, didnt consider Ichigo a threat for the entire Bleach series, and more importantly in the scan showing when he achieved higher state. Aizen thought he didnt have to use any abilities on Ichigo since he constantly beat Ichigo which is just PD which morphed into PIS. Aizen doubts the evolution of Ichigo even if he did get a higher state himself. And once Aizen realized Ichigo achieved a higher state he was mad that a human was able to achieve it. In character, Aizen always uses Kyouka Suigetsu
here is Aizen diminishing Ichigo again. Everytime they fight he doesnt think Ichigo is worthy cuz he basically created Ichigo
now you are referring to these scans when Aizen dissolved his zanpakuto cuz he figured what the next level of the zanpakuto was (issues 418-421)
Aizen didnt dissolve his sword cuz he think he didnt need it. He absorbed it as shown below (issues post 500 during Quincy invasion). He is still able to use his misdirection even though he doesnt have his sword (cuz its absorbed) and even sealed under Division 1 prison, he is able to use Kyouka Suigetsu on the Quincy king
you need any more proof Aizen still has it? And as stated, Aizen didnt use his misdirection cuz he has always whooped on Ichigo.
Now to throw this attack in, how about Kido 90 by transformed Aizen. Has enough power to simulate a black hole. Actually its gravity that can effect space/time.
Your turn?
First of all AoA Apocalypse has all powers of standard Apoc, so his feats as standard apoc are fully compatible.
About the ABC logic, i hate it too, but it's not what i'm using.
We can't say that if A>B and B>C A will surely be> to C because different powers, mindsets and morals interact differently.
But we can harmlessly use ABC when we're talking about certain and specific actions, not a full fight.
As if, A is faster than B, B is faster than C, A is surely faster than C.No doubt in that, if PIS/CIS/WIS was not involved.
Having a scar means that that type of attack can harm him, and i need no more, because i'll prove that Magneto can and will create thunder alot stronger than that lieutenant's feats.
Other than the SS feat, that imho is not PIS, we have multiple feats for great thunder capacity for storm:
i don't honestly get your point of why should still have his shinkai in transcended from, it's all OT to my eyes, transcended Aizen states he has new and completely different abilities, he never states or proofs he has his old shinkai, he even loses his zampakuto at the end of trasformation.....
Why should he have it, going by feats?
And now, let's go into the scientific discussion.
Electromagnetism is active in all molecules, and even in particles that tecnically don't have a mass(I.E. photons, check the already posted scan for magneton's proton shield).
So, even if electrons will be affected by heat , proton's won't, and that will be more than enough for magneto.
And finally, all the thing about the shinkai being like misdirection.
wrong.
Fantomex's power is described as "Reality Screwing", and it's a combination of mentality, link to Eva and movement reading.
Never stated it affected the 5 senses.
@pierpat: I figured Ill bump you since I think its still your turn and the site locks any post after two.
Im not fighting Storm. Im fighting Magneto but, there is no way to calculate the destructive force of the lightning. I think most readers are going to say lightning is lightning since you showed one scan of Silver Surfer getting hit by lightning. I have no clue what happens afterwards. Also the tanks and helicopters are getting hit by your scans but nothing else more.
Also, we both know Chojiro isnt on Vice Captain (Lieutenant) level. He only remained Yamamoto's Lieutenant cuz he didnt want to leave Yamamoto. Here is Byakuya even stating such. (if you ever want said stats about a person in Bleach, always quote Byakuya) He turned down Captain seats numerous times. He received a Captain's funeral. He was considered a Captain. And Yamamoto still tanked it x3 with just a scratch
Now what many may not know is that it takes years; around 5-10 years just to master it. And grows in strength over the years. Chojiro learned Bankai before Shunsui, Ukitake, Urahara and we havent even seen those three but they are all talked about with such reverence thats its ridiculous. Also, Shunsui and Ukitake are only a select few that can actually bear Yamamamoto's shikai . Meaning he learned bankai before Byakuya and others too. Meaning Chojiro's bankai wasnt garbage
i don't honestly get your point of why should still have his shinkai in transcended from, it's all OT to my eyes, transcended Aizen states he has new and completely different abilities, he never states or proofs he has his old shinkai, he even loses his zampakuto at the end of trasformation.....
Why should he have it, going by feats?
1- Aizen didnt lose his zanpakuto (issue 480ish). He absorbed his zanpakuto. Thats why I showed Aizen using his Suigetsu partially on the Quincy king (issue 510ish), which came after Hygoyaku Aizen. He still has Suigetsu
2- I was just stating that Aizen thought Hygoyaku level was so uber that he didnt need Suigetsu, which was pretty hax anyways. It was like when a person gets a new toy and wants to try it. He kept beating the Gotei 13 and Ichigo with Suigetsu he didnt need it. He didnt respect Ichigo...ever. SO when Urahara removed Hygoyaku, it has been shown that Aizen still has Suigetsu even without the sword...meaning he absorbed it.
3-remember, Im not even getting into his hax mode of peak level Aizen level, which is coming, like his high level regen on atomic level (since we are talking about stuff like that with Magneto) and the inability of your team to cast magic like Urahara did to stop Aizen. Unless thats why you have Apocalypse???
4- we all know Aizen Suigetsu is so confusing so Ill just post a short vid of Suigetsu in battle. Go to around 7:50 to see him. Shinjin (the wolf..well former wolf since 556) to this day Im trying to figure out who destroyed his Bankai since we all know they were fighting Momo, but they all lost in Suigetsu and felt everything. All Gotei 13 and Visards
@pierpat said:
As we all know protons are positively charged part of the atom while electrons are the negative charged part of the atom. Both are equal in most atoms. So if there are 52 protons there are 52 electrons. I think all but Im not the scientist in my family. My brother in-law is, lol. To furthur get in detail about pro-electron and pro-proton manipulation without the others is getting into Neutron star and white dwarf stars, which I think we will agree neither are on that level. Nor is my knowledge of it outside what I can find on google, lol. Point is, I doubt either have feats supporting such power
Anyways, this was just a bump to get you back on your turn. Its still your move but as you can see, I know my Bleach
@pierpat: just to place it out there since we are talking about it. What makes you think your team isnt under Suigetsu anyways. Since we are in character and all
@pierpat: you still there?
Since Im waiting, I thought I would state the obvious with Magneto's shield and wait for a bump. Im assuming Mags is tanking an uber Dazzler array of lasers. This still doesnt get anywhere near the heat of the sun
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